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Slot Games in general: Some questions about the gameplay

Topic created on 28th Sep. 2017 | Page: 1 of 3 | Answers: 24 | Views: 5,786
TonioKroeger
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Some questions about the gameplay

28th Sep. 2017, at 09:37 pm CEST#1
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Good evening, when I lived in Berlin a few years ago and occasionally went to arcades or the casino, I often heard the famous, always angrily exclaimed "would have" argument: Free spins come and the player grumbles, "If only I had played higher!" I have then always said, mutatis mutandis, that no FS would have come if he had played on two euros instead of 30 cents. Is that correct?

The second question is more theoretical, but equally interesting and important. Several times I have noticed, especially when playing fast, that the symbols or Scatters that seem to fall down are ready to be seen in the position where they then land, for example in the Netent game "Invisible Man". A Betsafe employee told me that in the first logical second after the spin, it is already certain what will be paid out, whatever may follow and however long it may take! But then everything would be only show, a nice effect, which the program suggests to us, which has long since decided what we get. Is this really so? I could understand that with picture sequences, fruit games, etc. At Quasar I occasionally get technical dropouts, several times I played the EGT game "Frog Story" there, where you are happy about the croaking frogs, and often the win was already visible at the bottom left, before the longer lasting slide of the symbols was finished

But it gets strange with free spins and possible hoped for extensions. After all, it is conceivable to get over 150 FS on Lucky Lady, to name just one example. Here, everything can't be determined in the first moment when you get three scatters, can it? Greetings and good luck for the dark season!

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Skitch22
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Some questions about the gameplay

28th Sep. 2017, at 11:33 pm CEST#2
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Have you ever heard I would never have started playing the crap ?

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TonioKroeger
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Some questions about the gameplay

28th Sep. 2017, at 11:36 pm CEST#3
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What should I do with this counter question? What do you mean or would it be possible to answer the questions factually?

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Daniel
Elite

Some questions about the gameplay

28th Sep. 2017, at 11:59 pm CEST#4
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To question 1: Yes, the winning picture or the free spins would have come even if he had played with a higher stake. But if he had played with higher stakes all the time, then he would have lost more over the years. You never know before when the free spins will come. You could also apply this to roulette. If someone bets 1€ on a number and it comes, then the player wins 36€. If he had bet 10€, he would have won 360€. But you never know beforehand when the number you need will come.

To question 2: Yes, the Betsafe employee is right. The moment you press the start button, the game result for that round is decided. Therefore, it is also bullshit when some players say "I pressed the Scatter in" because he or she stopped the reels. During the free spins in Lucky Lady, an extension during the free spins is also random. However, I would imagine that the chances of getting another 3 Scatters during free spins are slightly higher than outside of free spins. However, the latter is only conjecture, since Novomatic does not publish the source code.

Here I have described how a Slot machine works in principle: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-funktionsweise/ by "programming" a simple machine (very simple machine).

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TonioKroeger
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Some questions about the gameplay

29th Sep. 2017, at 02:40 pm CEST#5
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Thanks for the info and the link to the plastic explanation with the random principle, even if I had hoped for a different answer, because then there is just a reason to be angry if you have not bet high 😊 . The model game with the shamrocks explains the payout ratio very well to me! Also sorry to have so many questions, am just very…inquisitive 😊 … round then just means until the "sticky" or wild wins are completed after pressing once. If the reels spin again, as in Jack Hammer 1 and 2, it becomes already more complicated, I suppose and is then in FS mode with the possibility of extension.
I really thought that sometimes it depends on the use and apparatus often give better on low or just high level and trigger FS on sudden change, which happened to me occasionally. Then all this would be just selective perception.
Yes, I also have the impression that in FS mode on Lucy Lady the balls appear more often (by the way, I have never seen 5 ladies in a row, not even in YouTube recordings, quite unlike a full screen with the "explorers" (Indiana Jones) on Book of Ra...
So at least at the beginning of the FS it is not clear how many extensions there are, if I understood you correctly. Basically obvious, because a pure show effect with extended free spins with initially already fixed sum would have something fraudulent, in that the coincidence would then be just switched off. What I still do not understand is the "being open" (lucky streak) in a game, as you show it in some videos with high winnings. It must be all random, how explains itself then that the systems give sometimes in usually short phases extremely much ("want") and one can feel it literally and is pleased about the profit factor, which can lie with over 1000, with Jackpots still higher. Here something would have to be programmed in the source code that there is now just a lot, but perhaps here again the desire is father of the thought. Greeting!

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Anonym

Some questions about the gameplay

29th Sep. 2017, at 06:00 pm CEST#6
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TonioKroeger wrote on 09/29/2017 at 14:40: Thanks for the info and the link to the plastic explanation with the random principle, even if I had hoped for a different answer, because then there is just a reason to be annoyed if you didn't bet high 😊 .

