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All about sports: FIFA Club World Cup 2025

Topic created on 05th Dec. 2024 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 22 | Views: 554
JJepsa96
Rookie
Next summer will see the first Club World Cup with 32 teams.

The draw was made today.

Bayern and Dortmund represent Germany.

Bayern will play in a group with Benfica, Boca Juniors and Auckland.

BVB are in a group with Fluminense, Ulsan and Mamelodi Sundowns.

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DieWunderharke5000
Top Member
You shouldn't always just complain, but somehow I find the whole Tournament unnecessary. There are already enough competitions anyway.

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Donnie
Elite
DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 05.12.2024 at 21:28: You shouldn't always just complain, but somehow I find the whole Tournament unnecessary. There are already enough competitions anyway.


It's just a money-making exercise, nothing else. And if Fifa, Uefa or the DFB weren't corrupt turds, there wouldn't even be such a thing, or RB Leipzig, or this, or that, or

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Patizi
Elite

Donnie wrote on 05.12.2024 at 21:49:
It's just money making, nothing else. And if Fifa, Uefa or the DFB weren't corrupt turds, there would be no such thing, or RB Leipzig, or that, or this, or that, or

What did Leipzig do? Sure, you can criticize the way they came up, but what are they doing differently to Dortmund, Bayern, Leverkusen etc?

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Jenn-R
Expert
"DAZN broadcasts worldwide free of charge

The streaming service announced on Wednesday afternoon that it will broadcast all 63 matches live. In addition, DAZN promises to offer all of the broadcasts free of charge. All that is required is a personal DAZN account, which does not require a paid subscription."

Source: kicker

I haven't watched yet, but I have DAZN Unlimited anyway, so if that's true, it's not bad and everyone can watch as they like.
(Good with the price increases ha ho he)

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Donnie
Elite
Patizi wrote on 05.12.2024 at 23:07:

What did Leipzig do? Sure, the way they came up can be noted vlt but what do they do differently than Dortmund, Bayern, Leverkusen etc?

Red Bull has bought its way into German soccer. A World Cup in Qatar. Inflated competitions and a hundred other things that wouldn't exist if it weren't for the corrupt associations. But it doesn't matter anyway because money rules the world. More games, more revenue. Organizing such a Tournament is pretty questionable from a sporting point of view. What on earth does Auckland want there and what is BVB doing there? I don't want to write about this shit anymore. Let them open their own shitty super league, preferably garnished with a bunch of questionable f**king overpaid footballers who let themselves fall at every opportunity and who live in their own world anyway and have no morals. But you hipsters are welcome to celebrate that shit, you have nothing better to do in life anyway

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Rainmann
Elite
I'm slowly getting fed up with soccer. It feels like it's Champions League etc. every week. Watch American football instead. 🤙

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frapi07
Elite

Patizi wrote on 05.12.2024 at 23:07:

What did Leipzig do? Sure, the way they came up can be noted vlt but what do they do differently than Dortmund, Bayern, Leverkusen etc?

Bayern is certainly not backed by a multi-billion corporation like Bayer, RB or VW, which is why I don't currently understand why you're listing them there

But yes, it's true that RBL is not an isolated offender.

Donnie's main argument is also correct. It's just money making and unnecessary, just like the NL. An increase to 32 teams and a group stage is really just to increase the number of games. What strikes me as suspicious is that since 2019, these "World Cups" have also been held in countries that then also hosted a World Cup (Qatar 2019 and 2020, USA 2025). It looks to me as if they want to promote the country for the upcoming World Cup.

Is there any other added value? The revenue for FIFA is increasing

The ones who suffer are the players and spectators. Imagine the following: RM/Bayern/PSG reach both the CL and FIFA Club World Cup finals. CL final is 31.05.25. Most European leagues are also over by then. The final for the Club World Cup is on 13.07.25, so 6 weeks where the players should have been off have been taken away from them. At some point in August there are also these unnecessary tournaments or some strange tour or training camp (e.g. here What to expect at the Audi Summer Tour 2024 | FC Bayern). Some leagues then start in August... too much. I didn't think the summer breaks were bad per se. It's summer anyway and usually good weather. But now it's the case that there are always tournaments every year (or as good as) until July. In the past, you had the European Championship - break - World Cup - break. Needless to say, this cycle is also difficult for the players. Then there are also the national games, because either the World Cup/EM qualifiers or the NL take place.

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JJepsa96
Rookie

Jenn-R wrote on 05.12.2024 at 23:34: "DAZN broadcasts worldwide free of charge

The streaming service announced on Wednesday afternoon that it will broadcast all 63 matches live. In addition, DAZN promises to offer all broadcasts free of charge. All that is required is a personal DAZN account, which does not require a paid subscription."

Source: kicker

I haven't watched yet, but I have DAZN Unlimited anyway, so if that's true, it's not bad and everyone can watch as they like.
(Good with the price increases too ha ho he)

Well, I'll watch the German games.

