Stromberg wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 10:21 am:
Then the double margin destroys any value and then the math alone destroys this model...
Exactly....the margin is the decisive point that makes virtually every cashout mathematically unprofitable, even if, of course, you make a win on the bottom line with this bet through the cashout. If you do this because you are hectic or uncertain, the world will definitely not come to an end. The more often you use the cashout function, the more persistently it will eat away at your balance sheet. A side note: if you have finally decided not to let a bet go through, an additional bet on the opposite outcome to the original Tip is always more lucrative than the cashout if there is only one outstanding result. Saves a few percent because the bookmaker's commission for the cashout does not apply.
Langhans_innen wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 11:07 am:
Exactly....the margin is the crucial point that makes virtually every cashout mathematically unprofitable, even if, of course, you make a win on the bottom line with this bet through the cashout. If you do this because you are hectic or uncertain, the world will definitely not come to an end. The more often you use the cashout function, the more persistently it will eat away at your balance sheet. A side note: if you have finally decided not to let a bet go through, an additional bet on the opposite outcome to the original Tip is always more lucrative than the cashout if there is only one outstanding result. Saves a few percent because the bookmaker's commission for the cashout does not apply.
I am aware that this is sometimes the better option.
On the other hand, with large combos and possible wins, you just have to be willing to Deposit extra if you don't have any funds to back it up.
With a bonus, it's better to deposit elsewhere, as betting on opposing outcomes is usually prohibited.
Well, we've had this discussion hundreds of times here, everyone just has to see what works best for them... I'll try the variant described...
Langhans_innen wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 11:07 am:
Exactly....the margin is the crucial point that makes virtually every cashout mathematically unprofitable, even if, of course, you make a win on the bottom line with this bet through the cashout. If you do this because you are hectic or uncertain, the world will definitely not come to an end. The more often you use the cashout function, the more persistently it will eat away at your balance sheet. A side note: if you have finally decided not to let a bet go through, an additional bet on the opposite outcome to the original Tip is always more lucrative than the cashout if there is only one outstanding result. Saves a few percent because the bookmaker's commission for the cashout does not apply.
However, the counter bet is difficult with higher winnings. With a possible win of EUR 500, you would have to place a single bet of EUR 250, for example, with 2.0 in the example.
I was / am also an avowed opponent of cashouts, but without being able to prove it, I think that would have been better this year. Just like last year, so many games were lost in injury time this year - cashout would have saved them all.
Stromberg wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 11:27 am:
I am aware that this is partly the better option yes.
On the other hand, with large combos and possible wins, you have to be willing to Deposit extra if you don't have any credit on it right now to hedge.
With a bonus, it's better to deposit elsewhere, as betting on opposing outcomes is usually prohibited.
Well, we've already had this discussion hundreds of times here, everyone just has to see what works best for them... I'll try the variant described...
Without having funds available to be able to react immediately to such situations, it will of course be bumpy if such maneuvers are carried out at short notice Depositing with a bonus and covering different tendencies of the identical game with one and the same Provider is prohibited...that's true. But it is of course legitimate to use such matchbetting strategies with several different providers. Even if you use several sites with only one provider without a bonus or without using special promotions such as boosters etc., this is not a problem. If Meier plays against Müller: I need Meier but get cold feet, I bet on Müller instead of cashing out - often with the same provider...depending on whether they have the best odds at the time. That's not forbidden. But only possible with real money.
Butterbrezel wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 11:30 am:
The counter bet is difficult with higher winnings. With a possible win of EUR 500, you would have to place a single bet of EUR 250, for example, with 2.0 in the example. You will certainly quickly reach the limits with DE providers.
You're right about the limits, of course, but I just assumed that the cross-section of us doesn't exactly deal with winnings of €500/bet. I certainly don't Those who do have accounts with unlicensed providers where bets of €250 or more don't bother anyone. I think such situations are a rarity, at least in our country...At Xoony "back in the day" it certainly happened more often
Langhans_innen wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 11:48 am:
You're right about the limits, of course, but I just assumed that the cross-section of us don't exactly handle winnings of €500/bet. I certainly don't Those who do have accounts with unlicensed providers where bets of €250 or more don't bother anyone. I think such situations are a rarity, at least in our country...At Xoony "back in the day" it certainly happened more often
Yes, but even with small bets and a large combination, the stake has to be quite high...