There is no reason to be angry about it because in the long run you lose much more money on higher stakes

But of course if you want you can be angry about it, it always depends on your own point of view on something

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Daniel
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Some questions about the gameplay

29th Sep. 2017, at 09:20 pm CEST#7
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TonioKroeger wrote on 09/29/2017 at 2:40 PM
Thanks for the info and the link to the vivid explanation with the random principle, even if I had hoped for a different answer, as there is then just a reason to be annoyed if you did not bet high

As TomWegas said, in the long run you lose more and have a higher risk. Unfortunately, you cannot predict when a high profit will come. Even if you think that as a player often through selective perception. However, every player who honestly reviews his gambling will find that everything is unpredictable and everything happens.

TonioKroeger wrote on 09/29/2017 at 2:40 PM
The model game with the shamrocks explains the payout ratio very well to me! Also sorry to have so many questions, am just very…inquisitive

No need to apologize, that's what the forum is for!

TonioKroeger wrote on 09/29/2017 at 2:40 PM
What I still don't understand is the "being open" (lucky streak) on a game

Well, lucky streaks just happen (but very rarely!) if you just play often enough. But there are much more unlucky streaks. Even in Roulette, where it is easier to understand chance, there are lucky and unlucky streaks. There are times when the same number comes up twice in a row. If a player now always stubbornly bets on 17, then it will, as long as you try it often enough, at some point also come to the fact that the 17 comes twice in a row. If the player does not accept the winnings but bets again, he would win 1,296 times his stake on that day. Of course, this happens very rarely and significantly more often the player will only lose the whole evening.

Or there are times when the red comes 20 times in a row. If you as a player have bet on black all the time, you have a streak of bad luck, in the other case a streak of good luck.

This is exactly how it is with slot machines. However, a streak of bad luck can be more severe on Slot machines, as you can win a maximum of 36 times your bet per game on roulette and up to 5,000 times your bet on slot games like Book of Ra. In the long run it doesn't matter if you play roulette or slot machines (with the same payout ratio as roulette). In the long run, the losses are the same.

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spielo
Rookie

Some questions about the gameplay

30th Sep. 2017, at 09:54 am CEST#8
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Good evening, when I lived in Berlin a few years ago and occasionally went to gambling halls or the casino, I often heard the famous, always angrily exclaimed "would have argument": Free spins come and the player grumbles: "If only I had played higher!" I have then always said, mutatis mutandis, that no FS would have come if he had played on two euros instead of 30 cents. Is that correct?

Hello,

Let's explain in a very basic way how a Slot machine works. As has already been noted and almost correctly answered, the game is already finished before you clicked the start button. Technically, the programming of the software is a continuous, recalculated combination of the respective RNG
That means: No matter on which bets you play, no matter when you change the bet (increase/decrease) or also no matter how many lines you set, the next game/spin is already finished

Physically, the payout ratio also increases with the increase of the stakes, which is related to the simple chance that the winnings also increase many times. However, in practical terms, such a profit is paid out just as often as with a small bet and the distance until it arrives can be very expensive.

But it becomes strange with free spins and possible hoped extensions. It is yes conceivable to come on over 150 FS with Lucky Lady, in order to call only one example. Here, everything can't be determined in the first moment when you get three Scatters, can it? Greetings and good luck for the dark season!

In the case of free spins, the games are programmed differently, so that better winning pictures come in and new free spins can be triggered. However, the RNG does not change or the sequence of the upcoming games, which are still completed before the start

Vllt still what to the payout ratios:

Odds are calculated on the infinite and therefore do not guarantee that with 100 euros also 94 euros (average odds in casinos 94%) come back. This does not mean, as often assumed, that if a machine has paid out a high profit, the machine then gives nothing more for a long time. That is everything only the faith the Zocker wants to see. It was explained already on the basis of Roulette quite well, a slot machine has no Gedächnis and each turn is a new turn in the infinite projections of a RNG again and again new coincidence is distributed

Hope I could help your thought something on the jumps

Greetings

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c****7

Some questions about the gameplay

30th Sep. 2017, at 02:02 pm CEST#9
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Interesting presentation,
but it must be noted that the RNG of automata is a pseudo RNG, because it is random but the machine must guarantee a long-term result, i.e. the RNG is "controlled" ergo pseudo.

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Daniel
Elite

Some questions about the gameplay

30th Sep. 2017, at 06:17 pm CEST#10
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chmi77 wrote on 30.09.2017 at 14:02: Interesting presentation,
but it must be noted that the RNG of automata is a pseudo RNG, because it is random but the machine must guarantee a long term result, meaning the RNG is "controlled" ergo pseudo.

Pseudo means something different in the context of computerized random number generators. Theoretically, a machine cannot generate random numbers, because everything is somehow calculable. But this is very theoretical and scientific. If you are interested, you can read the article on Wikipedia about this. In practice, it is like real randomness or you can't tell the difference between real randomness and pseudo-randomness.

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