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Patizi
Elite

Donnie wrote on 05.12.2024 at 23:46:
Red Bull has bought into German soccer. A World Cup in Qatar. Inflated competitions and a hundred other things that wouldn't exist if it weren't for the corrupt associations. But it doesn't matter anyway because money rules the world. More games, more revenue. Organizing such a Tournament is pretty questionable from a sporting point of view. What on earth is Auckland doing there and what is BVB doing there? I don't want to write about this shit anymore. Let them open their own shitty super league, preferably garnished with a bunch of questionable f**king overpaid footballers who let themselves fall at every opportunity and who live in their own world anyway and have no morals. But you hipsters are welcome to celebrate that shit, you have nothing better to do in life anyway

But for being so p**sed off about it, you do comment on it a lot. Then f**k it, don't place any more bets and ignore the sport. There's a lot of money involved in professional sport and you should accept that because you're not going to change it. All that remains is a total boycott and not supporting anything that has anything to do with it. Otherwise it's just all hypocrisy! Since I think it's good as a tipster that something like this exists, and I'm apparently a hipster who has nothing better to do in life, I'll take the liberty of calling you a hypocrite.

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Patizi
Elite

frapi07 wrote on 06.12.2024 00:42:

Bayern is certainly not backed by a multi-billion dollar corporation like Bayer, RB or VW, which is why I don't currently understand why you're listing them there

But yes, it's true that RBL is not an isolated offender.

Donnie's main argument is also correct. It's just money making and unnecessary, just like the NL. An increase to 32 teams and a group stage is really just to increase the number of games. What strikes me as suspicious is that since 2019, these "World Cups" have also been held in countries that then also hosted a World Cup (Qatar 2019 and 2020, USA 2025). It looks to me as if they want to promote the country for the upcoming World Cup.

Is there any other added value? The revenue for FIFA is increasing

The ones who suffer are the players and spectators. Imagine the following: RM/Bayern/PSG reach both the CL and FIFA Club World Cup finals. CL final is 31.05.25. Most European leagues are also over by then. The final for the Club World Cup is on 13.07.25, so 6 weeks where the players should have been off have been taken away from them. At some point in August there are also these unnecessary tournaments or some strange tour or training camp (e.g. here What to expect at the Audi Summer Tour 2024 | FC Bayern). Some leagues then start in August... too much. I didn't think the summer breaks were bad per se. It's summer anyway and usually good weather. But now it's the case that there are always tournaments every year (or as good as) until July. In the past, you had the European Championship - break - World Cup - break. Needless to say, this cycle is also difficult for the players. Then there are also the national games, because either the World Cup/EM qualifiers or the NL take place.

Nations League replaces the friendlies, that's the idea behind it. And it's probably better to play against Holland and co. instead of Andorra or similar caliber, as we used to do at the same time. It's worth more to compete on an equal footing.


Where are the spectators? I don't feel sorry for anyone! Who forces people to go there or watch it? Everyone chooses for themselves. They even buy lots of merchandise. They support it all. The stadiums are often packed. Some clubs could build even bigger stadiums and it would still be sold out. So why should I feel sorry for someone who supports it? Do you feel sorry for footballers? Apart from the fact that you must be really bad at it, in the end you can still decide for yourself whether you want to become a footballer or work somewhere else. No sympathy there either. It's not as if a soccer player couldn't just go to work 5x8 a week. Nobody forces these people to play soccer. They all chose it themselves! If it gets too much for them, they can always end their career and look for something else. But the money, the fame and the attention is cool. I can understand it if you do this job.

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frapi07
Elite

Patizi wrote on December 06, 2024 at 12:28 pm:

Nations League replaces the friendlies, that's the idea behind it. And it's probably better to play against Holland and co. instead of Andorra or similar caliber, as in the past at the same time. It's worth more to compete on an equal footing.


Where are the spectators? I don't feel sorry for anyone! Who forces people to go there or watch it? Everyone chooses for themselves. They even buy lots of merchandise. They support it all. The stadiums are often packed. Some clubs could build even bigger stadiums and it would still be sold out. So why should I feel sorry for someone who supports it? Do you feel sorry for footballers? Apart from the fact that you must be really bad at it, in the end you can still decide for yourself whether you want to become a footballer or work somewhere else. No sympathy there either. It's not as if a soccer player couldn't just go to work 5x8 a week. Nobody forces these people to play soccer. They all chose it themselves! If it gets too much for them, they can always end their career and look for something else. But the money, the fame and the attention is cool. I can understand it if you do this job.

and that's the problem with the NL. It replaces friendly matches, where many coaches could try out new players and systems. But now you have to decide: either you don't take the NL seriously and use the games to try new things, or you take the games seriously and put even more pressure on the XI. Many players also see the NL as unnecessary and look for any excuse not to take part. I'm not talking about Mbappe, but also English players. I also reported a few weeks ago that 8 people won't be there. The Risk of getting injured there is not 0 and for what? For a Tournament that has hardly any prestige so far. If you win the European Championship/World Cup, you'll be in the history books forever. If you win the NL... nobody cares at the moment.

