But it is not quite clear whether the slot behaves the same on all bets, if the slot throws 500x as a win at a bet of 20c that does not mean that the hit at 1000€ bet would have come exactly the same, the puppeteer is not even so wrong an offline machine also pays attention to the aq that means he can not throw you the same multis on every bet because that can not be calculated, and online it has to be exactly the same, a virtual hopper quasi who knows exactly which multis can be unlocked on which bet multi
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:08 pm CEST#62
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R3hab wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:00: Wait a minute
But it is not quite clear whether the slot behaves the same on all bets, if the slot throws 500x as a win at a bet of 20c that does not mean that the hit at 1000€ bet would have come exactly the same, the puppeteer is not even so wrong an offline machine also pays attention to the aq that means it can't throw you the same multis on every bet because that can't be calculated, and online it has to be exactly the same, a virtual hopper quasi who knows exactly which multis can be unlocked on which bet multi
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:09 pm CEST#63
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Of course we understand you, but it could also be that you would have won 500x with 20 cents, but with 1000 euros you would have a win of 10,000x, otherwise nobody would play with higher bets, right, can you understand me?
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:12 pm CEST#65
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T0uchTheSky wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:09:
Naklar we understand you, but it could also be that at 20 cents you would have won 500x. but at 1000 euros you would have a win of 10 000x, otherwise nobody would play with higher bets or, can you understand me?
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:21 pm CEST#66
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R3hab wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:11:
But to have an rtp there must be a pool
Or a hopper, which in turn calculates the income and expenses, which then results in an AG, or am I wrong?
The RTP has nothing directly to do with the profit calculation. The RTP is based on millions, if not billions of spins. The RTP, which is usually stated, is also a historical value.
Online it works like this: you are assigned a seed and this determines whether you win or lose. In offline machines, the structure is similar, but this seed can be changed in the course of a session when the AQ is reached. This change cannot take place online because the AQ is not known at the time of playing.
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:27 pm CEST#67
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R3hab wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:11:
But to have an rtp there must be a pool
Or a hopper, which in turn calculates the income and expenses, which then results in an AG, or am I wrong?
According to Confucius there should be no pool, because supposedly the RTP 96% comes after more than 1 billion spins. That's like someone saying that black and red in Roulette will eventually reach 50% and 50%. If I flip a coin with tails and heads, after 1 billion rolls of the dice I'm sure I'll have a result of 30% tails and 70% heads, haha ^^
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:34 pm CEST#68
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frapi07 wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:21:
The RTP has nothing directly to do with determining winnings though. The RTP is based on millions, if not billions of spins. The RTP, which is usually stated, is also a historical value.
Online it works like this: you are assigned a seed and this determines whether you win or lose. In offline machines, the structure is similar, but this seed can be changed in the course of a session when the AQ is reached. This change cannot take place online because the AQ is not known at the time of playing.
My point was that the bet makes no difference, but it does
Of course, it can also be positive as mentioned above instead of a 500x on 20c
There can be a 10 000x on 100€ bet
But your argument doesn't quite work either, you say the seed can't change online, that would mean you would never win because a bad seed was chosen for you in advance or what do you mean?
So the eat phase, win phase and so on no longer exist? 😄
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:43 pm CEST#69
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R3hab wrote on 06.04.2024 at 21:34:
I was concerned with the statement that the bet makes no difference, but it does
Can of course also be positive as mentioned above instead of a 500x on 20c can
There can be a 10 000x on 100€ bet
But your argument doesn't quite work either, you say the seed can't change online, that would mean you would never win because a bad seed was chosen for you in advance or what do you mean?
So the eat phase, win phase and so on no longer exist? 😄
Haven't you often seen/read that players with few spins have often come into the free spins or that the slots are sometimes in so-called "eating phases"? This is due to the seed. I don't know when this changes or what you have to do for it. Whether it is reassigned after a countdown or when you close the game or change the IP - I have no idea. In any case, this seed is responsible for whether you win or lose. Of course, you can't win money endlessly with a good seed. At some point it ends.
In any case, this seed has nothing to do with the topic. Puppeteer believes that money amounts are predetermined instead of a multiplier. When you click buy bonus (either yes/ or a tick), it's as if you were doing a normal spin. The only difference is the length, nothing more. As I tried to explain before, the program does not calculate with a currency - that would be too complicated. The program calculates with a multiplier. Zero rounds are x0 etc. So if you click on Yes/Check, the result is calculated as a multi in milliseconds. So 100,000 or 100,9283 etc. That's why funny wins like 1928.19 are possible.
Edit: I was just about to answer you exactly that.
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:45 pm CEST#70
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T0uchTheSky wrote on 06/04/2024 21:27:
According to Confucius, there shouldn't be a pool because supposedly the RTP 96% comes after more than 1 billion spins, for example. That's like someone saying black and red in Roulette eventually get to 50% and 50%. If I flip a coin with tails and heads, after 1 billion rolls of the dice I'm sure I'll have a result of 30% tails and 70% heads, haha ^^
But there must be one, and I'd love to swim in it 😂
Joking aside
The mystery of the slot and the math behind it will be deciphered sooner or later🙄
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6th Apr. 2024, at 09:58 pm CEST#71
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frapi07 wrote on 06/04/2024 21:43:
Haven't you often seen/read that often players have come with few spins in the free spins or that the slots are sometimes in so called "eating phases"? This is due to the seed. I don't know when this changes or what you have to do for it. Whether it is reassigned after a countdown or when you close the game or change the IP - I have no idea. In any case, this seed is responsible for whether you win or lose. Of course, you can't win money endlessly with a good seed. At some point it ends.
