Italy European champions! And then they failed to qualify for the World Cup. Wasn't that the case?
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It was a miracle for Italy, there's no other way to explain their triumph. It was a gift from God for Gianluca Vialli, who sadly died a year later. Italy only played strongly in the group stage. In the knockout phase, they were rather shaky and did not remain consistent.
Round of 16 against Austria: Arnautorvic doesn't score the 1-0 in almost the 70th minute because of 1-2cm. Austria hardly gave Italy any space in the first 90 minutes. They shivered their way into extra time and then won the game with individual players (Chiesa).
Quarter-final against Belgium: first half played very well, 2nd half was poor. If Belgium had had a Mbappe instead of Lukaku, Italy would have scored at least 2 goals in this half.
Semi-final against Spain: Italy were completely outclassed, hardly any possession, hardly any scoring chances (believe first scoring chance only came just before half time). Then, thanks to the class of a single player (Chiesa), they scored the 1-0 and Morata equalized. In extra time only Spain played and penalties are a lottery.
Final: you get a goal in the 2nd minute and because England played so defensively, Italy got more space here. If they had continued to play offensively, the English would have taken the trophy back to England.
So much for the European Championship triumph. Italy only impressed in qualifying and the group stage. Otherwise it was a lot of luck.
Then, in the World Cup qualifiers, they had Switzerland and Italy had morons like Jorginho who thought they had dribbled the system. Sommer had seen through Jorginho's trick and was able to save TWO penalties in the first and second leg. Yes, the guy scored a penalty in his "way" in the first leg and cost Italy the win and because his ego was bruised, he took the ball again in the second leg and scored the penalty again so stupidly. That was the reason why Italy didn't qualify directly. Not Jorginho, but because nobody stopped the idiot. Back then, the captain should have taken the ball away from Jorginho. But because nobody wanted to shoot, they let him shoot. That took the responsibility off them. In the play-offs, they would have had to play Portugal in the final (mega bad luck here) and, with all due respect, Portugal would have won easily. Fortunately, Italy spared themselves this embarrassment.
It was a miracle for Italy, there's no other way to explain their triumph. It was a gift from God and that for Gianluca Vialli, who unfortunately died 1 year later. Italy only played strongly in the group stage. In the knockout phase, they were rather shaky and did not remain consistent.
Round of 16 against Austria: Arnautorvic doesn't score the 1-0 in almost the 70th minute because of 1-2cm. Austria hardly gave Italy any space in the first 90 minutes. They shivered their way into extra time and then won the game with individual players (Chiesa).
Quarter-final against Belgium: first half played very well, 2nd half was poor. If Belgium had had a Mbappe instead of Lukaku, Italy would have scored at least 2 goals in this half.
Semi-final against Spain: Italy were completely outclassed, hardly any possession, hardly any scoring chances (believe first scoring chance only came just before half time). Then, thanks to the class of a single player (Chiesa), they scored the 1-0 and Morata equalized. In extra time only Spain played and penalties are a lottery.
Final: you get a goal in the 2nd minute and because England played so defensively, Italy got more space here. If they had continued to play offensively, the English would have taken the trophy back to England.
So much for the European Championship triumph. Italy only impressed in qualifying and in the group stage. Otherwise it was a lot of luck.
Then, in the World Cup qualifiers, they had Switzerland and Italy had morons like Jorginho who thought they had dribbled the system. Sommer had seen through Jorginho's trick and was able to save TWO penalties in the first and second leg. Yes, the guy scored a penalty in his "way" in the first leg and cost Italy the win and because his ego was bruised, he took the ball again in the second leg and scored the penalty again so stupidly. That was the reason why Italy didn't qualify directly. Not Jorginho, but because nobody stopped the idiot. Back then, the captain should have taken the ball away from Jorginho. But because nobody wanted to shoot, they let him shoot. That took the responsibility off them. In the play-offs, they would have had to play Portugal in the final (mega bad luck here) and, with all due respect, Portugal would have won easily. Fortunately, Italy spared themselves this embarrassment.
A lot of would have would have. Whether it would have happened that way is another matter 😉
A lot of would have would have. Whether it would have happened that way is another matter 😉
Take a look at Italy's games at Euro 2020 and you'll see that my post contains the truth. Italy only really impressed in the group stage.