As a fan, you try to watch your club as often as possible. Can't agree 100% with your reasoning, because it depends. I can tell you that it's not like that in Italy. Stadiums don't fill up. It has to do with the prices and sometimes the times (rarely). You are welcome to read this article Italy and its problem arenas. It's a few years old, but not much has really changed. In any case, it gets too much for me personally at some point and I won't be following this club World Cup in such an awesome way. The European Championship was quite nice because your country was also represented, but what does a Leverkusen fan want to watch at this World Cup? Bayern against Auckland City? The world doesn't need that xD

Yes, a footballer works just as much as a full-time employee, if not more. Training, nutrition etc. If you're not 100% behind it then you won't get far in soccer, see also Balotelli. You live for soccer and that doesn't mean you chill at home four days a week and do nothing. But it's clear that the working atmosphere is different. You're not as energized as a department head or manager might be. It's true that they chose it themselves, but back then you didn't have such a full calendar, you know? The workload is clear to see. Players got injured more often. Just look at RM or Juve.

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Langhans_innen
Expert

Patizi wrote on 06.12.2024 at 12:14 pm:

For being so p**sed off about it, you do comment on it a lot. Then f**k it, don't place any more bets and ignore the sport. There's a lot of money involved in professional sport and you should accept that because you're not going to change it. All that remains is a total boycott and not supporting anything that has anything to do with it. Otherwise it's just all hypocrisy! Since I think it's good as a tipster that something like this exists, and I'm apparently a hipster who has nothing better to do in life, I'll take the liberty of calling you a hypocrite.

At the latest when some place offers a €5 free bet on the FIFA Club World Cup, everyone immediately becomes a hipster. I'm not even worried about critics of the Tournament

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Patizi
Elite

frapi07 wrote on 06.12.2024 at 12:56 pm:

and that's exactly the problem with the NL. It replaces friendlies where many coaches could try new players and systems. But now you have to decide: either you don't take the NL seriously and use the games to try new things or you take the games seriously and burden the XI all the more. Many players also see the NL as unnecessary and look for any excuse not to take part. I'm not talking about Mbappe, but also English players. I also reported a few weeks ago that 8 people won't be there. The Risk of getting injured there is not 0 and for what? For a Tournament that has hardly any prestige so far. If you win the European Championship/World Cup, you'll be in the history books forever. If you win the NL... nobody cares at the moment.

As a fan, you try to watch your club as often as possible. Can't agree 100% with your reasoning, because it depends. I can tell you that it's not like that in Italy. Stadiums don't fill up. It has to do with the prices and sometimes the times (rarely). You are welcome to read this article Italy and its problem arenas. It's a few years old, but not much has really changed. In any case, it gets too much for me personally at some point and I won't be following this club World Cup in such an awesome way. The European Championship was quite nice because your country was also represented, but what does a Leverkusen fan want to watch at this World Cup? Bayern against Auckland City? The world doesn't need that xD

Yes, a footballer works just as much as a full-time employee, if not more. Training, nutrition etc. If you're not 100% behind it then you won't get far in soccer, see also Balotelli. You live for soccer and that doesn't mean you chill at home four days a week and do nothing. But it's clear that the working atmosphere is different. You're not as energized as a department head or manager might be. It's true that they chose it themselves, but back then you didn't have such a full calendar, you know? The workload is clear to see. Players got injured more often. Just look at RM or Juve.

How can you say that a Balotelli hasn't gone far in soccer? He's still a professional and he's earned a lot of money. Have you only achieved something if you play at the top? Even the players from Schalke or Ulm have achieved an incredible amount. They are professionals and live a good life. Even those who don't know the numbers certainly earn more than most will ever earn. Achieving something doesn't always just mean winning trophies. Becoming a professional footballer is almost unattainable when you think about how many people want to get there. You have to be incredibly good and it's normal that you invest a lot of time in it and will continue to do so throughout your career. The argument that everything was different in the past doesn't count for me either. They didn't earn that much in the past either. I think they are well paid for what they do. And I still think that if they don't like it, they can certainly talk to the club and terminate the contract. Nobody is forced to live the life of a footballer, but there are plenty of people who would love to do their job.


In Italy, the stadiums have never really been full to capacity, at least that I know of. It's a problem that's been going on for umpteen years. But it's different in Germany. Your personal feeling is also absolutely ok, but the stadiums will still be full and the Club World Cup will also be watched by an incredible number of people. Regarding your call "but what does a Leverkusen fan want to watch at the World Cup?" there are plenty who simply enjoy watching soccer. I remember my grandfather, for example, watching a lot, regardless of the clubs. Certainly some "Leverkusen fans" are also betting fans and may watch it because of their sports bets or because Leverkusen is not playing. Why do I watch a European Championship or World Cup? Because there's nothing else on! If I had the choice between club soccer and the national team, I'd definitely watch club soccer. And you can also apply the principle of "because there's nothing else on" to the Club World Cup. In the end, I'm the consumer and I'd rather watch something like that than some friendly games or yawning emptiness.

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Patizi
Elite

Langhans_innen wrote on 06.12.2024 at 13:15:

At the latest when some place offers a €5 free bet for the FIFA Club World Cup, everyone will immediately become a hipster. I'm not even worried about critics of the Tournament

That's exactly how it looks!!!!!

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