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How do free spins work in slot games?
2nd Nov. 2017, at 04:12 pm CET#1
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How exactly do the free spins work according to your opinion/knowledge? I have read quite a bit here, including how the machines work in general (random number generator, etc.).
I currently play 2 slots very intensively (Jack and the Beanstalk and Hot Sync)
With the latter it is so that the FS are divided into the following categories:
"nothing" --> no set is spent
"big win
"super win"
"mega win"
"epic win"
My question:
Does the Random Number Generator pick out such a FS when reaching a bonus round, i.e. "mega win", or is it just as random within these games as in the normal course?
With Jack and the Beanstalk it is also such a thing - sometimes 200 spins until something comes, then you are happy about a FS and nothing comes. Yesterday I had one of 10 Fs in it by I quasi "almost" had my expenses in it with 200 euros win with 2 harps at the end.
Well, there are basically only three possibilities:
1. The free spins are treated like a winning picture - like when Sizzling Hot 5 times the 7 or another picture runs in only with more action.
2. During the free spins everything is random like in the base game and every time the player presses, new random numbers are drawn. Maybe in games like Lucky Lady's Charm during free spins the probability to get more free spins is increased, because for example during free spins there are more balls on the reels. After all, there are other games where more wild symbols are added during the free spins. Only in Lucky Ladies Charm, Dolphins Pearl etc. this is not announced or displayed to the players.
3. The free spins are based on randomness but the results are calculated beforehand (on a random basis as in the base game). Example: In Lucky Lady's Charm free spins are triggered. Now the machine plays 15 rounds, in case of free spins extension 30 rounds, etc. in the background and saves the result. In principle, it is the same as random play, except that the player can no longer "determine" when to get the random numbers, since the machine has already done this before.
I must admit that I don't know exactly how this works. But I am almost sure that possibility 3 is correct. I've been playing for a long time and I've never noticed any regularity in the course of the free spins
Determining wins in advance (as in example 1) would also not make much sense, as this could create loopholes that resourceful players or confidants could use for themselves, and that would not be in the interest of the manufacturers. The games must also be able to exist in all jurisdictions and these require that games run randomly. Then there are so many parameters that make programming on a non-random basis difficult, such as with the payline settings. How does the machine react when a player plays with only one payline (1€ bet)? Does it then throw the same fixed win as if the player had played with 10 paylines (also 1€ bet)?
In my opinion, only option 3 really makes sense from the developers' point of view. This is also safer for players, since it can always happen that either the Internet connection breaks or that a physical Slot machine crashes and in case no. 3 nothing would be lost for the player and he would have gotten exactly the free spins he would have gotten before the crash.
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How do free spins work in slot games?
2nd Nov. 2017, at 05:30 pm CET#3
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Thank you for your detailed answer. Possibility 3 would be quasi as I also thought - different free play types, which are just "before" already selected and provide a certain win, depending on the stake (unfortunately, the good FS are really rare)!
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How do free spins work in slot games?
2nd Nov. 2017, at 05:49 pm CET#4
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Of course, it can not be said generally for all games to 100% but in my experience it is so that the result of the free spins is determined at the moment in which they are triggered is determined what is paid out afterwards
It happened to me a year ago when I was online in Malta that my laptop crashed at the end of the free spins on a Monopoly slot. In this slot you have to uncover symbols again and again during the free spins. When I restarted the laptop I was back at the beginning of the free spins and had to select a symbol (or a card) again about 30-40 times. Although I took now naturally other fields the result (the uncovered symbols) was always logically the same as before. So you usually only have a pseudo choice, because no matter what you click on, the same thing happens (in this case the same symbol is always revealed).
It is part of slots to "fake" this influence, so this is basically part of the game. If you get it but in such a crash again very clearly led before eyes is a bit strange. Especially since the free spins lasted a good 40 minutes and I just had to constantly uncover some symbol again which was pretty annoying
With Jackpotslots it is also clear in the bonus Jackpot rounds that it is all just pseudo-influence, which should be conveyed there. In the case of jackpot machines, you usually do not need more than logical thinking to "get behind". I always find it funny in real casinos when some grannies spend 5 minutes discussing what they should uncover next so that they win the jackpot , because it makes no difference either way. The symbol that appears behind the 5 minutes long selected item would also appear under any other uncovered item
Conclusion: As a rule (probably even as good as always) you can generalize that you can clearly assume that in bonus rounds as well as in free spins the result is fixed with triggering. When the free spins/bonus rounds are given and how much they then give is imo random. Only the amount of the payout is just already fixed as soon as triggered.
