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Betting games,... : Raffle final (Page 6)

Topic created on 20th May. 2024 | Page: 6 of 6 | Answers: 89 | Views: 4,871
Dutch78
Expert

frapi07 wrote on 03.06.2024 at 22:56: Nuremberg didn't bring any luck Luckily I didn't go there

But many others who had no luck

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frapi07
Elite

Dutch78 wrote on 03.06.2024 at 23:22:

But many others who were not lucky

The DFB team rarely plays in Nuremberg, it's mostly unimportant friendlies. I can't understand that, as they also have their training camp nearby (Herzogenaurach). When they do come, you hope for goals

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Chewi
Top Member
How are goal tips evaluated?

Tips submitted

Pretzel: 30 minutes
Chewi: 18 minute
MiPe: 7 minute


Assuming a goal had been scored by the 7th minute, would Mipe have won?

18.-29th minute Chewi?

And from the 30th minute until the final whistle Butterbrezel?

What applies from minutes 8-17?

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x****Y
Chewi wrote on 04.06.2024 at 07:30: How are goal tips evaluated?

Tips submitted

Butterbrezel: 30 minute
Chewi: 18 minute
MiPe: 7 minute


Assuming a goal had been scored by the 7th minute, would Mipe have won?

18.-29th minute Chewi?

And from the 30th minute until the final whistle Butterbrezel?

What applies from minutes 8-17?

Shouldn't it be clear that whoever is closer would win?


In other words: 0-12:30 mipe, 12:31-24:00 chewi, 24:01-90:00 Brezel

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frapi07
Elite

x00NY wrote on 04/06/2024 07:54:
Shouldn't it be obvious that whoever is closer would win?


Say: 0-12:30 mipe, 12:31-24:00 chewi, 24:01-90:00 pretzel

I would see it that way too, but I find it unfavorable that someone had significantly more time (if it had been evaluated that way).


Perhaps a different value would be better? Corners would be more suitable, I think.

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x****Y

frapi07 wrote on 04.06.2024 08:45:

I would see it that way too, but then find it unfavorable that someone then had significantly more time (if it had been evaluated that way).


Maybe another value would be better? Corners would be more suitable, I think.

It's fair, everyone can speculate what the others are doing Besides, there's a good chance that a goal will be scored in the first 25 minutes.

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frapi07
Elite

x00NY wrote on 04.06.2024 09:24:

Fair enough, everyone can speculate what the other will do Besides, there's a good chance that a goal will be scored in the first 25 minutes.

Not really. I looked up various sources and it doesn't matter whether it's the Bundesliga, EPL or World Cup. Your statement is not correct.


Question:

In which minute of the game are the most Bundesliga goals scored?


Answer:


In 2015, bundesliga.de published statistics on this. For this purpose, the playing time was divided into 5-minute intervals and all goals scored in the Bundesliga up to that point (48,704 goals) were grouped together.


The result: by far the most goals were scored between the 85th and 90th minute.

(Source: In which minute of the match are the most Bundesliga goals scored? | soccer-questions)

or:


Goals per minute: There is indeed an asymmetry in soccer. Significantly more goals are scored in the second half of the game than in the first. At a World Cup, you wait an average of 36 minutes for a goal. Data from the 2007/08 season shows that in the Premier League, around 60% of goals are scored in the second half and 40% in the first half. The 1,179 goals scored in the season were distributed in 15-minute intervals as follows: 150, 157, 168, 203, 179, 322.You can see: A particularly high number of goals are scored at the beginning of the second half and in the last 15 minutes. The probability of a goal is dynamic.

(Source: Goals and the law of small numbers | Telepolis)

Incidentally, there could also be problems with corners, because theoretically there could also be such a case: actual corners 5. A bets on 4 corners and B bets on 6 corners. Both then have a difference of 1. I had considered this in my post, but wanted to mention it again in the addendum.





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x****Y
frapi07 wrote on 04.06.2024 09:38:

Not really. I looked up various sources and no matter whether Bundesliga, EPL or World Cup. Your statement is not true.


Question:

In which minute of the game are the most Bundesliga goals scored?


Answer:


In 2015, bundesliga.de published statistics on this. For this purpose, the playing time was divided into 5-minute intervals and all goals scored in the Bundesliga up to that point (48,704 goals) were grouped together.


The result: By far the most goals were scored between the 85th and 90th minute.

(Source: In which minute of the match are the most Bundesliga goals scored? | soccer-questions)

or:


Goals per minute: There is indeed an asymmetry in soccer. Significantly more goals are scored in the second half of the game than in the first. At a World Cup, you wait an average of 36 minutes for a goal. Data from the 2007/08 season shows that in the Premier League, around 60% of goals are scored in the second half and 40% in the first half. The 1,179 goals scored in the season were distributed in 15-minute intervals as follows: 150, 157, 168, 203, 179, 322.You can see: A particularly high number of goals are scored at the beginning of the second half and in the last 15 minutes. The probability of a goal is dynamic.

