JJepsa96 wrote on 21.02.2025 at 15:17: Bayern vs Lederbusen CL .... That would be really bad if Bayern fail there, in a final in their own stadium. The season is already a complete disaster again despite the championship title.
Why bad? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
Rainmann wrote on February 21, 2025 at 5:34 pm:
Why evil? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be taken for granted that Bayern will go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
Wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
Because Bayern think they are the superlatives. Championship is almost always possible, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but they're generally worse than Bayern at the moment. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
Rainmann wrote on February 21, 2025 at 5:34 pm:
Why evil? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern goes far and the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
That's their own claim. And out of the CL round of 16, then against Leverkusen and the final at home.... That's a complete disaster, especially because the double is already gone.
Just being German champions is simply not enough from Bayern's point of view, objectively speaking too.
Double plus minimum CL semi-final is a must every year for the king of Germany.
Because Bayern think they are superlatives. Championship is almost always in it, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but at the moment they are generally worse than Bayern. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
"Because Bayern think they're the superlatives. The championship is almost always in the bag, so it's nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League. Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it? The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the opportunity to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (Was the topic in the other thread;) )
Patizi wrote on 02/21/2025 18:44:
"Because Bayern think they're superlatives. Championship is almost always in it, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League . Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it! The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the chance to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (That was the topic in the other thread )
Btw....would have, would have...bicycle chain.
Nagelsmann was 2 years ago. Certainly not an eternity as you remember it. Nah, it doesn't affect me at all xD But I am of the opinion that he was robbed of the chance to prove himself. I already explained it to you in the other thread: Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. The decision was made too hastily. The situation is different with Sahin: he's out of the DFB Cup, they're not playing for the title in the Bundesliga and they don't think they have much chance in the CL either (they're certainly not the favorites for the title there). A completely different starting situation.
Yes, but the championship is a must for them. It is (almost) a given that they will win it. That's exactly why the season would be negative if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL. When will they have the chance to win the CL at home and celebrate? It's like Germany 2006, was it enough for Germany to finish third at home? By the way: the final has been played in Munich 3 times so far (1993, 1997, 2012). So not often.
"Surely no one will label the season as negative if you don't win the double or the Champions League" That's exactly why Nagelsmann was sacked in the middle of the season xD A season where everything was still open lol. If they had been patient, they would have had a coach for the next 10 years. With Kompany it's very risky and I doubt he'll be allowed to play coach at Bayern for 10 years.
my first thought was that Nuremberg would win in ice hockey, but then I thought hmm, it's going to be tough against Cologne. Then Cologne won after all. The logical is not always the best.
KSC - Magdeburg - Over 1.5 team goals Magdeburg for 1.7
RWE - Ingolstadt - double chance X2 for 1.6
Mainz - Augsburg - Mainz win for 1.80
Wolfsburg - Bochum - win Wolfsburg for 1.60
Plymouth - Cardiff - X for 3.35
Mantova - Bari - X for 3.10
Gijon - Almeira - X for 3.15
Nagelsmann was 2 years ago. Certainly not an eternity as you remember it. Nope, that doesn't affect me at all xD But I am of the opinion that he was robbed of the chance to prove himself. I already explained it to you in the other thread: Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. The decision was made too hastily. The situation is different with Sahin: he's out of the DFB Cup, they're not playing for the title in the Bundesliga and they don't think they have much chance in the CL either (they're certainly not the favorites for the title there). A completely different starting situation.
Yes, but the championship is a must for them. It is (almost) a given that they will win it. That's exactly why the season would be negative if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL. When will they have the chance to win the CL at home and celebrate? It's like Germany 2006, was it enough for Germany to finish third at home? By the way: the final has been played in Munich 3 times so far (1993, 1997, 2012). So not often.
"Surely no one will label the season as negative if you don't win the double or the Champions League" That's exactly why Nagelsmann was sacked in the middle of the season xD A season where everything was still open lol. If they had had patience, they would have had a coach for the next 10 years. With Kompany it's very risky and I doubt he'll be allowed to play coach at Bayern for 10 years.
It's been longer with Nagelsmann than he was even there. Even Nagelsmann doesn't care anymore. 😂In Dortmund, the goal is CL qualification! Nothing else. Many want to become champions. Means that Sahin could still achieve the goals in the league, just like Nagelsmann. In contrast to Bayern, Dortmund don't have to become champions. Winning the CL is theoretically still possible for Dortmund, but that's not the goal either. I think the eighth final was it and from then on just get as far as possible. The starting position you described also applies to the goals.
Incidentally, Bayern are anything but the favorites in the CL and they know that themselves. I think it's quite common when I think about how many cities there are. They have the final every few years. I don't know if any city has had it more often.... And one thing I'm sure of is that most of the players don't care where they win the title.