Spain were convincing in every game - they also won all their games at this European Championship - something no team had ever managed before. Name me one game that they won undeservedly and please don't name Germany, because Germany were lucky with the referee at the beginning that he didn't give Kroos at least one yellow card.
Explain to me why Italy hardly did anything after the European Championship triumph. Clearly lost the final against Argentina (0-3), only came 2nd in the World Cup qualifiers, then lost the play-offs against North Macedonia (not even against Portugal, but against North Macedonia). I can help you with the explanation. The bit of "luck" that saved their asses at the 2020 European Championship was missing.
frapi07 wrote on 16.07.2024 at 11:12 am:
Take a look at Italy's games at Euro 2020 and you'll see that my post contains the truth. Italy only really impressed in the group stage.
Spain have been convincing in every game - they've also won all their games at this European Championship - something no other team had managed before. Name me one game that they won undeservedly and please don't name Germany, because Germany were lucky with the referee at the beginning that he didn't give Kroos at least one yellow card.
Explain to me why Italy hardly did anything after the European Championship triumph. Clearly lost the final against Argentina (0-3), only came 2nd in the World Cup qualifiers, then lost the play-offs against North Macedonia (not even against Portugal, but against North Macedonia). I can help you with the explanation. The bit of "luck" that saved their asses at the 2020 European Championship was missing.
I don't understand why you have to question a comment if you hardly provide any counterarguments in the same breath.
Italy were lucky, and as an Italy fan I openly admit that. The results before and after the European Championship underline this. The 2010 and 2014 World Cups were knocked out of the group stage, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups didn't qualify and the 2024 European Championships were knocked out in the round of 16 against Switzerland. Since their World Cup triumph in 2006, Italy have only managed to make it to Euro 2012 and 2020, otherwise they were eliminated in the quarter-finals at the latest (Euro 2008 and 2016).
Funnily enough, soccer is funny, one coach reaches the 2nd final in a row and then quits as coach, while the other coach delivers the worst performance in 70+ years and is allowed to remain coach. That's bella Italia
I don't understand why you have to question a comment if you then provide hardly any counterarguments in the same breath.
Italy were lucky and as an Italy fan I openly admit that. The results before and after the European Championship underline this. The 2010 and 2014 World Cups were knocked out of the group stage, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups didn't qualify and the 2024 European Championships were knocked out in the round of 16 against Switzerland. Since their World Cup triumph in 2006, Italy have only managed to make it to Euro 2012 and 2020, otherwise they were eliminated in the quarter-finals at the latest (Euro 2008 and 2016).
Funnily enough, soccer is funny, one coach reaches the 2nd final in a row and then quits as coach, while the other coach delivers the worst performance in 70+ years and is allowed to remain coach. That's bella Italia
Sometimes yes, no question, but it's clear to see that Italy is not consistent and has only performed well 2/8 tournaments. You can only talk about miracles/luck there, while Spain has been more consistent. In roughly the same time span as Italy, Spain have reached the final 4 times (2008,2010,2012,2024) and the semi-finals 5 times (2008,2010,2012,2020,2024). Spain will also do well at the 2026 World Cup, maybe not win, but certainly not be as bad as Italy after their European Championship success. One of the reasons is that the team is quite young. Yamal 17, Williams 22. They were perhaps the missing piece of the puzzle that they lacked at the last European Championship, because the Spanish team hasn't changed that much. Three years ago they played with almost the same people. I think only Busquets and Alba are missing.
I don't understand why you have to question a comment if you then provide hardly any counterarguments in the same breath.
