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News & Notices: Payment of Citizen's Income account

Topic created on 28th Mar. 2025 | Page: 1 of 5 | Answers: 69 | Views: 2,561
Manni
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 01:59 pm CET#1
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Hi there, I have a problem again. My mother has been playing in the casino for years, unfortunately she is addicted but we have it under control. She goes to work and has 200€ a month for it. When the halls were closed because of Corona, she wanted to play in the online casino. But she doesn't have online banking so I opened an account for her and she deposits via my account. She tells me when she wants to play and then what she deposits, then she gets the tan from me and she can get started, it's been like that for years. Unfortunately I've been at home for
2 years at home due to health problems and receive a citizen's allowance. My mother had a payout of €2000 4 months ago, it went into my account. I then forwarded it directly to her as it was by real time transfer and also forwarded the casino win. To be honest, I didn't even think about the citizen's allowance. Now she won almost €9,000 4 days ago and wants to have it paid out . . Then my sister said that there would be problems with the Jobcenter if they saw it on the bank statements. I'm forwarding the sum in the same way and my mother would also confirm it. Pfff now I'm scared that they'll cancel everything when they see it on the statements and my mother is angry. It went badly .... You can't change the payment method or the bank account either, we've already asked. Do you have any ideas?

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upola
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 02:23 pm CET#2
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Is it even possible to Deposit and withdraw from someone else's account?
Normally this is not possible because the casino will make a fuss.

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Comingsoon19
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 02:34 pm CET#3
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If your job center sees this on your bank statements, you will certainly have to explain yourself. In the worst case, the payments will be deducted from your Citizen's Income. Regardless of whether your mother deposits money into your account or not.

And since you have written that the casino account is also in your name, it will be difficult to prove anything else. May I ask which casino your mother plays in? Because if they are illegal in Germany, you may have the next problem.

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Donnie
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 02:53 pm CET#4
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If you have to submit account statements and they see this, you will have to pay back the amount you have won. You should use e-wallets

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frapi07
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 03:43 pm CET#5
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He didn't keep the money for himself. He forwarded the payments. He can prove that.

I think if they ask, you can give the transfers to your mother as proof and they will accept it.

Unless your mother didn't transfer the money to his account beforehand, then you have nothing to worry about: Mummy transfers money to son's account > son deposits money into the casino > payout goes to son's account > son transfers the money to mummy.

However, if you played with your money (and she gave it to you in cash, for example), then you cannot prove that you made the online payment for her. Accordingly, it then looks as if you are playing in the casino. You can play, but you cannot win more than €100 per month. If you win more, you have to declare it.

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Donnie
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28th Mar. 2025, at 03:50 pm CET#6
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frapi07 wrote on 28.03.2025 at 15:43: He didn't keep the money for himself. He forwarded the payments. He can prove that.

I think if they ask, you can give the transfers to your mother as proof and they will accept it.

Unless your mother didn't transfer the money to his account beforehand, then you have nothing to worry about: Mom transfers money to son's account > son deposits money into casino > payout goes to son's account > son transfers money to mom.

However, if you played with your money (and she gave it to you in cash, for example), then you cannot prove that you made the online payment for her. Accordingly, it then looks as if you are playing in the casino. You can play, but you cannot win more than €100 per month. If you win more, you have to declare it.


Whoever believes it. It's also possible that he played himself and sent the wins directly to his mother's account. He won't get out of it as easily as you think

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frapi07
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 03:52 pm CET#7
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Donnie wrote on March 28, 2025 at 3:50 pm:

Whoever believes it. It could also be that he played himself and sent the wins directly to mom's account. He won't get out of it as easily as you think

That's right, I just remembered that he can't really prove that this transfer came from the casino. They always use a different IBAN than the depositors.

The TE can only hope that the JC doesn't ask for any statements for this period or that he pays it off in some other way.

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Manni
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 03:53 pm CET#8
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upola wrote on 28.03.2025 at 14:23: Is it even possible to Deposit and withdraw from someone else's account?
Normally that doesn't work because the casino then makes a fuss.

