Slot Games in general: Gates Of Olympus: Free spins not just a coincidence?

Pat1991 wrote on 02/11/2023 at 16:12: Moin Moin,

i noticed something with Gates Of Olympus. It seems that the free games are not completely random.

Since Vikings Go Berserk I know that slots are programmed to change their game behavior in certain game situations. Someone on the Askgamblers forum had already noticed that the game starts to throw "differently" / less at a certain charge in the "Rage Meter". A player had come to grips with the slot with an Excel spreadsheet, Yggdrasil answered in the forum something, well, "ambiguous".

Quite similar it seems to run with "Gates Of Olympus", or am I just imagining it?!

After a few free spins I think I noticed that the game:

- In rounds, where nothing goes at all and neither an extension nor multis have come, like to grant 5 extra free spins on the last spins. Most of the time not much more comes around, but at least there is an extra chance.

- With high multi significantly fewer winning combinations to treat. I had once 50+ and once even the 100x multi with some spins left. Thereupon there was then hard as nails either nothing, or only small change.

Thanks to Multi, of course, even 10 cents still become 10 EUR, but it is still very noticeable.


I do not think that you can speak of fraud here. The RTP will be correct, and there is certainly also the chance to clean up fat with active multi. It only hurts the player's soul when the pulse races upwards at the displayed super multi, and then simply only economy mode is announced.

As soon as a bonus round is active, the game makers seem to enjoy a bit more "leeway" with the randomness than usual.

Or does it just seem that way to me?

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Pat1991 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 18:15: I can rather imagine several "game modes". In a game like Vikings Gone Wild, probably from a certain Ragemeter the chance of good free spins (= high win) is greater. In the Basegame then applies:

- Higher expected value of the win in free spins = "saving program"

For example, achieved by other "virtual" reels. The game simply subtracts wins in the base game to fund the expected value of free spins.

Result: Still the same RTP per spin, just distributed differently.

Of course, this can be calculated differently. It would also be possible that the RTP of the TOTAL game always remains the same, but is significantly higher in some game situations.

Since these game situations arise in the vast majority of cases anyway "randomly" (ie: random generator rolls a number, algorithm throws the result based on it. And at some point some Ragemeter or something is advantageous), it doesn't change the fact that the result depends on chance.

As for the "near hits": For this, only certain symbols on the reels would have to be distributed in such a way that ONE or TWO, but not THREE Scatters (or 4x the 7, but always only 2 next to each other) appear more often.

Then it is still random because the Random Number Generator is just random. Only the "shock" or "WTF?" moments would then be included in the game mathematics.

Clear so far?!

EDIT: I very just, you meant with your last paragraph the same as I with mine. Two men, one thought

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Pat1991 wrote on 02.11.2023 at 16:12: Moin Moin,

i noticed something about Gates Of Olympus. It doesn't seem to be completely random in the free games.

I've known since Vikings Go Berserk that slots are programmed to change their game behavior in certain game situations. Someone on the Askgamblers forum had already noticed that the game starts to throw "differently" / less after a certain charge in the "Rage Meter". One player had used an Excel spreadsheet to get to grips with the slot, Yggdrasil responded in the forum somewhat, well, "ambiguously".

It seems to be very similar with "Gates Of Olympus", or is it just my imagination?

After a few free spins, I think I've noticed that the game:

- In rounds where nothing works at all and neither an extension nor multis have come, I like to treat myself to 5 extra free spins on the last spins. Most of the time you don't get much out of it, but at least there's an extra chance.

- With high multiples, you can treat yourself to significantly fewer winning combinations. I once had 50+ and once even the 100x multi with a few spins left. As a result, there was either nothing or only small change.

Thanks to the Multi, even 10 cents still becomes 10 EUR, but it is still very noticeable.


I don't think you can talk of fraud here. The RTP will be right, and there is certainly the chance to win big when the Multi is active. It just hurts the player's soul when the pulse races upwards at the displayed supermulti and then it's simply a case of saving mode.

As soon as a bonus round is active, the game manufacturers seem to enjoy a little more "freedom" in terms of chance than usual.

Or does it just seem that way to me?

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frapi07 wrote on January 25th, 2024 at 9:32 pm:

We already had this discussion ^^ We explained how the slots work back then. Once again: as soon as you do the spin, the final result has already been calculated within milliseconds. So 0x, 10x etc. The same applies to the free spins. As soon as they are activated, the total win is already determined. All the visuals are just for entertainment and excitement. Whether you get your total win on the 1st spin (e.g. script for the max. win) or only on the 20th is therefore irrelevant. As soon as the total win is reached, dead spins are played.

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frapi07 wrote on January 25th, 2024 at 9:32 pm:

We already had this discussion ^^ We explained how the slots work back then. Once again: as soon as you do the spin, the final result has already been calculated within milliseconds. So 0x, 10x etc. The same applies to the free spins. As soon as these are activated, the total win is already determined. All the visuals are just for entertainment and excitement. Whether you get your total win on the 1st spin (e.g. script for the max. win) or only on the 20th is therefore irrelevant. As soon as the total win is reached, dead spins are played.

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Pat1991 wrote on 02/14/2024 at 3:55 pm:
How nice that frappi07 is wagging his tail here. The question is not whether the result is already there when you press a button or click, but whether every single freespin is still random when the freespins are activated. Or has the toad already diced out what will happen during the bonus round when the bonus round rolls in?

Then the freespins would no longer be real spins, but a graphical representation of this result.

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Falke wrote on 14.02.2024 at 01:09:

But it's actually much more interesting in games like the aforementioned Vikings or Wild Swarm, for example. As soon as the hive is set to max, the slot goes almost completely idle. And this raises the question: is it already specified that the bee swarm, for example, is triggered in 400 spins? Or why does the slot go into idle if everything is so random?

That would completely change the situation and again raise the question, is it the case with All Slots that the next spins are already calculated in advance?

There are also some slots where, for example, wild symbols are collected in 10 spins and then the wild symbols are scattered in the 10th spin. If you think this through logically, then at least 10 spins must be calculated in advance?

So, it would be interesting to see exactly how this would work. And you could no longer speak of real chance if, for example, the next 200 spins have already been calculated in advance, as the player assumes that each new spin triggers a random event.

Pat1991 wrote on 02/14/2024 at 15:55:
How nice to see frappi07 wagging his tail here. The question is not whether the result is already known when a button is pressed or clicked, but whether every single freespin is still a coincidence when the freespins are activated. Or has the toad already diced out what will happen during the bonus round when the bonus round rolls in?

Then the freespins would no longer be real spins, but a graphical representation of this result.

As for the example of the falcon: In a thread about Vikings Go Berserk, I once put forward the theory that there are certain "game modes" internally. In other words, the base game switches to a kind of "economy mode" as soon as a collection feature has reached a certain level.

Then the RTP is probably still correct, but it would still be highly manipulative.

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Pat1991 wrote on February 14, 2024 at 5:04 pm: If that were the case, I'd find it anything but fair. Instead of getting excited about the feature, I might as well close my eyes and click the shit down in irritation: "Stop that shit, just show me what you're going to throw at me.

Kind of disappointing.

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