You immediately come up with the game against Germany where Kroos didn't get the card. Absolutely correct that the card should have been given but then the game would have gone differently for him. He was just lucky that it was so early in the game. I can also say now that if havertz, Wirtz Lücke had taken their chances Spain would have gone down. That's why a lot of would have would have etc. There's no question that they can run the ball, but you could also see in the final that they were very careless with their chances. Yamal could have scored 2 goals we would have to say now. Furthermore, if the England striker had placed his header better at the end, there would probably have been extra time. I didn't really want to write anything more about it, but it was there. 😉 It's nothing against you or anyone else. It's just about that famous would have. 🤙
You immediately come up with the game against Germany where Kroos didn't get the card. Absolutely correct that the card should have been given but then the game would have gone differently for him. He was just lucky that it was so early in the game. I can also say now that if havertz, Wirtz Lücke had taken their chances Spain would have gone down. That's why a lot of would have would have etc. There's no question that they can run the ball, but you could also see in the final that they were very careless with their chances. Yamal could have scored 2 goals we would have to say now. Furthermore, if the England striker had placed his header better at the end, there would probably have been extra time. I didn't really want to write anything more about it, but it was there. 😉 It's nothing against you or anyone else. It's just about that famous would have. 🤙
Right, he might not have fouled Pedri a second time and who knows, maybe Olmo wouldn't have gone in and he scored the 1-0. These are all things where we can't make a 100 percent statement, but if the "could have" in my comment bothers you, then I'm sorry. Please see my other comment, where I explain the facts and no longer refer to the "could have". The fact remains that Italy have not played consistently in recent years and Euro 2020 was an exception that was won with a lot of luck, while Spain have been consistent. That's my point and not the "could have". I wrote the word 3 times or something xD
In the end, soccer is still a sport of results and mistakes. If you make too many, you lose. Footballers are not saints, the hand of God, Henry, etc. have always existed. They are liars and cheats, otherwise there would be no need for a referee. We know it was a handball. Nevertheless, you have to accept what is whistled
Last time I read it here, the European Championship was great. I didn't like it at all. Lame games, far too keen not to lose (third place in the group doesn't exactly make it more attractive), etc.
Before the first game of the European Championship, I watched my greatest club legend Bernard Dietz (captain of 1980 European champions Germany) on TV, with a lot of pride and tears, a great sportsman and person. Then I watch the European Championship. This constant lousy acting on the pitch is so annoying. Rolling on the floor 5 more times for every foul and screaming ouch. It's a joke that they earn so much in any sport except soccer. Add to that the definitely (a couple of) corrupt referees. Where has the sporting spirit and fairness gone? When I play a hand, I'm honest and admit to breaking the rules
PS. It's pretty cool when you're sitting on +3.5 goals with the German women and the 4th goal still comes
Donnie wrote on 16.07.2024 at 21:55: In the end, soccer is still a sport of results and mistakes. If you make too many, you lose. Footballers are not saints, the hand of God, Henry, etc. have always existed. They are liars and cheats, otherwise there would be no need for a referee. We know it was a handball. Nevertheless, you have to accept what is whistled
Last time I read it here, the European Championship was great. I didn't like it at all. Lame games, far too keen not to lose (third place in the group is not exactly conducive to attractiveness), etc.
Before the first game of the European Championship, I watched my greatest club legend Bernard Dietz (captain of 1980 European champions Germany) on TV, with a lot of pride and tears, a great sportsman and person. Then I watch the European Championship. This constant lousy acting on the pitch is so annoying. Rolling on the floor 5 times for every foul and screaming ouch. It's a joke that they earn so much in any sport except soccer. Add to that the definitely (a couple of) corrupt referees. Where has the sporting spirit and fairness gone? When I play a hand, I'm honest and admit to breaking the rules
PS. It's pretty cool when you're sitting on +3.5 goals with the German women and the 4th goal still comes
The problem with the lame games also exists in the CL or in every league when it's David against Goliath. It's usually one-way soccer. It's just been a little more noticeable at this European Championship because some teams have done it that you wouldn't have thought. England and Italy are good examples. Italy lined up defensively against Croatia. The coach wanted to play for a draw. I don't know if that would have happened in the 90s, but I don't think so. But that was exactly the mistake. The same with England. They only woke up when they were behind. Both teams would have needed a different tactical formation. At least Southgate realized it and resigned (or made it look that way, who knows). Italy have the well-known problem that nobody wants to be responsible for their failures and they don't recognize their failures. The Italian coach has also seriously blamed the weather for their elimination in the round of 16. As an Italian and Juve fan, you really have to suffer, I tell you. Spalletti is a good coach, but a national team is different from a club team. I hope he learns from his mistakes (he has made an infinite number of mistakes) and the 2026 World Cup will be better.