I once bet on all 8 CL games, over 2.5 all.
20€ bet and 1000 win pretty much exactly.
Only one goal was missing at bvb, from minute 68 or so.
I then took a cashout of around €550, luckily the goal didn't come😂
No idea what the odds were for the under 2.5, but it was probably around 2 plus minus... So to make the €500 win from the cashout, I had to bet around €500...
I hope I've got this right... This is the example I remember best...
So the first cashout was already a flop😄
4-way combo:
Philippines Fussbalk over 3,5 HZ
Australia Basketball Women over 79,5 HZ
South Korea men's basketball over 79.5 HZ
South Korea Women Basketball over 63,5 HZ
10€ odds 11
In the end, only the women's game South Korea was still open, cashout at 92€ which is 88 percent...
And since the girls in the league often start to do each other's hair or something else, but suddenly don't feel like shooting baskets anymore > cashout.
This time it was different unfortunately and they scored 7 points in 45 seconds😄
So 18€ not won, I'll call it....
Stromberg wrote on 13.11.2024 at 11:52 am:
Yes but even with small bets and a large station wagon, the bet must then be quite high in proportion....
I once bet on all 8 CL games, over 2.5 all.
20€ bet and 1000 win pretty much exactly.
Only one goal was missing at bvb, from minute 68 or so.
I then took a cashout of around €550, luckily the goal didn't come😂
No idea what the odds were for the under 2.5, but it was probably around 2 plus minus... So to make the €500 win from the cashout, I had to bet around €500...
I hope I've got this right... This is the example I remember best...
yes, but....Stromi. You are completely correct Such extreme examples with X50 * bet 20€ are of course also...unfortunately far too rare I can no longer reconstruct the exact odds at the time of your cashout, but it is almost certain that the bet amount required for the counter bet to achieve the winning amount of 1,000€ in the end in both cases was smaller than the "loss" (in this case 1,000 - 550 = 450€) that you generated through the cashout. I would estimate that you could have saved around €50 with a corresponding counter bet. That's probably about the same ratio (keyword bookmaker commission for the cashout...let it have been 10% )
Langhans_innen wrote on November 13th, 2024 at 12:12 pm:
yes, yes....Stromi. You are completely correct Such extreme examples with X50 * bet 20€ are of course also...unfortunately far too rare I can no longer reconstruct the exact odds at the time of your cashout, but it is almost certain that the bet amount required for the counter bet to achieve the winning amount of 1,000€ in both cases was smaller than the "loss" (in this case 1,000 - 550 = 450€) that you generated through the cashout. I would estimate that you could have saved around €50 with a corresponding counter bet. That's probably about the same ratio (keyword bookmaker commission for the cashout...let it have been 10% )
Yes somehow like that... Were probably not exactly 1000€ and not exactly 550 cashout...
Enormous, however, how you can be happy about a goal not falling. Even at 1:1 and as a BVB fan😄
Olli_Eule wrote on 13.11.2024 at 12:55 pm: Golden state Warriors always led by 4 to 5 points throughout the game. Suddenly with 5 minutes to go Dallas leads 112 to 105.
Odds were already 6.7 for golden state to win.
I thought it was over 🐭 🐭 🐭 🐁
And in the end, golden state Warriors won after all
And your finger was probably already on the cash out button again 😁
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Just opted for a "safety variant". All games over 0.5 goals. Was a good 2 odds with 10€.
