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News & Notices: Payment of Citizen's Income account (Page 3)

Topic created on 28th Mar. 2025 | Page: 3 of 5 | Answers: 70 | Views: 3,273
Zockerbernd
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:07 am CEST#31
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I know it's all good and you're right, but I don't understand the point of not being allowed to keep any of a win that is unlikely in German casinos, because anything else would be social fraud. Of course nobody reports it, I realize that, I just find it sad that many people gamble away all their citizens' money in a frenzy and then have nothing left for the month, but the casino gets the money from the state in the form of the people who Deposit their citizens' money. I can even imagine that they indirectly make up for the taxes they have to pay with all the recipients of the citizen's allowance who gamble. For me, the German gambling law has failed on every conceivable level.

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Zockerbernd
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:15 am CEST#32
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A citizen's allowance recipient once told me that he risks up to €250 a month because he doesn't care whether he only has €250 or €500, because you can't live on either and that's so sad, he'd rather have €300 more a month on €500 citizen's allowance if things go well so that he can live better for a month and not be at subsistence level every day with the prices these days. you already need €15 a day for food.

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Druff
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:19 am CEST#33
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Zockerbernd wrote on 31.03.2025 at 10:07 am: I know it's all good and you're right, but I don't understand the point if you're not allowed to keep any of a win that's unlikely in German casinos, because anything else would be social fraud. Of course nobody reports it, I realize that, I just find it sad that many people gamble away all their citizens' money in a frenzy and then have nothing left for the month, but the casino gets the money from the state in the form of the people who Deposit their citizens' money. I can even imagine that they indirectly make up for the taxes they have to pay with all the recipients of the citizen's allowance who gamble. For me, the German gambling law has failed on every conceivable level.

Perhaps the member is simply gambling for fun? so "social fraud" is bad? And what about your illegal gambling? Tax evasion in German? Is not an offense? What's the difference?


What is this double standard all about? Wanting to put yourself above other people but wanting to forbid others to do something but complaining about the alleged cancel/prohibition culture

Who gives a shit what the member thinks and what his intention is when he leaves his money in a brothel ?

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Druff
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:23 am CEST#34
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Zockerbernd wrote on 31.03.2025 at 10:15 am: A citizen's allowance recipient once told me he risks up to €250 a month because he doesn't care whether he only has €250 or €500, because you can't live on either and that's so sad he'd rather have €300 more a month on €500 citizen's allowance if things go well so that he can live better for a month and not be at subsistence level every day with the prices these days. you already need €15 a day for food.

You say you need up to €15 a day for food? So you're in favor of a significant increase in the citizen's income? According to the calculation sheet, a citizen's allowance recipient (I think I've read/heard) needs around €250 a month for food, which is a clear discrepancy to your €15 a day!


And in general, even if the story is true, is this one person, is he the emperor of all citizens' allowance recipients, who speaks for everyone?

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Zockerbernd
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:24 am CEST#35
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I say you're right and yes, I only play illegally, but I can afford it. I do it consciously and accept the penalty, but I don't let anyone dictate where I spend my money, especially if the offer is significantly worse. The German law should be banned because of monopoly, cartel and extortion. Playing unlicensed elsewhere should be allowed just like trying to escape from prison if you don't hurt anyone in the process, because it's basically the same thing.

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Donnie
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:30 am CEST#36
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If an application for further approval is pending or has to be extended, they may want to see bank statements, but not necessarily. It may be that they don't want anything at all or you have to fill out a statement of assets. Several months ago I saw one of these from someone else. They also ask if you use PayPal or crypto? You should keep everything away from your bank account that involves gambling. Use e-wallets. Even if you start a part-time job, you may have to submit bank statements

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Druff
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:32 am CEST#37
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Zockerbernd wrote on 31.03.2025 at 10:24: I say yes you are right and yes I only play illegally but I can afford it.

Maybe the member works, maybe he has savings? Maybe the story with his mother is really true, although I also assume that he gambled himself, but my gosh, do you always have to begrudge everything?


I'm more annoyed about the costs of the Bundestag and about the more than 100,000 employees of the Federal Employment Agency and the costs that arise from this, about the bureaucracy, about the estimated annual damage of 100 billion euros through tax evasion.

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Xavi22
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:36 am CEST#38
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500 euros to live on is more than enough if you do nothing.

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Zockerbernd
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31st Mar. 2025, at 10:38 am CEST#39
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Xavi22 wrote on 31.03.2025 at 10:36: 500 euros to live on is more than enough if you do nothing.

For a week or two you mean

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Donnie
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31st Mar. 2025, at 11:03 am CEST#40
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Druff wrote on March 31st, 2025 at 10:32 am:
Maybe the member works, maybe he has savings? Maybe the story with his mother is really true, although I also assume that he gambled himself, but my gosh, do you always have to begrudge everything?