That is, you could theoretically influence the game if you knew in which milisecond the Random Number Generator chooses the right number comi and you then press the start button exactly in this second. By theoretically I mean a supernatural being would be able to do this ...
But when free spins are triggered now, the game quickly draws 15 random numbers * number of reels in the background, so to speak, and generates 15 random game results that are then played. If there is a free spins extension during the first 15 results, then the game will draw 15 more random results in the background. As I said, all this happens even before you start the first free spin.
How you then press during the free spins then no longer plays a role and does not affect the wins that occur during the free spins. Not even if this hypothetical supernatural being would sit down at the slot machine after the start of the free spins.
With this card reveal, it is similar. That is, you get a random game result and it no longer matters which cards you reveal.
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How do free spins work in slot games?
2nd Nov. 2017, at 07:23 pm CET#6
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Pick a Car was part of the free spins in the case of the Super Monopoly Money slot. You should be able to play this slot in Malta, but for players in Germany this Scientific Games slot was not playable until now.
Personally, I don't think that 15 numbers are drawn at the moment when free spins are extended, but that the free spins are to be considered as a whole result and therefore the RNG is only active once. No matter how many free spins are then ultimately given in the rounds. The free spins are imo more or less like a "video" that is played as soon as they are triggered to see. The random generator is then in my opinion only responsible for triggering the games
My experience with the Super Monopoly Money Slot also speaks for this, because there were also extensions etc. otherwise it would not have taken 40 minutes. It was basically like a video that I had to watch again in which I had to click regularly on next (pick a car), the result and the number of free spins (including extensions) was the same, although it was later and even the selected "cars" were different.
TomWegas wrote on 02.11.2017 at 19:23: The cards (or Pick a Car) was in the case of the Super Monopoly Money Slot part of the free spins. You should be able to play it in Malta, but for players in Germany this Scientific Games slot was not playable yet.
Personally, I don't think that 15 numbers are drawn at the moment when free spins are extended, but that the free spins are to be considered as a whole result and therefore the RNG is only active once. No matter how many free spins are then ultimately given in the rounds. The free spins are imo more or less like a "video" that is played as soon as they are triggered to see. The random generator is then in my opinion only responsible for triggering the games
My experience with the Super Monopoly Money Slot also speaks for this, because there were also extensions etc. otherwise it would not have taken 40 minutes. It was basically like a video that I had to watch again in which I had to click regularly on next (pick a car), the result and the number of free spins (including extensions) was the same, although it was later and even the selected "cars" were different.
Hope you can follow me.
Sure, it can be seen as a video, because according to my theory all "pictures" are drawn at the beginning of the free spins and then fixed for the free spins. It is quasi a fast Basegame that runs in the background within a second and then is cached. And then you as a player play these previously drawn spins. However, it is not the win amount that is predetermined, but the images that will come during the free spins. If you play with 5 paylines, you will have a different result than if you had played with 10 paylines. Positive, as well as negative - depending on what the coincidence brings you.
The free spins extensions are included.
Example
Step 1: 10 Book of Ra free spins are triggered, explorers symbol is chosen at random.
Step 2: The machine fetches an appropriate number of random numbers to generate 10 random spins
Step 3: In the 10 random spins, another 3 books come somewhere, so the machine generates 10 more random spins.
Step 4: The machine has made 20 random spins in the background and saves them.
Step 5: The player presses the start button and plays the games. He has no possibility to influence them - except with black/red risk. It no longer matters whether he plays the free spins slowly or quickly. The result is already fixed.
Step 6: If the free spins break off because the machine crashes or the internet connection breaks in Online Casinos, then the player can replay the cached 20 free spins.
Strictly speaking, the winning amount and the winning pictures that come during the free spins are already fixed, because the same pictures always come.
I hope I could express myself reasonably understandable. Somehow it is difficult to put these thoughts into writing.
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How do free spins work in slot games?
2nd Nov. 2017, at 09:07 pm CET#8
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Daniel wrote on 02/11/2017 at 20:22
Strictly speaking, the winning amount and the winning pictures that come during the free spins are already fixed beforehand, since the same pictures always come.