Hello, no, it's not someone else's account. She's playing through me, so to speak. She doesn't have online banking and can't deposit so we made one for her

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frapi07
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:03 pm CET#9
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Manni wrote on March 28, 2025 at 3:53 pm:

Hello, no it is not a foreign account . She plays through me, so to speak. She doesn't have online banking and can't Deposit so we made one for her

Then it looks to the JC as if you are gambling. I would have these €9,000 paid out using a different method. Find out about Jeton. Otherwise, you can only hope that they don't want to check your account during this period.

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Comingsoon19
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:11 pm CET#10
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frapi07 wrote on March 28th, 2025 at 4:03 pm:

Then it looks to the JC as if you are gambling. I would have these 9000€ paid out using a different method. Find out about Jeton. Otherwise, you can only hope that they don't want to check your account during this period.

That's exactly what it looks like. And I also don't think you can explain to the Jobcenter how the transfers from mom to mom to your account went. I hope everything turns out well for you. I don't really understand the background either. Your mother doesn't have online banking. If I've understood that correctly. Then she should still have registered at the casino herself and made depositors via Paysafe or something similar. Which casino is it?

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Shox2k17
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:18 pm CET#11
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frapi07 wrote on 28.03.2025 at 15:43: He didn't keep the money for himself. He forwarded the payments. He can prove that.

I think if they ask, you can give the transfers to your mother as proof and they will accept it.

Unless your mother didn't transfer the money to his account beforehand, then you have nothing to worry about: Mom transfers money to son's account > son deposits money into casino > payout goes to son's account > son transfers money to mom.

However, if you played with your money (and she gave it to you in cash, for example), then you cannot prove that you made the online payment for her. Accordingly, it then looks as if you are playing in the casino. You can play, but you cannot win more than €100 per month. If you win more, you have to declare it.


It's not as simple as you think. If things go really badly, there could be problems if the mother transfers money to his account. After all, he can't prove that the money is being used for his mother. Simply saying that mom doesn't have online banking and is a gambling addict doesn't interest them. And since the casino account is in his name, the Jobcenter could interpret it as his mother giving him money so that he can gamble online and, in the event of a win, offset the money and he would no longer receive citizen's allowance.


Honestly, I don't understand why so many people still use their bank accounts when there are so many problems with the banks. There are so many e-wallets with debit cards.

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frapi07
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:24 pm CET#12
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Shox2k17 wrote on March 28, 2025 at 4:18 pm:

It's not as simple as you think. If things go really badly, there could be problems if the mother transfers money to his account. He can't prove that the money is being used for his mother. Simply saying that mom doesn't have online banking and is a gambling addict doesn't interest them. And since the casino account is in his name, the Jobcenter could interpret it as his mother giving him money so that he can gamble online and, in the event of a win, offset the money and he would no longer receive citizen's allowance.


Honestly, I don't understand why so many people still use their bank accounts when there are so many problems with the banks. There are so many e-wallets with debit cards.

Yes, we now know that there is no second account. He makes the depositors for his mother. So it gives the impression that he's gambling.


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Shox2k17
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:28 pm CET#13
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That's right. He should try to open an e-wallet, make a Deposit and see if he can then use it to pay out.

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JJepsa96
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 04:54 pm CET#14
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Do not gamble on the account/name of others, this is also stated in the GTCs..

Only leads to problems in the long run, as you can see now.

Your mother should gamble in her own name, for her own account. It's not that difficult... and you can also secure it if you want...

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Olli_Eule
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Payment of Citizen's Income account

28th Mar. 2025, at 06:54 pm CET#15
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Actually, the Jobcenter only ever asks for bank statements for the last 3 months. And once every year. Then you could always withdraw a portion after these months. Then it wouldn't be noticed. It just takes a long time.

Only now the controls are to be tightened again by the new federal government. And then you don't know how often checks will be carried out.

It's all about you and your possible consequences, you're the one to blame in the end
Your mother should be aware of that too.

I hope that you will recover quickly when you are fit again in 1 or 2 years. Then I would wait until then to make the payment.



JJepsa96 wrote on 28.03.2025 at 16:54: Don't gamble on someone else's account/name, it's also in the terms and conditions..

Only leads to problems in the long run as you can see now.

Your mother should gamble in her own name, invoice and account. It's not that difficult... and you can also secure it if you want...



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