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If you had put in the Phoenix Suns you would have been at 3-4 😁
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Exactly....the margin is the decisive point that makes virtually every cashout mathematically unprofitable, even if, of course, you make a win on the bottom line with this bet through the cashout. If you do this because you are hectic or uncertain, the world will definitely not come to an end. The more often you use the cashout function, the more persistently it will eat away at your balance sheet. A side note: if you have finally decided not to let a bet go through, an additional bet on the opposite outcome to the original Tip is always more lucrative than the cashout if there is only one outstanding result. Saves a few percent because the bookmaker's commission for the cashout does not apply.
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I am aware that this is sometimes the better option.
On the other hand, with large combos and possible wins, you just have to be willing to Deposit extra if you don't have any funds to back it up.
With a bonus, it's better to deposit elsewhere, as betting on opposing outcomes is usually prohibited.
Well, we've had this discussion hundreds of times here, everyone just has to see what works best for them... I'll try the variant described...
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However, the counter bet is difficult with higher winnings. With a possible win of EUR 500, you would have to place a single bet of EUR 250, for example, with 2.0 in the example.
I was / am also an avowed opponent of cashouts, but without being able to prove it, I think that would have been better this year. Just like last year, so many games were lost in injury time this year - cashout would have saved them all.
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Without having funds available to be able to react immediately to such situations, it will of course be bumpy if such maneuvers are carried out at short notice Depositing with a bonus and covering different tendencies of the identical game with one and the same Provider is prohibited...that's true. But it is of course legitimate to use such matchbetting strategies with several different providers. Even if you use several sites with only one provider without a bonus or without using special promotions such as boosters etc., this is not a problem. If Meier plays against Müller: I need Meier but get cold feet, I bet on Müller instead of cashing out - often with the same provider...depending on whether they have the best odds at the time. That's not forbidden. But only possible with real money.
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You're right about the limits, of course, but I just assumed that the cross-section of us doesn't exactly deal with winnings of €500/bet. I certainly don't Those who do have accounts with unlicensed providers where bets of €250 or more don't bother anyone. I think such situations are a rarity, at least in our country...At Xoony "back in the day" it certainly happened more often
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Yes, but even with small bets and a large combination, the stake has to be quite high...
I once bet on all 8 CL games, over 2.5 all.
20€ bet and 1000 win pretty much exactly.
Only one goal was missing at bvb, from minute 68 or so.
I then took a cashout of around €550, luckily the goal didn't come😂
No idea what the odds were for the under 2.5, but it was probably around 2 plus minus... So to make the €500 win from the cashout, I had to bet around €500...
I hope I've got this right... This is the example I remember best...
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4-way combo:
Philippines Fussbalk over 3,5 HZ
Australia Basketball Women over 79,5 HZ
South Korea men's basketball over 79.5 HZ
South Korea Women Basketball over 63,5 HZ
10€ odds 11
In the end, only the women's game South Korea was still open, cashout at 92€ which is 88 percent...
And since the girls in the league often start to do each other's hair or something else, but suddenly don't feel like shooting baskets anymore > cashout.
This time it was different unfortunately and they scored 7 points in 45 seconds😄
So 18€ not won, I'll call it....
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yes, but....Stromi. You are completely correct Such extreme examples with X50 * bet 20€ are of course also...unfortunately far too rare I can no longer reconstruct the exact odds at the time of your cashout, but it is almost certain that the bet amount required for the counter bet to achieve the winning amount of 1,000€ in the end in both cases was smaller than the "loss" (in this case 1,000 - 550 = 450€) that you generated through the cashout. I would estimate that you could have saved around €50 with a corresponding counter bet. That's probably about the same ratio (keyword bookmaker commission for the cashout...let it have been 10% )
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Yes somehow like that... Were probably not exactly 1000€ and not exactly 550 cashout...
Enormous, however, how you can be happy about a goal not falling. Even at 1:1 and as a BVB fan😄
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Odds were already 6.7 for golden state to win.
I thought it was over 🐭 🐭 🐭 🐁
And in the end, golden state Warriors won after all
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And your finger was probably already on the cash out button again 😁
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Nope is only 2nd game in the combo.
Too bad I didn't include Seattle kraken wins in the combo, I wanted to do that first
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Yes, you're always much smarter afterwards 🤷
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