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I live in a beautiful old town in the east with a cathedral. 2 room apartments and there are just over 10 offers for up to 350 euros. A single recipient of citizen's allowance here costs less than 1,000 euros in total.
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Yes, exactly as I wrote. Unfortunately, not everyone can live in the east. You can look here 1 Zimmer Wohnung, Mietwohnung in Nürnberg (Mittelfr) | kleinanzeigen.de. The price is in the range I mentioned. Nuremberg is the 2nd largest city in Bavaria, but the prices in the other major cities will certainly not differ greatly. Here, for example, Regensburg 1 room apartment, apartment for rent in Regensburg | kleinanzeigen.de
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many people who receive citizen's money don't do it on purpose and perhaps have no other choice (of course there are always black sheep) but they f**k you anyway wherever they can
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Well, if someone wins €2000, it's like a wage and you don't get a citizen's allowance if you have an income. It does make sense.
"Citizen's allowance and income: Can you earn more than the tax-free amount?
This is where it gets complicated. If you earn more than the allowance of 100 euros per month, some of this must be deducted as income. However, there are also exempt amounts that are staggered according to income. Specifically, this looks as follows for 2025:
Source: (Citizen's Income: What income is taken into account and how much? | SÜDKURIER)
Edit: Here it is also confirmed that wins are considered income
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you write it yourself what kind of earnings, what kind of wages? wins are related to gambling, gambling equals losses, so you should get back your lost money that you gamble away, you also have to hand in your winnings
that's what I mean
you can't count it as earnings because it's gambling so i think it's cheeky...
that means if i get citizen's money i'm not allowed to do anything anymore because the money comes from the state, i'm only allowed to live again when i earn my own money.... bullshit
it may be as you have explained that it is, i have never denied that, but my opinion is that this is a complete impertinence
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I understand your point of view, but we're talking about an income that is earned. The state doesn't care whether you have taken a Risk or lost money (and are therefore in the red). The state only cares that you have more assets now than before.
Think about it, if you win €10,000, you can finance yourself for a good 10 months. However, the state wants to save money, so people who have private assets or have acquired private assets will not be paid the full amount. The full amount will not be taken from you or you will be required to exhaust your total income first. There are limits (so-called "Schonvermögen"). With the 1st application, you can have 40k capital without having to sell/use any of it. So it is not the case that you are not allowed to own anything in order to receive citizen's allowance.
Casinos/gambling arcades are therefore only worthwhile if they are stationary, as it is more difficult to keep track of them.
However, I have also read that if you lose the money again quickly, there is no penalty or that you immediately receive the full amount of citizen's allowance again.
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Personally, I don't think it's cheeky. The citizen's income is paid for by us workers!!! The citizen's income is there to survive or to be able to participate in life at all. If someone is of the opinion to take their citizen's allowance and then gamble it away in the casino, I can't understand it. Probably then go to the food bank to get food for the month. I also think it's right that the wins are taken into account. It's "almost" the same with assets.
My personal opinion. And if you want to gamble, you can go and earn the money.
But I don't like this citizen's income thing. And I also think it's right that the office takes a close look.
My personal opinion.
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Exactly my point. What some people get away with, even though they live at the expense of us taxpayers ...
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The Citizen's Income is financed by the recipient in the same way as by the worker, the only difference is that the worker pays additional money for it through income tax. And then there is also the question of how clever he is in terms of a tax return. For example, I get most of my income tax back via my tax return.
But nonetheless, income tax is only a peanut portion of the money that the state earns and spends on citizens' income. The state also has other revenues, especially in taxes that everyone pays, for example VAT. And there are also many citizen's allowance recipients who have a car and pay the annual tax on it, the gasoline tax, etc. So a citizen's income recipient basically finances themselves in part.
Which doesn't mean that I approve of these people gambling, or that many people stand in front of supermarkets and drink, I think that's just as terrible, but nevertheless, I think that everyone should decide for themselves what they do with their money, if they are dry toast the whole month because they gambled away 300 on the first day then that's just the way it is, but I think it's just as right that turnover is taken into account, luck or not, whoever wins 500 should also give 500.
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I think that Gambling addiction also plays a major role here. Unfortunately, most people who are involved in casinos/betting are addicted to gambling.
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On top of that, some people lose their job because of their gambling addiction, end up on the dole and can't get out of it.
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This also applies to other addictions. Others gamble it away, others drink it away, others use it to get high.
It's not great, but that's the way life is.
Funnily enough, there is no such debate among the other groups.
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I think there is, but then it's more in a small circle, when you sit together with a few people and talk about Hartzer Jochen, who drinks up all his citizen's money and whose children have to run around in dirty clothes, as an example.
That's because there's a forum here, but certainly not one for drinkers in front of supermarkets, for example
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Partly yes, I think also because alcohol is more socially accepted than gambling.
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Well what does accepted mean, many people drink alcohol occasionally and that is certainly better received if you. Say I drink 2-3 times a month than if I say I go to the casino 2-3 times a month. But with people who stand in front of supermarkets every day, as in the example, people's opinions are unlikely to be positive. Just speaking for my small town, customers complain about the drinkers standing outside the store every day.
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