In any case, this seed has nothing to do with the topic. Puppeteer believes that money amounts are predetermined instead of a multiplier. When you click buy bonus (either yes/ or a tick), it's as if you were doing a normal spin. The only difference is the length, nothing more. As I tried to explain before, the program does not calculate with a currency - that would be too complicated. The program calculates with a multiplier. Zero rounds are x0 etc. So if you click on Yes/Check, the result is calculated as a multi in milliseconds. So 100,000 or 100,9283 etc. That's why funny wins like 1928.19 are possible.
Edit: I was just about to answer you exactly that.
That refers to the seat you got, right is called Seat why do we write seed? Only have weed in mind haha
But you say it's not like offline here again the same, in the normal game without buying anything and additional bet you either have a hot or cold seat that's exactly the same as with offline machines, notice immediately when in spielo machine is hot, that's why the Oasis lock 😂😂😂😂
Love these topics, you can come up with such nice theories 😉
That refers to the seat you got, right is called Seat why do we write seed? Only have weed in mind haha
But you say it's not like offline here again the same, in the normal game without buying anything and additional bet you either have a hot or cold seat that's exactly the same as with offline machines, notice immediately when in spielo machine is hot, that's why the Oasis lock 😂😂😂😂
Love these topics, you can come up with such nice theories 😉
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But it is not quite clear whether the slot behaves the same on all bets, if the slot throws 500x as a win at a bet of 20c that does not mean that the hit at 1000€ bet would have come exactly the same, the puppeteer is not even so wrong an offline machine also pays attention to the aq that means he can not throw you the same multis on every bet because that can not be calculated, and online it has to be exactly the same, a virtual hopper quasi who knows exactly which multis can be unlocked on which bet multi
Can you understand me?
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Offline is different from online.
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Of course we understand you, but it could also be that you would have won 500x with 20 cents, but with 1000 euros you would have a win of 10,000x, otherwise nobody would play with higher bets, right, can you understand me?
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But to have an rtp there must be a pool
Or a hopper, which in turn calculates the income and expenses, which then results in an AG, or am I wrong?
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That's exactly what I mean😄
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The RTP has nothing directly to do with the profit calculation. The RTP is based on millions, if not billions of spins. The RTP, which is usually stated, is also a historical value.
Online it works like this: you are assigned a seed and this determines whether you win or lose. In offline machines, the structure is similar, but this seed can be changed in the course of a session when the AQ is reached. This change cannot take place online because the AQ is not known at the time of playing.
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According to Confucius there should be no pool, because supposedly the RTP 96% comes after more than 1 billion spins. That's like someone saying that black and red in Roulette will eventually reach 50% and 50%. If I flip a coin with tails and heads, after 1 billion rolls of the dice I'm sure I'll have a result of 30% tails and 70% heads, haha ^^
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My point was that the bet makes no difference, but it does
Of course, it can also be positive as mentioned above instead of a 500x on 20c
There can be a 10 000x on 100€ bet
But your argument doesn't quite work either, you say the seed can't change online, that would mean you would never win because a bad seed was chosen for you in advance or what do you mean?
So the eat phase, win phase and so on no longer exist? 😄
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Haven't you often seen/read that players with few spins have often come into the free spins or that the slots are sometimes in so-called "eating phases"? This is due to the seed. I don't know when this changes or what you have to do for it. Whether it is reassigned after a countdown or when you close the game or change the IP - I have no idea. In any case, this seed is responsible for whether you win or lose. Of course, you can't win money endlessly with a good seed. At some point it ends.
In any case, this seed has nothing to do with the topic. Puppeteer believes that money amounts are predetermined instead of a multiplier. When you click buy bonus (either yes/ or a tick), it's as if you were doing a normal spin. The only difference is the length, nothing more. As I tried to explain before, the program does not calculate with a currency - that would be too complicated. The program calculates with a multiplier. Zero rounds are x0 etc. So if you click on Yes/Check, the result is calculated as a multi in milliseconds. So 100,000 or 100,9283 etc. That's why funny wins like 1928.19 are possible.
Edit: I was just about to answer you exactly that.
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But there must be one, and I'd love to swim in it 😂
Joking aside
The mystery of the slot and the math behind it will be deciphered sooner or later🙄
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That refers to the seat you got, right is called Seat why do we write seed? Only have weed in mind haha
But you say it's not like offline here again the same, in the normal game without buying anything and additional bet you either have a hot or cold seat that's exactly the same as with offline machines, notice immediately when in spielo machine is hot, that's why the Oasis lock 😂😂😂😂
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Because you can't change your seed offline. It stays until the machine (or CPU) says "open sesame".
It is not fixed online. So the seed is not changed after the slot is "open", but when something specific happens. What exactly, I have no idea.
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That's really interesting
Then I'm probably just thinking about weed hahaha
I'll read through it later
Thank you
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No problem
Hope I've expressed myself better now
Offline -> The machine must first say "Open sesame" for the machine to go into payout mode
Online -> The machine can always be in payout mode, it depends on the seed.
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