But it was also noticeable that almost all of the top stars underperformed in this European Championship. Kane (yes, top scorer, but only 2 goals from the game + 1 penalty is rather poor), Mbappe, Ronaldo, Lewandoski. Were all out of form. Some because of injury, some because of something else, but it doesn't matter. Would be fun to know what the odds were for Mbappe to be top scorer. I seem to remember it was between 5-7.
But I can't confirm that they're all cheats, liars is more like it. Fair play has never existed. Everyone only thinks about their team and winning. It was always like that, Maradona didn't care that he scored the goal with his hand. The English still don't care that the ball was never in the goal. They still cool like vultures when they think about 1966. Cucurella won't care either, he's celebrated as a hero in Spain. He's laughing his head off at the whistles. He's never in Germany anyway xD
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Yes, wasn't there something?
Italy European champions! And then they failed to qualify for the World Cup. Wasn't that the case?
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It was a miracle for Italy, there's no other way to explain their triumph. It was a gift from God for Gianluca Vialli, who sadly died a year later. Italy only played strongly in the group stage. In the knockout phase, they were rather shaky and did not remain consistent.
Round of 16 against Austria: Arnautorvic doesn't score the 1-0 in almost the 70th minute because of 1-2cm. Austria hardly gave Italy any space in the first 90 minutes. They shivered their way into extra time and then won the game with individual players (Chiesa).
Quarter-final against Belgium: first half played very well, 2nd half was poor. If Belgium had had a Mbappe instead of Lukaku, Italy would have scored at least 2 goals in this half.
Semi-final against Spain: Italy were completely outclassed, hardly any possession, hardly any scoring chances (believe first scoring chance only came just before half time). Then, thanks to the class of a single player (Chiesa), they scored the 1-0 and Morata equalized. In extra time only Spain played and penalties are a lottery.
Final: you get a goal in the 2nd minute and because England played so defensively, Italy got more space here. If they had continued to play offensively, the English would have taken the trophy back to England.
So much for the European Championship triumph. Italy only impressed in qualifying and the group stage. Otherwise it was a lot of luck.
Then, in the World Cup qualifiers, they had Switzerland and Italy had morons like Jorginho who thought they had dribbled the system. Sommer had seen through Jorginho's trick and was able to save TWO penalties in the first and second leg. Yes, the guy scored a penalty in his "way" in the first leg and cost Italy the win and because his ego was bruised, he took the ball again in the second leg and scored the penalty again so stupidly. That was the reason why Italy didn't qualify directly. Not Jorginho, but because nobody stopped the idiot. Back then, the captain should have taken the ball away from Jorginho. But because nobody wanted to shoot, they let him shoot. That took the responsibility off them. In the play-offs, they would have had to play Portugal in the final (mega bad luck here) and, with all due respect, Portugal would have won easily. Fortunately, Italy spared themselves this embarrassment.
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A lot of would have would have. Whether it would have happened that way is another matter 😉
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Take a look at Italy's games at Euro 2020 and you'll see that my post contains the truth. Italy only really impressed in the group stage.
Spain were convincing in every game - they also won all their games at this European Championship - something no team had ever managed before. Name me one game that they won undeservedly and please don't name Germany, because Germany were lucky with the referee at the beginning that he didn't give Kroos at least one yellow card.
Explain to me why Italy hardly did anything after the European Championship triumph. Clearly lost the final against Argentina (0-3), only came 2nd in the World Cup qualifiers, then lost the play-offs against North Macedonia (not even against Portugal, but against North Macedonia). I can help you with the explanation. The bit of "luck" that saved their asses at the 2020 European Championship was missing.
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I don't understand why you have to question a comment if you hardly provide any counterarguments in the same breath.
Italy were lucky, and as an Italy fan I openly admit that. The results before and after the European Championship underline this. The 2010 and 2014 World Cups were knocked out of the group stage, the 2018 and 2022 World Cups didn't qualify and the 2024 European Championships were knocked out in the round of 16 against Switzerland. Since their World Cup triumph in 2006, Italy have only managed to make it to Euro 2012 and 2020, otherwise they were eliminated in the quarter-finals at the latest (Euro 2008 and 2016).
