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Deposit and withdrawal methods: Santander puts account on hold - help please (Page 9)

Topic created on 16th Aug. 2024 | Page: 9 of 10 | Answers: 144 | Views: 8,157
Chriiiis
Rookie
Yes, I've noticed now too, I could have asked chatgpt.... I'm just totally overwhelmed and would love to jump off the bridge, which of course I won't do, but that's really my current feeling unfortunately.


Everyone says something different, some say I should look for a lawyer, others say no way, then they say I should tell the truth, then the other says I shouldn't mention the casino under any circumstances, yes again, what should I mention where the money comes from? I have to be honest and transparent.

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frapi07
Elite
Chriiiis wrote on 22.08.2024 at 19:36: Yes, I noticed it now too, I could have asked chatgpt.... I'm just overwhelmed to the max and would love to jump off the bridge, which of course I don't do,. but that's really my current feeling unfortunately.


Everyone says something different, some say I should look for a lawyer, others say no way, then they say I should tell the truth, then the other says I should never mention the casino, yes again, what should I mention where the money comes from? I have to be honest and transparent.

We all understand that, but I can only speak for myself and will explain my insight to you.

The problem is that at first we didn't know why the bank froze your account. If the bank behaves so strangely and doesn't reveal anything, then you have to assume the worst case --> suspicion of money laundering and the best solution is a lawyer.

You have also passed on false information. Regardless of whether this was a typing error or not - this is not relevant now, but it has also caused misunderstandings.

The bank has now provided some information on request and today we suggested that you first show them only the Binance documents, i.e. that the account belongs to you and that you initiated the withdrawal. You shouldn't say anything about the origin of the money or bring anything with you and if they ask you about it, you just say that you forgot it at home and you'll get it and hand it in later. Of course, you don't do that, but go to the lawyer and let him clarify the matter. The communication will then only take place between the lawyer and the bank, you shouldn't talk to them.

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Chriiiis
Rookie
I have not yet been told what I have to show. The lady on the phone only told me that the advisor at the bank I was with was supposed to ask me for proof, which he didn't do.

Yes, it was real and is a big mess, which is also my fault of course, because I bring in a lot of panic and chaos.

I'll wait and see until I'm contacted, maybe it's enough as I described it to him that day (sports bets made), the lady on the phone today from the complaints hotline said that nothing arrived in the department responsible for this, maybe they missed something, he also said himself that he wrote to them that they should release the account like that...... Who knows, maybe it will be free again tomorrow...... Let's wait and see.

But then I'll definitely do it that way.

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Zockerlin3
Rookie
Has anyone here had any experience regarding the Deposit limit increase via Lukas/- or oasis or whatever they call it - refers only to the monthly 1000 deposit limit in the German licensed casinos... I had been told by an onlincasinos supporter that you could contact them via email but somehow I never got a response - anyone here with experience who could report?

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Chriiiis
Rookie
What does this have to do with my problem with the account?^^

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gamble1
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Chriiiis wrote on 26.08.2024 at 13:24: What does that have to do with my problem with the account?^^

Has nothing to do with it was probably a little OT from him


How does it look with you, is there anything new?

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Chriiiis
Rookie
Nothing new, no info so far...

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frapi07
Elite

Chriiiis wrote on 26.08.2024 at 23:56: Nothing new, no info so far...

For the info mind you... until you have access to the money again it can still take some time, which is why some (including me) have advised you to get a restraining order.

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gamble1
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frapi07 wrote on 27.08.2024 at 09:02:

For the info mind you... it may be a while before you have access to the money again, which is why some (including me) have advised you to get a restraining order.

Soon there will be fresh money now he doesn't need to start with it

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Falke
Expert
What kind of a barrel is being opened here?

Call your bank or go there yourself and tell them to make the money available to you immediately because it's YOUR money. Threaten them with a lawsuit and coercion. Not handing over your money means private problems for you and that's the bank's fault. And don't leave there until you can withdraw the money.