You don't get it do you? Your love for Nagelsmann in all honor but the guy was only there for 1 1/2 years. The situation was different back then. This season they started without a title, back then they were serial champions. Now it's also about getting back to the top in Germany. After a title-less season, it's simply about winning something again. And soon the DfB Cup will certainly be a huge focus so that it can be won again. This year's championship would be good. Next year maybe a double.
That with Nagelsmann was longer ago than he was even there. Even Nagelsmann isn't itching anymore. 😂In Dortmund the goal is CL qualification! Nothing else. Many want to become champions. Means that Sahin could still achieve the goals in the league, just like Nagelsmann. In contrast to Bayern, Dortmund don't have to become champions. Winning the CL is theoretically still possible for Dortmund, but that's not the goal either. I think the eighth final was it and from then on just get as far as possible. The starting position you described also applies to the goals.
Incidentally, Bayern are anything but the favorites in the CL and they know that themselves. I think it's quite common when I think about how many cities there are. They have the final every few years. I don't know if any city has had it more often.... And one thing I'm sure of is that most of the players don't care where they win the title.
You don't get it do you? Your love for Nagelsmann in all honor but the guy was only there for 1 1/2 years. The situation was different back then. This season they started without a title, back then they were serial champions. Now it's also about getting back to the top in Germany. After a title-less season, it's simply about winning something again. And soon the DfB Cup will certainly be a huge focus so that it can be won again. This year's championship would be good. Next year maybe a double.
So, if I were a Dortmund fan, I would also want the club to aim for the title after 13 years. Whether they win it in the end is another matter, but they should at least have these ambitions. It's the same for me and Juventus. Even though I know they're highly unlikely to become champions, I hope they'll do everything they can right up to the last matchday. Juventus also managed a "remontada" in 2015/16. From 12th place to the title. So you should never give up hope of winning the title and that should always be the main goal.
The difference is that as a Juve fan I've been able to celebrate countless championships anyway and the Dortmund fan doesn't often celebrate the championship. That's another reason why I'm fine with Juventus not being champions in the next 4 years. As far as the CL is concerned, I can honestly answer that I don't see much chance for Juventus at the moment anyway. So I don't care about CL qualification. Juventus should rather take care of a more stable team (and possibly win the championship). The last time Juventus survived a knockout stage was with CR7 against ATM. That was 2019, so they've been shit in the CL for 6 years or 6 seasons. I can save myself the qualification right away. I didn't think they had much chance against PSV. Even when Juve brought in Kolo Muani and he scored 5 goals or so in 3 games, I was skeptical. Even if it had been enough against PSV, it would have been over against Inter/Arsenal anyway (even if they won against Inter in the league). Anyone who saw the 2nd half PSV-Juve will understand why Juventus are currently not a top team.
I never wrote that Bayern is the CL favorite, but that they are striving for the CL title and BVB is not a favorite. CL favorites are the usual clubs like RM, Barcelona, Liverpool or Arsenal.
I have no love for Nagelsmann. Objectively speaking, he's doing a good job (you can also see it in the national team) and nobody deserves to be chased off the pitch like this. I would have continued to criticize this decision even if it had been Simeone instead, who I don't like for his defensive soccer.
Donnie wrote on 22.02.2025 at 12:08: Hopefully this dirty mafia club Juventus Turin will never be champions again
Don't worry, it won't happen in the coming years with this cucumber squad xD Vlahovic is completely demotivated because he sees that Juve have brought in replacements and they are also performing. They lack real players who give their all. Chiellini and Bonucci (who is not even liked by many Juve fans because of his manner) will be sorely missed. Apart from Kolo Muani, only the goalkeeper (Di Gregorio) is the best transfer they've made.
But re. Mafia... the others are certainly no better than Juve xD Whether it's Torino or Milan, they all have dirt on them somewhere.
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Why bad? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
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Because Bayern think they are the superlatives. Championship is almost always possible, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but they're generally worse than Bayern at the moment. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
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That's their own claim. And out of the CL round of 16, then against Leverkusen and the final at home.... That's a complete disaster, especially because the double is already gone.
Just being German champions is simply not enough from Bayern's point of view, objectively speaking too.
Double plus minimum CL semi-final is a must every year for the king of Germany.
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"Because Bayern think they're the superlatives. The championship is almost always in the bag, so it's nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League. Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it? The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the opportunity to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (Was the topic in the other thread;) )
Btw....would have, would have...bicycle chain.
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Nagelsmann was 2 years ago. Certainly not an eternity as you remember it. Nah, it doesn't affect me at all xD But I am of the opinion that he was robbed of the chance to prove himself. I already explained it to you in the other thread: Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. The decision was made too hastily. The situation is different with Sahin: he's out of the DFB Cup, they're not playing for the title in the Bundesliga and they don't think they have much chance in the CL either (they're certainly not the favorites for the title there). A completely different starting situation.
