JJepsa96 wrote on 21.02.2025 at 15:17: Bayern vs Lederbusen CL .... That would be really bad if Bayern fail there, in a final in their own stadium. The season is already a complete disaster again despite the championship title.
Why bad? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
Rainmann wrote on February 21, 2025 at 5:34 pm:
Why evil? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be taken for granted that Bayern will go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
Wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
Because Bayern think they are the superlatives. Championship is almost always possible, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but they're generally worse than Bayern at the moment. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
Rainmann wrote on February 21, 2025 at 5:34 pm:
Why evil? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern goes far and the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
That's their own claim. And out of the CL round of 16, then against Leverkusen and the final at home.... That's a complete disaster, especially because the double is already gone.
Just being German champions is simply not enough from Bayern's point of view, objectively speaking too.
Double plus minimum CL semi-final is a must every year for the king of Germany.
Because Bayern think they are superlatives. Championship is almost always in it, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but at the moment they are generally worse than Bayern. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
"Because Bayern think they're the superlatives. The championship is almost always in the bag, so it's nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League. Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it? The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the opportunity to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (Was the topic in the other thread;) )
Patizi wrote on 02/21/2025 18:44:
"Because Bayern think they're superlatives. Championship is almost always in it, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League . Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it! The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the chance to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (That was the topic in the other thread )
Btw....would have, would have...bicycle chain.
Nagelsmann was 2 years ago. Certainly not an eternity as you remember it. Nah, it doesn't affect me at all xD But I am of the opinion that he was robbed of the chance to prove himself. I already explained it to you in the other thread: Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. The decision was made too hastily. The situation is different with Sahin: he's out of the DFB Cup, they're not playing for the title in the Bundesliga and they don't think they have much chance in the CL either (they're certainly not the favorites for the title there). A completely different starting situation.
Yes, but the championship is a must for them. It is (almost) a given that they will win it. That's exactly why the season would be negative if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL. When will they have the chance to win the CL at home and celebrate? It's like Germany 2006, was it enough for Germany to finish third at home? By the way: the final has been played in Munich 3 times so far (1993, 1997, 2012). So not often.
"Surely no one will label the season as negative if you don't win the double or the Champions League" That's exactly why Nagelsmann was sacked in the middle of the season xD A season where everything was still open lol. If they had been patient, they would have had a coach for the next 10 years. With Kompany it's very risky and I doubt he'll be allowed to play coach at Bayern for 10 years.
my first thought was that Nuremberg would win in ice hockey, but then I thought hmm, it's going to be tough against Cologne. Then Cologne won after all. The logical is not always the best.
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Mainz - Augsburg - Mainz win for 1.80
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Why bad? This is the Champions League. That's where the best meet the best. I don't always understand why it should be so self-evident that Bayern go far and then the season is bad if they "only" become champions.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Leverkusen went further as they are currently playing better than Bayern
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Because Bayern think they are the superlatives. Championship is almost always possible, so nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row. They have to win at least a double or the CL so that the season is not negative.
They might play better (you can have different opinions on that), but they're generally worse than Bayern at the moment. The table shows it.
It would also be an unpleasant experience if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL despite hosting the CL final.
You can already see how they dealt with Nagelsmann. The guy still had everything open and was kicked out because they weren't happy with the league results. It almost cost them the championship. In a more competitive league, they wouldn't have won the safe.
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That's their own claim. And out of the CL round of 16, then against Leverkusen and the final at home.... That's a complete disaster, especially because the double is already gone.
Just being German champions is simply not enough from Bayern's point of view, objectively speaking too.
Double plus minimum CL semi-final is a must every year for the king of Germany.
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"Because Bayern think they're the superlatives. The championship is almost always in the bag, so it's nothing special. No wonder after 11 championships in a row."
You just explained it yourself why they're even allowed to. They are the superlatives in Germany! I think the first thing is to win another title and above all to show Germany that they are still number one. I'm sure nobody will label the season as negative if they don't win the double or the Champions League. Incidentally, the one implies the other
When was that with Nagelsmann? That was ages ago, wasn't it? The Nagelsmann thing seems to affect you more than Nagelsmann himself. In fact, it didn't cost Bayern the championship. Nuri Sahin also had the opportunity to win the CL and finish in the Bundesliga. By the way, we don't know how it would have ended. (Was the topic in the other thread;) )
Btw....would have, would have...bicycle chain.
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Nagelsmann was 2 years ago. Certainly not an eternity as you remember it. Nah, it doesn't affect me at all xD But I am of the opinion that he was robbed of the chance to prove himself. I already explained it to you in the other thread: Nagelsmann was still in all 3 competitions. The decision was made too hastily. The situation is different with Sahin: he's out of the DFB Cup, they're not playing for the title in the Bundesliga and they don't think they have much chance in the CL either (they're certainly not the favorites for the title there). A completely different starting situation.
Yes, but the championship is a must for them. It is (almost) a given that they will win it. That's exactly why the season would be negative if they were knocked out in the round of 16 of the CL. When will they have the chance to win the CL at home and celebrate? It's like Germany 2006, was it enough for Germany to finish third at home? By the way: the final has been played in Munich 3 times so far (1993, 1997, 2012). So not often.
"Surely no one will label the season as negative if you don't win the double or the Champions League" That's exactly why Nagelsmann was sacked in the middle of the season xD A season where everything was still open lol. If they had been patient, they would have had a coach for the next 10 years. With Kompany it's very risky and I doubt he'll be allowed to play coach at Bayern for 10 years.
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i saw the 0:0 last day, when leverkusen were clearly better than dusel bayern
the form curve of bayern is rather going down.
if they become champions again early, they won't win anything anyway.
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bayern are on the decline.
Alonso wants to show his old employers what he's learned and is therefore the more serious opponent for the madridistas
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KSC - Magdeburg - Over 1.5 team goals Magdeburg for 1.7
RWE - Ingolstadt - double chance X2 for 1.6
Mainz - Augsburg - Mainz win for 1.80
Wolfsburg - Bochum - win Wolfsburg for 1.60
Plymouth - Cardiff - X for 3.35
Mantova - Bari - X for 3.10
Gijon - Almeira - X for 3.15
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