Hanshanshans wrote on 30.06.2024 at 20:01:
Absolutely undeserved, also got a thick two minutes of stoppage time (too much) as a gift.
I'm certainly not an England fan, but 6 minutes is fine. That's the price you pay when you let yourself go for every little thing and please don't tell me Slovakia didn't let themselves go from the 70th onwards. Happened easily 3 times (once was justified though), then all the turnovers. Slovakia stonewalled, which is their right, but then also played for time. Not extreme, but still time-wasting. Then there's the VAR, which also added 1-2 minutes.
Yesterday, Italy only got two, but there was no VAR and no time was played.
frapi07 wrote on 30.06.2024 at 20:11:Certainly not an England fan, but 6 minutes is fine. That's the price of letting yourself down for every little thing and please don't tell me Slovakia didn't let themselves down from the 70th onwards. Happened easily 3 times (once was justified though), then all the turnovers. Slovakia stonewalled, which is their right, but then also played for time. Not extreme, but still time-wasting. Then there's the VAR, which also added 1-2 minutes.
Yesterday, Italy only got two, but there was no VAR and no time was played.
Of course, the Slovaks took everything off the clock that was possible. But despite all that, I didn't think there were any significantly long "interruptions". There have certainly been games with 2 or 3 longer VAR phases in a half where there were "only" 6 minutes on the clock.
Btw, is there any other "big" sport apart from football that is defined in terms of time, where the clock is not stopped during interruptions like in basketball, football, etc.? This would counteract many controversial final phases.
Sure, the Slovaks took everything off the clock that was possible. However, despite all that, I didn't think there were any significantly long "interruptions". There have certainly been games with 2 to 3 longer VAR phases in one half, where there were also "only" 6 minutes on the clock.
Btw, is there any other "big" sport apart from football that is defined in terms of time, where the clock is not stopped during interruptions like in basketball, football, etc.? This would counteract many controversial final phases.
That's what soccer is all about. Discussions about this or that, differences of opinion, etc.
Sure, the Slovaks took everything off the clock that was possible. However, despite all that, I didn't think there were any significantly long "interruptions". There have certainly been games with 2 to 3 longer VAR phases in one half, where there were also "only" 6 minutes on the clock.
Btw, is there any other "big" sport apart from football that is defined in terms of time, where the clock is not stopped during interruptions like in basketball, football, etc.? This would counteract many controversial final phases.
I'm not a referee or anything, but I think there's a minimum amount of stoppage time. I think it will be 2-3 minutes. Free kicks, corners etc. are also regarded as stoppages. In the 2nd half England had 2 free kicks, at least 3-4 corners (I don't know anymore). So 2-3 minutes is fair for this.
In the 2nd half there were then:
VAR check (+1 minute)
Many substitutions (+1 minute)
Timeout (+1 minute)
So, don't tell me I've exaggerated with the time. I estimated everything to the minimum. Whether it's +5 or +6 doesn't matter, the goal was scored sometime in 94:30 or so, so it would also be in regular injury time here. To write that they've now reached extra time undeservedly because of an extra minute is suboptimal in my opinion.
I don't know. Maybe handball? Otherwise I don't know.
x00NY wrote on June 30th, 2024 at 8:33 pm:
That's what soccer is all about. Discussions about this or that, differences of opinion etc.
Yes of course every opinion is welcome. I'm the last person to object to that. I just expressed my purely objective opinion and also explained why I thought stoppage time was okay.
Yes of course every opinion is welcome. I'm the last person to object. I just expressed my purely objective opinion and also explained why I thought the stoppage time was okay.
I mean that the time should be stopped and there should be no stoppage time etc. It's precisely this stoppage time that's cool, when a goal is scored in the last minute like today, etc.
Shit, in the 1st Hz there were already 3 yellow cards for England, so 100 euros on over 3.5 yellows for Q1.5. and what is, after that 0 😭 But at least X2 on Slovakia right, now only over 1.5 goals Spain vs Geo, i.e. 1 goal only.
T0uchTheSky wrote on 30.06.2024 at 21:25: Shit, in the 1st Hz there were already 3 yellow cards for England, so 100 euros on over 3.5 yellows for Q1.5. and what is, after that 0 😭 But at least X2 on Slovakia right, now only over 1.5 goals Spain vs Geo, i.e. 1 goal only.