If there is suspicion of money laundering because of a few thousand.... dollars, then that is so grotesque. Money laundering is only done by someone who moves completely different sums of money back and forth.

What can you see on your Binance statements? You see a crypto address and that's it. Could have been sent to you by a friend.

If they think you've been laundering money, they should call in the authorities if they absolutely think so. But if not, they should give you the money immediately. This Stasi spying on the German state and its compliant helpers, the banks, really annoys me. You have a Federal Chancellor who is suspected of having embezzled billions, but the smallest citizen is treated like a felon because of a few thousand euros.

So, if I were you, I would be a bit more self-confident when dealing with the bank and only give them the bare minimum of information. How cheeky is that, please, to block someone's account, then give no reason whatsoever, then only after repeated inquiries to blurt out something about suspicion of money laundering. On what basis? If you make such a serious accusation, then there must be clear evidence. And these certainly cannot be based on a few transfers from a crypto site.

I know you can't afford it, but I would have sent my lawyer over there a long time ago and exhausted everything, but really everything that would be possible and would also sue the bank.
See if you can find something like a people's lawyer or other places where you can get a lawyer for free. There are a few places like that. Stupid banks. Even the most immoral and probably also the most criminal, but then they bully normal citizens.

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gamble1
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Falke wrote on 28.08.2024 at 01:41: What kind of a barrel is being opened here?

Call your bank or go there yourself and tell them to make the money available to you immediately because it's YOUR money. Threaten them with a lawsuit and coercion. Not handing over your money means private problems for you and that's the bank's fault. And don't leave there until you can withdraw the money.

If there is suspicion of money laundering because of a few thousand.... dollars, then that is so grotesque. Money laundering is only done by someone who moves completely different sums of money back and forth.

What can you see on your Binance statements? You see a crypto address and that's it. Could have been sent to you by a friend.

If they think you've been laundering money, they should call in the authorities if they absolutely think so. But if not, they should give you the money immediately. This Stasi spying on the German state and its compliant helpers, the banks, really annoys me. You have a Federal Chancellor who is suspected of having embezzled billions, but the smallest citizen is treated like a felon because of a few thousand euros.

So, if I were you, I would be a bit more self-confident when dealing with the bank and only give them the bare minimum of information. How cheeky is that, please, to block someone's account, then give no reason whatsoever, then only after repeated inquiries to blurt out something about suspicion of money laundering. On what basis? If you make such a serious accusation, then there must be clear evidence. And these certainly cannot be based on a few transfers from a crypto site.

I know you can't afford it, but I would have sent my lawyer over there a long time ago and exhausted everything, but really everything that would be possible and would also sue the bank.
See if you can find something like a people's lawyer or other places where you can get a lawyer for free. There are a few places like that. Stupid banks. Even the most immoral and probably the most criminal, but then harass the normal citizens.

Well, Falke, the problem with that is unfortunately the Money Laundering Act and it clearly talks about suspicious circumstances where banks are obliged to initiate a check first, which also includes the following



Banks must always check a suspicion of money laundering if:

  • Unusual transactions: A transaction or business relationship appears unusual and deviates from the norm.

  • Unclear origin of funds: There are doubts about the origin of funds.

  • Doubts about the information provided by the customer: The customer provides contradictory or incomplete information.

  • Politically exposed persons (PEP): The transactions of politically exposed persons, who are exposed to a higher Risk of money laundering, must be examined particularly carefully.



So if the TE only ever has small amounts in the account and suddenly there is a discrepancy, this is sufficient for such a check and accordingly the blocking of your account until everything is clarified

Do you think that's ok? No ! Is that the law? Yes !

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Falke
Expert
gamble1 wrote on 28.08.2024 at 03:06:

Well Falke the problem with it is unfortunately the money laundering law and there is clearly spoken of suspicious moments where banks are obliged to initiate an examination first, including the following



Banks must always check a suspicion of money laundering if:

  • Unusual transactions: A transaction or business relationship appears unusual and deviates from the norm.

  • Unclear origin of funds: There are doubts about the origin of funds.

