Slot Games in general: Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence? (Page 3)

Butterbrezel wrote on 14.02.2024 at 17:16: langhansisch mathematisch

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Pat1991 wrote on 02/15/2024 02:16 AM:
Gates has multis that add up within the FS, though. Book of Ra, on the other hand, has a special symbol in the FS, "normal" spins (at least that's what it looks like) with a "special payout", and the option to retrigger. And that's about it.

A much simpler system than Gates. What's more, symbols with a high "special payout" appear much less frequently than the dirty rest.

Again, I'm not disputing the fact that the FS win is already diced when it is triggered. I just can't see any evidence of this anywhere.

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Stromberg wrote on February 15, 2024 at 12:14 pm:

It's just difficult as a layman. There will probably also be differences in the programming.
For example, I don't believe that All Slots work according to the pattern: a Win factor is determined randomly, the higher the less likely. At the same time, it is determined whether the win occurs in free games, in the base game or during a random feature. And then the whole thing is bluntly animated. That's how I imagine it with slots like jammin jars, for example. Two streamers once received exactly the same win factor with exactly the same free game sequence. It then became clear relatively quickly that the slot worked more like a scratch card and that thousands of different winning sequences were programmed to match the win factor (at least that's how I read it back then at cm or something 😄. I don't want to claim that this is 100 percent the case).

On the other hand, there may also be the possibility that the rng throws out a sequence of numbers that determines the images on the reel. This is often described in guides.
But even then, in free spins, this sequence of numbers would simply be determined in a fraction of a second for all spins and the win would be fixed.

So I think the function is probably a bit more complex than just the rng knocking out a factor and visualizing it in one way or another... (even if I've also assumed this before)
But I think it's irrefutable that you know what you win when you press it... 😄

Can't you get a statement on this from a Provider? Höllegames, for example, is in contact with them.

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Pat1991 wrote on 02/15/2024 at 4:01 pm:
@Andre, how about a little interview request? Do you have any contacts? Would be really interesting to know.

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Pat1991 wrote on February 15, 2024 at 4:01 pm:
@Andre, how about a little interview request? Do you have any contacts? Would be really interesting to know.

Julian wrote on February 15, 2024 at 4:15 pm:
I then had contact with another provider a good year ago, and there I took the opportunity to ask again for such a conversation. But unfortunately nothing "special" came out of it, it was, as frapi07 mentioned above, just a standard statement without interesting details.

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frapi07 wrote on February 15, 2024 at 10:07 pm:
I'm not surprised. It's very important information. You always have to bear in mind that these are also companies and that the slot games are their products. You also have to remember the competitors. They could also look at the interviews and possibly copy something.

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Falke wrote on February 15, 2024 at 10:14 pm:

Nothing is copied because they all work according to the same models. And it would be easy for a slot programmer to screen another slot.


So it's not such a big secret what's going on. You just don't want to shout it out in public, especially because most players still think that every round is completely random. For example, that you can get the third Scatter with a quick stop and so on. Or that the selection in pick and collect games is completely random, although this is already known in advance.

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Falke wrote on February 15, 2024 at 10:14 pm:

Nothing is copied because they all work according to the same models. And it would be easy for a slot programmer to screen another slot.


So it's not such a big secret what's going on. You just don't want to shout it out in public, especially because most players still think that every round is completely random. For example, that you can get the third Scatter with a quick stop and so on. Or that the selection in pick and collect games is completely random, although that is already known in advance.

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frapi07 wrote on 02/16/2024 00:30:

I would like to add something. You can very well recognize a difference between the providers. With Pragmatic it is often the case that many only give Bonuses 10-30x. Pragmatic also often pays several spins.

But if you look at ELK - especially Cygnus, Pirots, Katmandu etc. (the list could go on, but I'm too lazy for that) you usually only have one spin that pays. The others are dead spins or give small wins. But ELK is clever and doesn't let you buy bonuses in the demo version. You would have to earn them. Spinning the super bonuses is of course time-consuming. In any case, it's difficult to test the bonuses there unless you invest money. But yes, there are differences and the slots are also programmed differently.

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Falke wrote on 02/16/2024 01:11:

I can buy free spins in the demo version of ELK as normal. And yes, the individual manufacturers program the slots a little differently so that the images fall down differently and the free spins win is then displayed in one spin instead of being split over several spins. But that doesn't change the basic principle that the win is already determined beforehand and how it is then displayed to you is only for entertainment purposes.


The second point, how much the slots pay out, has something to do with volatility. However, this has nothing to do with the topic here. A lot of topics are being mixed up here.

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frapi07 wrote on 02/16/2024 01:55:
Maybe I expressed myself a bit wrong on the 2nd point. Volatility has nothing to do with my point. Volatility has to do with the amount of total profit. But I'm not talking about the amount. I meant the way the Bonuses work.

If you buy a super bonus of €500 at Pirots, for example, you usually have 5 spins. As a rule, one of these spins pays out a large part of your total winnings. You can then throw the other spins in the garbage can. This would not change the volatility because the total win would remain the same.

With gates, you often have bonuses that play many dead spins. As a rule, 7 out of 15 free spins are for the cat. In return, the remaining spins pay medium to good.

There are of course also bonuses at Pragmatic where only one spin pays back 30% of the bet and the rest of the spins are for the ton, but the frequency of this script is much higher at ELK. If you have the opportunity to test the bonuses there, then do so and you will understand what I mean.

ELK could also program it like Pragmatic and spread it over 3-4 spins instead of just one, but you'll rarely get a bonus where that happens. Most of the time it works like I explained: 1 spin pays and the rest either pays nothing or only peanuts. Nothing would change in terms of volatility because the total winnings would remain the same. Only the way you make the win would change.

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