Butterbrezel wrote on 17.08.2024 at 10:48 am:
With and without Stuttgart glasses, the strong 4.4 odds for Stuttgart are the better choice. The games in the previous season were 3 x close and you must not forget that there was a lot of refereeing incompetence for Leverkusen in the cup defeat and the 2:2 in the league.
We are at the beginning of the season and Stuttgart are definitely not that far behind. I reckon the game is more like 60/40 for Leverkusen with a tendency towards 50/50. The only big difference is the absence of Guirassy. But with Demirovic and Diehl there are 2 new players who bring different qualities in the offense, Silas in the test games also in top form.
The referee is Stieler, I think (but I'm not sure now) that he lets things go relatively often / doesn't whistle pettily, right?
That plays into the hands of both teams and also an over-goal bet.
I think the over 3.5 is also playable for 2.3, but I'll emphasize my over 1.5 team goals here again as an absolute bank bet.
Well, Stuttgart are also going in with a better feeling, aren't they? The preparation went better than for Leverkusen, even if that doesn't say much. But in my opinion they have more self-confidence at the moment!
You didn't mention Undav, now that he's allowed to be there permanently, he's really up for it 🔥
Butterbrezel wrote on 17.08.2024 at 10:48 am:
With and without Stuttgart glasses, the strong 4.4 odds for Stuttgart are the better choice. The games in the previous season were 3 x close and you must not forget that there was a lot of refereeing incompetence for Leverkusen in the cup defeat and the 2-2 in the league.
We are at the beginning of the season and Stuttgart are definitely not that far behind. I reckon the game is more like 60/40 for Leverkusen with a tendency towards 50/50. The only big difference is the absence of Guirassy. But with Demirovic and Diehl there are 2 new players who bring different qualities in the offense, Silas in the test games also in top form.
The referee is Stieler, I think (but I'm not sure now) that he lets the ball go relatively often / doesn't whistle petty, right?
That plays into the hands of both teams and also an over-goal bet.
I also think the over 3.5 is playable for 2.3, but I'll emphasize my over 1.5 team goals as an absolute bank bet.
A question for you as a Stuttgart player in relation to a manager game.
Do you think Sivas will be in the starting eleven?
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TennisFreak wrote on 17.08.2024 at 10:52 am:
Yes because the small tournaments Fognini plays are often on clay and that absolutely suits him. So only when he plays on clay on him! 😂 But he could play on the big tour more often. I don't know why he plays so many Challengers. He won the Munich ATP once
It's probably because of his age that he's now playing more at Challenger level. At 37, his performance isn't getting any better and you can tell from his results.
P.s: Congratulations on the Fernandez Tip, I didn't expect it to be so clear. Did you see the game? Did shnaider play badly or was Fernandez just too good yesterday?
A question for you as a Stuttgart player, in relation to a manager game.
Do you think Sivas will be set for the starting eleven?
I can't really say for sure before the first competitive game. Silas is also a super joker with his speed. But he was also in great form in the test matches. 50 / 50 chances, but tends not to be in the starting eleven.
For manager games I would recommend Justin Diehl. He's not expensive yet and I think he'll escalate this season.
TennisFreak wrote on 17.08.2024 at 10:56 am:
Well Stuttgart are going in with a better feeling too aren't they? The preparation went better than Leverkusen even if that doesn't say much. But in my opinion they have more self-confidence at the moment!
You didn't mention Undav, now that he's allowed to be there permanently, he's really up for it 🔥
Yes, but I didn't mention him because he was already there last season.
Stuttgart's form is great, the atmosphere is great, but the opponent is the German champions. As I said, I'm expecting more of a 50/50 game, especially considering the 3 previous head-to-head duels. And I think the odds of 4.4 are far too high for that.
User Patizi sees it differently, but he usually does that against Stuttgart
Will be down to age why he's now competing more at Challenger level. At 37, the performances aren't getting any better, and you can tell by the results.
P.s: Congratulations on the Fernandez Tip, I didn't expect it to be so clear. Did you see the game? Did shnaider play badly or was Fernandez just too good yesterday?
No, unfortunately I didn't see it, just followed the result in passing. I was watching Badosa at the time... But Shnaider was already leading by a break in the second set, so I was briefly worried that it was going the other way. But Fernandez broke back and then there was nothing left for Shnaider.
Butterbrezel wrote on August 17th, 2024 at 11:15 am:
Yes, but I didn't mention him now because he was already there last season.
Stuttgart's form is great, the atmosphere is great, but the opponent is the German champion. As I said, I'm expecting more of a 50/50 game, especially considering the 3 previous head-to-head duels. And I think the odds of 4.4 are far too high for that.
User Patizi sees it differently, but he usually does that against Stuttgart
Butterbrezel wrote on August 17th, 2024 at 11:10 am:
I can't really say for sure before the first competitive game. Silas is also a super joker with his speed. But also in great form in the test matches. 50 / 50 chances, but tends not to be in the starting eleven.
For manager games I would recommend Justin Diehl. He's not expensive yet and I think he'll escalate this season.
Okay, thanks.
But Diehl also has strong competition, doesn't he?
These are almost luxury problems at VFB😄
Butterbrezel wrote on August 17th, 2024 at 11:15 am:
Yes, but I didn't mention him now because he was already there last season.
Stuttgart's form is great, the atmosphere is great, but the opponent is the German champion. As I said, I'm expecting more of a 50/50 game, especially considering the 3 previous head-to-head duels. And I think the odds of 4.4 are far too high for that.
User Patizi sees it differently, but he usually does that against Stuttgart
50/50 is really exaggerated, isn't it? Leverkusen squad has hardly changed. The starting eleven is the same as last season. To be honest, that's 65/35 or 60/40 for me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong tonight 😉
I don't know why people are hyping Stuttgart so much!