Exactly what I think so too
Otherwise, there is in my Theroie only the difference to your theory that I believe that for the free spins no 10 numbers (if there are 10 free spins) are drawn by the RNG, but that the free spins are virtually already deposited for the base game result determined by the RNG in which they were triggered. The number of lines does not matter because these were selected before the spin in the base game and is then the same in the free spins
Ultimately, however, it does not matter to players whether the RNG then draws the free spins again extra or whether it is only the draw in the base game. The only important thing for players is that they have no influence on it.
In the case of free spins, the start time of the free spins makes no difference because, according to my theory, they are stored for the base game in which they were triggered.
But I also do not want to exclude that it is as described by you in the end it makes no real difference.
Have experienced over the years in Online Casinos that as soon as the free spins were triggered directly the profit was added to the casino balance (were then of course free spins without other variables such as gambling functions) although the result was displayed to me only minutes later in the game itself. But this does not exclude your theory or mine
How do free spins work in slot games?
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I currently play 2 slots very intensively (Jack and the Beanstalk and Hot Sync)
With the latter it is so that the FS are divided into the following categories:
"nothing" --> no set is spent
"big win
"super win"
"mega win"
"epic win"
My question:
Does the Random Number Generator pick out such a FS when reaching a bonus round, i.e. "mega win", or is it just as random within these games as in the normal course?
With Jack and the Beanstalk it is also such a thing - sometimes 200 spins until something comes, then you are happy about a FS and nothing comes. Yesterday I had one of 10 Fs in it by I quasi "almost" had my expenses in it with 200 euros win with 2 harps at the end.
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1. The free spins are treated like a winning picture - like when Sizzling Hot 5 times the 7 or another picture runs in only with more action.
2. During the free spins everything is random like in the base game and every time the player presses, new random numbers are drawn. Maybe in games like Lucky Lady's Charm during free spins the probability to get more free spins is increased, because for example during free spins there are more balls on the reels. After all, there are other games where more wild symbols are added during the free spins. Only in Lucky Ladies Charm, Dolphins Pearl etc. this is not announced or displayed to the players.
3. The free spins are based on randomness but the results are calculated beforehand (on a random basis as in the base game). Example: In Lucky Lady's Charm free spins are triggered. Now the machine plays 15 rounds, in case of free spins extension 30 rounds, etc. in the background and saves the result. In principle, it is the same as random play, except that the player can no longer "determine" when to get the random numbers, since the machine has already done this before.
I must admit that I don't know exactly how this works. But I am almost sure that possibility 3 is correct. I've been playing for a long time and I've never noticed any regularity in the course of the free spins
Determining wins in advance (as in example 1) would also not make much sense, as this could create loopholes that resourceful players or confidants could use for themselves, and that would not be in the interest of the manufacturers. The games must also be able to exist in all jurisdictions and these require that games run randomly. Then there are so many parameters that make programming on a non-random basis difficult, such as with the payline settings. How does the machine react when a player plays with only one payline (1€ bet)? Does it then throw the same fixed win as if the player had played with 10 paylines (also 1€ bet)?
In my opinion, only option 3 really makes sense from the developers' point of view. This is also safer for players, since it can always happen that either the Internet connection breaks or that a physical Slot machine crashes and in case no. 3 nothing would be lost for the player and he would have gotten exactly the free spins he would have gotten before the crash.
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It happened to me a year ago when I was online in Malta that my laptop crashed at the end of the free spins on a Monopoly slot. In this slot you have to uncover symbols again and again during the free spins. When I restarted the laptop I was back at the beginning of the free spins and had to select a symbol (or a card) again about 30-40 times. Although I took now naturally other fields the result (the uncovered symbols) was always logically the same as before. So you usually only have a pseudo choice, because no matter what you click on, the same thing happens (in this case the same symbol is always revealed).