(Source: Goals and the law of small numbers | Telepolis)

Incidentally, there could also be problems with corners, because theoretically there could also be such a case: actual corners 5. A bets on 4 corners and B bets on 6 corners. Both then have a difference of 1. I had considered this in my post, but wanted to mention it again in the addendum.







1. Of course, if you take all the games, the average is higher. If the first goal in a game is scored in the 90th minute, it weighs significantly more than a game in which a goal is scored in the first minute. As an example

Game 1: Goal 1 minute
Game 2: 1 minute
Game 3: 90 minutes

The average is already 31 minutes, although in 2 games the first goal was scored in 1 minute.

2. Anyone can speculate how they think they are most likely to win. Are you also starting to criticize Poker for not being fair because not everyone gets the same cards at the start?

3. There's an incredible €10 at stake, and fun should be the priority. Some people have to make a science out of everything. No wonder hardly anyone wants to organize competitions here anymore.

P.s: by the way, the first poll makes no sense here. Of course more goals are scored in the 85-90 minutes, the opponent opens up as soon as they are one goal behind. It's highly likely that a goal will have been scored earlier in the game, so it won't be the first goal.

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frapi07
Elite

x00NY wrote on 04/06/2024 10:05:

1. It's clear that if you take all games, the average is higher. If the first goal in a game happens in the 90th minute, it weighs significantly more than a game in which a goal happens in the first minute. As an example

Game 1: Goal 1 minute
Game 2: 1 minute
Game 3: 90 minutes

The average is already 31 minutes, although in 2 games the first goal was scored in 1 minute.

2. Anyone can speculate how they think they are most likely to win. Are you also starting to criticize Poker for not being fair because not everyone gets the same cards at the start?

3. There's an incredible €10 at stake, and fun should be the priority. Some people have to make a science out of everything. No wonder hardly anyone wants to organize competitions here anymore.

P.s: by the way, the first poll makes no sense here. Of course more goals are scored in the 85-90 minutes, the opponent opens up as soon as they are one goal behind. It's highly likely that a goal will have already been scored earlier in the game, so it won't be the first goal.

That's why they have divided their statistics into 5-minute intervals. In principle, they say that the longer the game is played, the more likely it is that a goal will be scored. (that's why they say it's dynamic). The 36 min/goal was just a side info.

I know that it's about 10€. I don't want to be a spoilsport either, I just wanted to briefly mention that this gives one or the other an advantage. Since I don't know how Andre would have scored, I can't say much about it, except that it might have been fair if only the 1st half had counted here (since everyone bet on the 1st half). I just went into more detail about your statement. I can accept that it's your assessment, but your statement was de facto wrong. Not meant to be a personal attack on you.

P.S. That's all in perspective, because there will also be games where it's a draw (doesn't necessarily have to be 0-0) and nobody will take the risk.


But enough off topic - good luck to the 3 for the next round

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x****Y

frapi07 wrote on 04.06.2024 at 10:27 am:


But enough off topic - good luck to the 3 for the next round

I agree with you about ending the discussion, we wouldn't come to a common denominator anyway. So I'll join in and wish the remaining 3 good luck too

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Andre
Expert
0:0 was really unfortunate. In my opinion, it's a fair thing because everyone has placed their bets anonymously. With corners, for example, there's a greater Risk of several people picking the same tip. 7-11 corners are usually the rule.

Unfortunately, there has to be a new question. This time I'll take two games. The second game is only valid if the first one also ends 0-0. You just write me another minute for the game between Austria and Serbia. If this game ends 0:0, the Tip applies to Italy - Turkey.

Austria vs. Serbia (20:45)
Italy vs. Turkey (20:45)

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x****Y

Andre wrote on 04.06.2024 at 10:51: 0:0 was really unfortunate. Since everyone submitted the Tip anonymously, I think it's a fair thing. With corners, for example, there's a greater Risk of several people picking the same tip. 7-11 corners are usually the rule.

Unfortunately, there has to be a new question. This time I'll take two games. The second game is only valid if the first one also ends 0-0. You just write me another minute for the game between Austria and Serbia. If this game ends 0:0, the tip applies to Italy - Turkey.

Austria vs. Serbia (20:45)
Italy vs. Turkey (20:45)

Imagine both games end 0:0

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Emeyesty
Experienced
I have already received the win, thank you very much!

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Chewi
Top Member
Thanks for the winning coins. I came third.

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JoshGordon
Visitor
Thanks for the prediction game and the prize coins.

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