Was the same for me yesterday. I'm betting on over 2.5 cards for 2.0 in the Germany game at half time. Then 3 yellow cards, but unfortunately one for the bench that doesn't count.
Yes I did, but it's not wild, goalscorer bets always have a certain Risk and to be honest I didn't expect such a lousy performance from the English and to be honest I was annoyed that they got further with the performance.
frapi07 wrote on 30.06.2024 at 20:50:Yes, of course, every opinion is welcome. I'm the last person to object. Just expressed my purely objective opinion and also explained why I thought the stoppage time was okay.
I don't think we'll reach a common denominator here, but it doesn't matter. We can't add or subtract stoppage time. England are through... I really wouldn't have begrudged it to the Slovaks. The advantage is that it created a great betting opportunity for the quarter-finals. Switzerland with narrow 4 win odds. I'll definitely play on that.
Oh, the clock is also stopped in handball.
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I just have to keep going as long as I'm winning . I have to seize the opportunities and eliminate mistakes.
But I know that I will never touch my wins from last year. They are sacred to me
Even the win I won with your lottery here last year. Where you gave away 30 euros. And I used it. And I made 130 euros out of it.
I still have the money .
Landskrona is going like Schmidt's cat 🐱
2 to 0 already. They're the new Bayern.
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The donkeys still manage to equalize😡
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Absolutely undeserved, have also been given a thick two minutes of stoppage time (too much) in which the equalizer has fallen.
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I'm certainly not an England fan, but 6 minutes is fine. That's the price you pay when you let yourself go for every little thing and please don't tell me Slovakia didn't let themselves go from the 70th onwards. Happened easily 3 times (once was justified though), then all the turnovers. Slovakia stonewalled, which is their right, but then also played for time. Not extreme, but still time-wasting. Then there's the VAR, which also added 1-2 minutes.
Yesterday, Italy only got two, but there was no VAR and no time was played.
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Of course, the Slovaks took everything off the clock that was possible. But despite all that, I didn't think there were any significantly long "interruptions". There have certainly been games with 2 or 3 longer VAR phases in a half where there were "only" 6 minutes on the clock.
Btw, is there any other "big" sport apart from football that is defined in terms of time, where the clock is not stopped during interruptions like in basketball, football, etc.? This would counteract many controversial final phases.
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That's what soccer is all about. Discussions about this or that, differences of opinion, etc.
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Oh, most of that has already been "abolished" anyway by VAR, goal-line technology, sensor in the ball,...
Then they can also make the old clock out of the question😉
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I hope you didn't do it 🤣
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I'm not a referee or anything, but I think there's a minimum amount of stoppage time. I think it will be 2-3 minutes. Free kicks, corners etc. are also regarded as stoppages. In the 2nd half England had 2 free kicks, at least 3-4 corners (I don't know anymore). So 2-3 minutes is fair for this.
In the 2nd half there were then:
VAR check (+1 minute)
Many substitutions (+1 minute)
Timeout (+1 minute)
So, don't tell me I've exaggerated with the time. I estimated everything to the minimum. Whether it's +5 or +6 doesn't matter, the goal was scored sometime in 94:30 or so, so it would also be in regular injury time here. To write that they've now reached extra time undeservedly because of an extra minute is suboptimal in my opinion.
I don't know. Maybe handball? Otherwise I don't know.
Yes of course every opinion is welcome. I'm the last person to object to that. I just expressed my purely objective opinion and also explained why I thought stoppage time was okay.
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I mean that the time should be stopped and there should be no stoppage time etc. It's precisely this stoppage time that's cool, when a goal is scored in the last minute like today, etc.
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Was the same for me yesterday. I'm betting on over 2.5 cards for 2.0 in the Germany game at half time. Then 3 yellow cards, but unfortunately one for the bench that doesn't count.
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Yes I did, but it's not wild, goalscorer bets always have a certain Risk and to be honest I didn't expect such a lousy performance from the English and to be honest I was annoyed that they got further with the performance.
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I don't think we'll reach a common denominator here, but it doesn't matter. We can't add or subtract stoppage time. England are through... I really wouldn't have begrudged it to the Slovaks. The advantage is that it created a great betting opportunity for the quarter-finals. Switzerland with narrow 4 win odds. I'll definitely play on that.
Oh, the clock is also stopped in handball.
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