They've played a dream season by their standards that can't even come close to being repeated with this squad!
I'm already predicting that Stuttgart will have nothing to do with the Champions League, maybe a maximum of 5th place in the table, but I don't really see even that.
Leverkusen win today 80 % to 20 % .
Not to forget, home game for Leverkusen and squad, coach extremely better than Stuttgart!
Safe bet Leverkusen win and a total of over 2.5 goals .
Don't want to offend any Stuttgart fan here, just writing my opinion and am happy to bet with someone 😉 to add a bit of excitement!
But Diehl also has strong competition, right?
These are almost luxury problems at VFB😄
Diehl has talent but is still a bit too green behind the ears ... Führich is probably ahead of him. Silas is slowly getting back to the old Silas of 2 years ago and should be in the starting eleven.
But I think Undav will only come off the bench for now as he's not 100% fit yet.
I think it will be a 55 to 45 game in favor of Leverkusen. Leverkusen have been rather so-so in the games so far, whereas VfB have won everything. Nevertheless, I think you can look forward to a cool game like all the duels between the two last year.
Blubbo33 wrote on 17.08.2024 at 12:54: I don't know why Stuttgart is being hyped like this!
They have played a dream season by their standards that is nowhere near repeatable with this squad !
I already predict that Stuttgart will have nothing to do with the Champions League maybe a maximum of 5th place in the table but even that I don't really see.
Leverkusen win today 80 % to 20 % .
Not to forget, home game for Leverkusen and squad, coach extremely better than Stuttgart!
Safe bet Leverkusen win and a total of over 2.5 goals .
Don't want to offend any Stuttgart fan here, just writing my opinion and am happy to bet with someone 😉 to add a bit of excitement!
Believe me, nobody who is really a VfB fan thinks we'll play another season like the last one 😅 and we'd all take your mentioned 5th place with a kiss😁
I also think Stuttgart will have a harder time, but they have played a very good preparation and I'm also very excited about the Demirovic/Undav duo. In addition, Werder legend Nick Woltemade is now in the team
Andre wrote on 17.08.2024 at 14:13: I also think Stuttgart will have a harder time, but they have played a very decent preparation and I'm also very excited about the Demirovic/Undav duo. Also, Werder legend Nick Woltemade is now in the team
And Nick plays playmaker? According to Sofascore, he's in the line-up like this
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I had thought about playing x2 as well but it was only 1.58 odds, well, out the mouse
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Well, Stuttgart are also going in with a better feeling, aren't they? The preparation went better than for Leverkusen, even if that doesn't say much. But in my opinion they have more self-confidence at the moment!
You didn't mention Undav, now that he's allowed to be there permanently, he's really up for it 🔥
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A question for you as a Stuttgart player in relation to a manager game.
Do you think Sivas will be in the starting eleven?
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It's probably because of his age that he's now playing more at Challenger level. At 37, his performance isn't getting any better and you can tell from his results.
P.s: Congratulations on the Fernandez Tip, I didn't expect it to be so clear. Did you see the game? Did shnaider play badly or was Fernandez just too good yesterday?
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I can't really say for sure before the first competitive game. Silas is also a super joker with his speed. But he was also in great form in the test matches. 50 / 50 chances, but tends not to be in the starting eleven.
For manager games I would recommend Justin Diehl. He's not expensive yet and I think he'll escalate this season.
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Yes, but I didn't mention him because he was already there last season.
Stuttgart's form is great, the atmosphere is great, but the opponent is the German champions. As I said, I'm expecting more of a 50/50 game, especially considering the 3 previous head-to-head duels. And I think the odds of 4.4 are far too high for that.
User Patizi sees it differently, but he usually does that against Stuttgart
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No, unfortunately I didn't see it, just followed the result in passing. I was watching Badosa at the time... But Shnaider was already leading by a break in the second set, so I was briefly worried that it was going the other way. But Fernandez broke back and then there was nothing left for Shnaider.
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On Bet365 even 4.75
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Okay, thanks.
But Diehl also has strong competition, doesn't he?
These are almost luxury problems at VFB😄
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50/50 is really exaggerated, isn't it? Leverkusen squad has hardly changed. The starting eleven is the same as last season. To be honest, that's 65/35 or 60/40 for me, but I'm happy to be proven wrong tonight 😉
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They've played a dream season by their standards that can't even come close to being repeated with this squad!
I'm already predicting that Stuttgart will have nothing to do with the Champions League, maybe a maximum of 5th place in the table, but I don't really see even that.
Leverkusen win today 80 % to 20 % .
Not to forget, home game for Leverkusen and squad, coach extremely better than Stuttgart!
Safe bet Leverkusen win and a total of over 2.5 goals .
Don't want to offend any Stuttgart fan here, just writing my opinion and am happy to bet with someone 😉 to add a bit of excitement!
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Diehl has talent but is still a bit too green behind the ears ... Führich is probably ahead of him. Silas is slowly getting back to the old Silas of 2 years ago and should be in the starting eleven.
But I think Undav will only come off the bench for now as he's not 100% fit yet.
I think it will be a 55 to 45 game in favor of Leverkusen. Leverkusen have been rather so-so in the games so far, whereas VfB have won everything. Nevertheless, I think you can look forward to a cool game like all the duels between the two last year.
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Believe me, nobody who is really a VfB fan thinks we'll play another season like the last one 😅 and we'd all take your mentioned 5th place with a kiss😁
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And Nick plays playmaker? According to Sofascore, he's in the line-up like this
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I had thought about playing x2 as well but it was only 1.58 odds, well, out the mouse
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