Yes, but the championship is a must for them. It is (almost) a given that they will win it. That's exactly why the season would be negative if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL. When will they have the chance to win the CL at home and celebrate? It's like Germany 2006, was it enough for Germany to finish third at home? By the way: the final has been played in Munich 3 times so far (1993, 1997, 2012). So not often.
"Surely no one will label the season as negative if you don't win the double or the Champions League" That's exactly why Nagelsmann was sacked in the middle of the season xD A season where everything was still open lol. If they had been patient, they would have had a coach for the next 10 years. With Kompany it's very risky and I doubt he'll be allowed to play coach at Bayern for 10 years.
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i saw the 0:0 last day, when leverkusen were clearly better than dusel bayern
the form curve of bayern is rather going down.
if they become champions again early, they won't win anything anyway.
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bayern are on the decline.
Alonso wants to show his old employers what he's learned and is therefore the more serious opponent for the madridistas
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KSC - Magdeburg - Over 1.5 team goals Magdeburg for 1.7
RWE - Ingolstadt - double chance X2 for 1.6
Mainz - Augsburg - Mainz win for 1.80
Wolfsburg - Bochum - win Wolfsburg for 1.60
Plymouth - Cardiff - X for 3.35
Mantova - Bari - X for 3.10
Gijon - Almeira - X for 3.15
Clear 7/7
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It's been longer with Nagelsmann than he was even there. Even Nagelsmann doesn't care anymore. 😂In Dortmund, the goal is CL qualification! Nothing else. Many want to become champions. Means that Sahin could still achieve the goals in the league, just like Nagelsmann. In contrast to Bayern, Dortmund don't have to become champions. Winning the CL is theoretically still possible for Dortmund, but that's not the goal either. I think the eighth final was it and from then on just get as far as possible. The starting position you described also applies to the goals.
Incidentally, Bayern are anything but the favorites in the CL and they know that themselves. I think it's quite common when I think about how many cities there are. They have the final every few years. I don't know if any city has had it more often.... And one thing I'm sure of is that most of the players don't care where they win the title.
You don't get it do you? Your love for Nagelsmann in all honor but the guy was only there for 1 1/2 years. The situation was different back then. This season they started without a title, back then they were serial champions. Now it's also about getting back to the top in Germany. After a title-less season, it's simply about winning something again. And soon the DfB Cup will certainly be a huge focus so that it can be won again. This year's championship would be good. Next year maybe a double.
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I go with the Tip, the odds have value from my point of view, plus I like the kind of soccer Magdeburg plays.
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So, if I were a Dortmund fan, I would also want the club to aim for the title after 13 years. Whether they win it in the end is another matter, but they should at least have these ambitions. It's the same for me and Juventus. Even though I know they're highly unlikely to become champions, I hope they'll do everything they can right up to the last matchday. Juventus also managed a "remontada" in 2015/16. From 12th place to the title. So you should never give up hope of winning the title and that should always be the main goal.
The difference is that as a Juve fan I've been able to celebrate countless championships anyway and the Dortmund fan doesn't often celebrate the championship. That's another reason why I'm fine with Juventus not being champions in the next 4 years. As far as the CL is concerned, I can honestly answer that I don't see much chance for Juventus at the moment anyway. So I don't care about CL qualification. Juventus should rather take care of a more stable team (and possibly win the championship). The last time Juventus survived a knockout stage was with CR7 against ATM. That was 2019, so they've been shit in the CL for 6 years or 6 seasons. I can save myself the qualification right away. I didn't think they had much chance against PSV. Even when Juve brought in Kolo Muani and he scored 5 goals or so in 3 games, I was skeptical. Even if it had been enough against PSV, it would have been over against Inter/Arsenal anyway (even if they won against Inter in the league). Anyone who saw the 2nd half PSV-Juve will understand why Juventus are currently not a top team.
I never wrote that Bayern is the CL favorite, but that they are striving for the CL title and BVB is not a favorite. CL favorites are the usual clubs like RM, Barcelona, Liverpool or Arsenal.
I have no love for Nagelsmann. Objectively speaking, he's doing a good job (you can also see it in the national team) and nobody deserves to be chased off the pitch like this. I would have continued to criticize this decision even if it had been Simeone instead, who I don't like for his defensive soccer.
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Don't worry, it won't happen in the coming years with this cucumber squad xD Vlahovic is completely demotivated because he sees that Juve have brought in replacements and they are also performing. They lack real players who give their all. Chiellini and Bonucci (who is not even liked by many Juve fans because of his manner) will be sorely missed. Apart from Kolo Muani, only the goalkeeper (Di Gregorio) is the best transfer they've made.
But re. Mafia... the others are certainly no better than Juve xD Whether it's Torino or Milan, they all have dirt on them somewhere.
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