It is part of slots to "fake" this influence, so this is basically part of the game. If you get it but in such a crash again very clearly led before eyes is a bit strange. Especially since the free spins lasted a good 40 minutes and I just had to constantly uncover some symbol again which was pretty annoying
With Jackpotslots it is also clear in the bonus Jackpot rounds that it is all just pseudo-influence, which should be conveyed there. In the case of jackpot machines, you usually do not need more than logical thinking to "get behind". I always find it funny in real casinos when some grannies spend 5 minutes discussing what they should uncover next so that they win the jackpot , because it makes no difference either way. The symbol that appears behind the 5 minutes long selected item would also appear under any other uncovered item
Conclusion: As a rule (probably even as good as always) you can generalize that you can clearly assume that in bonus rounds as well as in free spins the result is fixed with triggering. When the free spins/bonus rounds are given and how much they then give is imo random. Only the amount of the payout is just already fixed as soon as triggered.
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As I said, a Slot machine game works on this principle in the base game:
Source: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-funktionsweise/
That is, you could theoretically influence the game if you knew in which milisecond the Random Number Generator chooses the right number comi and you then press the start button exactly in this second. By theoretically I mean a supernatural being would be able to do this ...
But when free spins are triggered now, the game quickly draws 15 random numbers * number of reels in the background, so to speak, and generates 15 random game results that are then played. If there is a free spins extension during the first 15 results, then the game will draw 15 more random results in the background. As I said, all this happens even before you start the first free spin.
How you then press during the free spins then no longer plays a role and does not affect the wins that occur during the free spins. Not even if this hypothetical supernatural being would sit down at the slot machine after the start of the free spins.
With this card reveal, it is similar. That is, you get a random game result and it no longer matters which cards you reveal.
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Personally, I don't think that 15 numbers are drawn at the moment when free spins are extended, but that the free spins are to be considered as a whole result and therefore the RNG is only active once. No matter how many free spins are then ultimately given in the rounds. The free spins are imo more or less like a "video" that is played as soon as they are triggered to see. The random generator is then in my opinion only responsible for triggering the games
My experience with the Super Monopoly Money Slot also speaks for this, because there were also extensions etc. otherwise it would not have taken 40 minutes. It was basically like a video that I had to watch again in which I had to click regularly on next (pick a car), the result and the number of free spins (including extensions) was the same, although it was later and even the selected "cars" were different.
Hope you can follow me.
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Sure, it can be seen as a video, because according to my theory all "pictures" are drawn at the beginning of the free spins and then fixed for the free spins. It is quasi a fast Basegame that runs in the background within a second and then is cached. And then you as a player play these previously drawn spins. However, it is not the win amount that is predetermined, but the images that will come during the free spins. If you play with 5 paylines, you will have a different result than if you had played with 10 paylines. Positive, as well as negative - depending on what the coincidence brings you.
The free spins extensions are included.
Example
Step 1: 10 Book of Ra free spins are triggered, explorers symbol is chosen at random.
Step 2: The machine fetches an appropriate number of random numbers to generate 10 random spins
Step 3: In the 10 random spins, another 3 books come somewhere, so the machine generates 10 more random spins.
Step 4: The machine has made 20 random spins in the background and saves them.
Step 5: The player presses the start button and plays the games. He has no possibility to influence them - except with black/red risk. It no longer matters whether he plays the free spins slowly or quickly. The result is already fixed.
Step 6: If the free spins break off because the machine crashes or the internet connection breaks in Online Casinos, then the player can replay the cached 20 free spins.
Strictly speaking, the winning amount and the winning pictures that come during the free spins are already fixed, because the same pictures always come.
I hope I could express myself reasonably understandable. Somehow it is difficult to put these thoughts into writing.
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Exactly what I think so too
Otherwise, there is in my Theroie only the difference to your theory that I believe that for the free spins no 10 numbers (if there are 10 free spins) are drawn by the RNG, but that the free spins are virtually already deposited for the base game result determined by the RNG in which they were triggered. The number of lines does not matter because these were selected before the spin in the base game and is then the same in the free spins
Ultimately, however, it does not matter to players whether the RNG then draws the free spins again extra or whether it is only the draw in the base game. The only important thing for players is that they have no influence on it.
In the case of free spins, the start time of the free spins makes no difference because, according to my theory, they are stored for the base game in which they were triggered.
But I also do not want to exclude that it is as described by you in the end it makes no real difference.
Have experienced over the years in Online Casinos that as soon as the free spins were triggered directly the profit was added to the casino balance (were then of course free spins without other variables such as gambling functions) although the result was displayed to me only minutes later in the game itself. But this does not exclude your theory or mine
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