  • Doubts about the information provided by the customer: The customer provides contradictory or incomplete information.

  • Politically exposed persons (PEP): The transactions of politically exposed persons, who are exposed to a higher Risk of money laundering, must be examined particularly carefully.



So if the TE only ever has small amounts in the account and suddenly there is a discrepancy, this is sufficient for such a check and accordingly the blocking of your account until everything is clarified

Do you think that's ok? No ! Is that the law? Yes !


And that is exactly what I criticized in my post. That these laws no longer have anything to do with a liberal democracy, but with an authoritarian surveillance state. And that the banks are playing the role of compliant helpers.


It is also extremely discriminatory. While a businessman can move millions around, a poor wretch is immediately suspected of money laundering because "unusually" a few bills, rather than a few cents, end up in his account.
The accusation of money laundering is just too blatantly ridiculous for such amounts. Money laundering means that you want to launder illegal transactions. And this is normally done with bogus companies, etc. But certainly not by getting money into a bank account.

Logically, therefore, there should be no suspicion of money laundering for any normal citizen; by definition, money laundering is something completely different.

Not so long ago there was something like banking secrecy and look where we've got to now? And once again, such laws are only used to monitor and harass the stupid citizen and restrict his freedom more and more. Certainly not to catch the real criminals and money launderers. They are in the very positions of power where these laws are passed.

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frapi07
Elite

Falke wrote on 08/28/2024 03:30:
And that's exactly what I criticized in my post. That these laws no longer have anything to do with a liberal democracy, but with an authoritarian surveillance state. And that the banks are playing the role of compliant helpers.


It is also extremely discriminatory. While a businessman can move millions around, a poor wretch is immediately suspected of money laundering because "unusually" a few bills, rather than a few cents, end up in his account.
The accusation of money laundering is just too blatantly ridiculous for such amounts. Money laundering means that you want to launder illegal transactions. And that's normally done with bogus companies, etc. But certainly not by getting money into a bank account.

Logically, therefore, there should be no suspicion of money laundering for any normal citizen; by definition, money laundering is something completely different.

Not so long ago there was something like banking secrecy and look where we've got to now? And once again, such laws are only used to monitor and harass the stupid citizen and restrict his freedom more and more. Certainly not to catch the real criminals and money launderers. They are in the very positions of power where these laws are passed.

Unfortunately, the banks are allowed to do this and you can criticize it, that is also our right, but he can't do anything at the moment unless he obtains a consent decree. Then he can achieve something with it, but he won't get far with threats etc., possibly only by being escorted out of the branch.

He's not the first and won't be the last and I don't think that everyone is happy to bend over backwards and put up with everything. I believe that the FIU was involved with the TE because it's just unusual for them not to release any information for a week. If your account is seized or something like that, you're notified immediately, so you have to assume the worst.

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gamble1
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frapi07 wrote on 28.08.2024 at 09:22:

The banks are unfortunately allowed to do this and you can criticize it, that's our right too, but he can't do anything at the moment unless he gets a restraining order. Then he can do something with it, but with threats etc. he won't get far, possibly only that he is escorted out of the branch.

He's not the first and he won't be the last and I don't think that everyone likes to bend over backwards and put up with everything. I believe that the FIU was involved with the TE because it's just unusual for them not to release any information for a week. If your account is seized or something like that, you're notified immediately, so you have to assume the worst.


The awesome thing about it is that even if an authority or supervisory body has been involved, I think it should be clear pretty quickly that you're not dealing with a criminal money launderer, but then it's usually clear that you're dealing with an "illegal player" and then you've got another piece of crap at the start because of one piece of crap

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Chriiiis
Rookie
Today I got a call from the bank where I was last week and showed the Binance account statements.
In addition to the crypto transfers, we have another problem, which is why my account will probably be canceled now (he said he will soon receive a letter from the bank) because I can enter a new account number where the money will then be transferred.

The reason: I didn't use the account as a salary account, which it was supposed to be. That is probably one of the reasons why I am being terminated.

i am curious

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