Funnily enough, soccer is funny, one coach reaches the 2nd final in a row and then quits as coach, while the other coach delivers the worst performance in 70+ years and is allowed to remain coach. That's bella Italia
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Sometimes yes, no question, but it's clear to see that Italy is not consistent and has only performed well 2/8 tournaments. You can only talk about miracles/luck there, while Spain has been more consistent. In roughly the same time span as Italy, Spain have reached the final 4 times (2008,2010,2012,2024) and the semi-finals 5 times (2008,2010,2012,2020,2024). Spain will also do well at the 2026 World Cup, maybe not win, but certainly not be as bad as Italy after their European Championship success. One of the reasons is that the team is quite young. Yamal 17, Williams 22. They were perhaps the missing piece of the puzzle that they lacked at the last European Championship, because the Spanish team hasn't changed that much. Three years ago they played with almost the same people. I think only Busquets and Alba are missing.
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You immediately come up with the game against Germany where Kroos didn't get the card. Absolutely correct that the card should have been given but then the game would have gone differently for him. He was just lucky that it was so early in the game. I can also say now that if havertz, Wirtz Lücke had taken their chances Spain would have gone down. That's why a lot of would have would have etc. There's no question that they can run the ball, but you could also see in the final that they were very careless with their chances. Yamal could have scored 2 goals we would have to say now. Furthermore, if the England striker had placed his header better at the end, there would probably have been extra time. I didn't really want to write anything more about it, but it was there. 😉 It's nothing against you or anyone else. It's just about that famous would have. 🤙
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Right, he might not have fouled Pedri a second time and who knows, maybe Olmo wouldn't have gone in and he scored the 1-0. These are all things where we can't make a 100 percent statement, but if the "could have" in my comment bothers you, then I'm sorry. Please see my other comment, where I explain the facts and no longer refer to the "could have". The fact remains that Italy have not played consistently in recent years and Euro 2020 was an exception that was won with a lot of luck, while Spain have been consistent. That's my point and not the "could have". I wrote the word 3 times or something xD
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Last time I read it here, the European Championship was great. I didn't like it at all. Lame games, far too keen not to lose (third place in the group doesn't exactly make it more attractive), etc.
Before the first game of the European Championship, I watched my greatest club legend Bernard Dietz (captain of 1980 European champions Germany) on TV, with a lot of pride and tears, a great sportsman and person. Then I watch the European Championship. This constant lousy acting on the pitch is so annoying. Rolling on the floor 5 more times for every foul and screaming ouch. It's a joke that they earn so much in any sport except soccer. Add to that the definitely (a couple of) corrupt referees. Where has the sporting spirit and fairness gone? When I play a hand, I'm honest and admit to breaking the rules
PS. It's pretty cool when you're sitting on +3.5 goals with the German women and the 4th goal still comes
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The problem with the lame games also exists in the CL or in every league when it's David against Goliath. It's usually one-way soccer. It's just been a little more noticeable at this European Championship because some teams have done it that you wouldn't have thought. England and Italy are good examples. Italy lined up defensively against Croatia. The coach wanted to play for a draw. I don't know if that would have happened in the 90s, but I don't think so. But that was exactly the mistake. The same with England. They only woke up when they were behind. Both teams would have needed a different tactical formation. At least Southgate realized it and resigned (or made it look that way, who knows). Italy have the well-known problem that nobody wants to be responsible for their failures and they don't recognize their failures. The Italian coach has also seriously blamed the weather for their elimination in the round of 16. As an Italian and Juve fan, you really have to suffer, I tell you. Spalletti is a good coach, but a national team is different from a club team. I hope he learns from his mistakes (he has made an infinite number of mistakes) and the 2026 World Cup will be better.
But it was also noticeable that almost all of the top stars underperformed in this European Championship. Kane (yes, top scorer, but only 2 goals from the game + 1 penalty is rather poor), Mbappe, Ronaldo, Lewandoski. Were all out of form. Some because of injury, some because of something else, but it doesn't matter. Would be fun to know what the odds were for Mbappe to be top scorer. I seem to remember it was between 5-7.
But I can't confirm that they're all cheats, liars is more like it. Fair play has never existed. Everyone only thinks about their team and winning. It was always like that, Maradona didn't care that he scored the goal with his hand. The English still don't care that the ball was never in the goal. They still cool like vultures when they think about 1966. Cucurella won't care either, he's celebrated as a hero in Spain. He's laughing his head off at the whistles. He's never in Germany anyway xD
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