I'm more annoyed about the costs of the Bundestag and about the more than 100,000 employees of the Federal Employment Agency and the costs that arise from this, about the bureaucracy, about the estimated annual damage of 100 billion euros through tax evasion.

What I am also annoyed about are the costs for clans or Eastern Europeans who make a killing here and also cost endless amounts of money through their criminal behavior. A normal unemployed person who puts his money back into the economy through rent, food, etc. is nothing in terms of costs, there are enough other people who harm the state, just by working illegally, etc. The federal government wastes vast amounts of money

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Xavi22
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31st Mar. 2025, at 11:49 am CEST#41
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Donnie wrote on March 31st, 2025 at 11:03 am:
What I am also annoyed about are the costs for clans or Eastern Europeans who take money here and also cost endless money through their criminal behavior. A normal unemployed person who puts his money back into the economy through rent, food, etc. is nothing in terms of costs, there are enough other people who harm the state just by working illegally, etc. The federal government wastes vast amounts of money. The federal government wastes vast amounts of money

I have to agree with you, but normal employees should continue to pay for everything in the future. Germany is getting worse and worse.

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XXLEONIDASXX
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31st Mar. 2025, at 02:25 pm CEST#42
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Druff wrote on 03/31/2025 09:57:
What is there to argue about? A large proportion of the recipients of the citizen's allowance are employed, but due to the largest low-wage sector in Europe, it is simply not enough.


Of course it's his money, or am I now allowed to decide about everyone who has received child benefit etc.?

Maybe the member has deposited 30 years and has been made redundant due to age and health, and then some run-of-the-mill person thinks it's his right to judge and dictate to him!

Imagine a member goes to a pub and drinks a beer and smokes, that would be a scandal 🤦

And yes, of course it's about the principle, what kind of person do you have to be to dare to do something like that


I'm right there with you!

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Falko
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31st Mar. 2025, at 02:29 pm CEST#43
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Comingsoon19 wrote on 31.03.2025 at 06:55: I can only advise against using PayPal for the Citizen's Income. The money from Paypal is then also counted towards the citizen's allowance.




But Paypal is certainly easy to conceal, unless a payment from the Paypal account to the bank account or vice versa can be seen on a bank statement that you have to present to the authorities? There is now also a Paypal Prepaid MasterCard where you can at least withdraw money directly from Paypal, so that it no longer has to be transferred to the bank account if you want to use this money.

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Falko
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31st Mar. 2025, at 02:59 pm CEST#44
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Zockerbernd wrote on 31.03.2025 at 10:15 am: A citizen's allowance recipient once told me he risks up to €250 a month because he doesn't care whether he only has €250 or €500 because you can't live on either and that's so sad he'd rather have €300 more a month on €500 citizen's allowance if things go well so that he can live better for a month and not be at the subsistence level every day with the prices these days. you already need €15 a day for food.

The fact that the Citizen's Income has fallen into such disrepute is only due to the Citizen's Income families with 3 or more children. With rent and all the trimmings, they come to around €5,000 (but only if they live in very expensive cities like Munich). And unfortunately this is then passed on to all recipients of citizen's allowance, although single people with rent usually don't even get to 1000 euros with all the trimmings. There is no longer any differentiation here, instead all recipients of citizen's allowance are lumped together in the same way and it feels like I'm hearing media agitation against recipients of citizen's allowance on a daily basis. People act as if there is only money to be found in this one group.

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frapi07
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31st Mar. 2025, at 03:29 pm CEST#45
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Falko wrote on 31.03.2025 at 14:59:

The fact that the citizen's allowance has fallen into such disrepute is only due to the citizen's allowance families with 3 or more children. With rent and all the trimmings, they come to around 5,000 euros (but only if they live in very expensive cities like Munich). And unfortunately this is then passed on to all recipients of citizen's allowance, although single people with rent usually don't even get to 1000 euros with all the trimmings. There is no longer any differentiation here, instead all recipients of citizen's allowance are lumped together in the same way and it feels like I'm hearing media agitation against recipients of citizen's allowance on a daily basis. People act as if there is only money to be found in this one group.

Well, in Nuremberg you pay at least €500 cold for a 1-room flat + €563 citizen's allowance and you're already over €1000. Nuremberg is certainly not as expensive as Munich xD Of course there are rents that are cheaper (especially in the east), but in the south you almost always crack the 1000€.

Regardless of the discussion, I also think it's good that people who receive this are also entitled to play. You can argue about whether it's morally reprehensible to lose money that you haven't earned yourself. I mean, it should be up to you whether you spend €50 a month on traffic or try your luck. But it's not worth it online anyway. If you do, then you should do it offline (it should be clear why).

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