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Feedback: Suggestions for improvement and forum extensions all in here (Page 133)

Topic created on 06th May. 2017 | Page: 133 of 134 | Answers: 1,338 | Views: 225,330
frapi07
Elite
Langhans_innen wrote on 04.01.2025 at 19:27:

aaah, so it's only about abolishing the 2-month rule. I think almost everyone who responded (including me, of course) understood it differently Then my thesis would no longer apply, of course. We would now have to find out where this 2-month rule came from in the first place or why it was established in this way. You could abolish it for all I care....I don't really understand the reason behind it off the top of my head, but I've never thought about it either. But then my suggestion would be for everyone and without any regular guest bonuses.

I had already understood it correctly, but it would still be unfair. One group would find it easier to (re-)qualify, while the other would have to put in a lot more effort to (re-)qualify. It would make many users angry and the problem with the quality of the entries would also remain, as this rule only gives you advantages and many would probably want to achieve the minimum rank for this protection.

In principle, however, you are currently only missing out on a lottery for which you have to qualify if you want to qualify again afterwards. In Falke's case, for example, this is February, because he is allowed to take part in the lottery again in March. Annoying, but not the end of the world and certainly not that awesome unfair. Fairness in lotteries is a desirable topic anyway. It doesn't just apply here, but everywhere where anything is raffled off.

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Langhans_innen
Expert
frapi07 wrote on 04.01.2025 at 19:38:
I had already understood him correctly, but it would still involve unfairness. One group would find it easier to (re-)qualify, while the other would have to put in a lot more effort to (re-)qualify. It would make many users angry and the problem with the quality of the entries would also remain, as this rule would only give you advantages and many would probably want to achieve the minimum rank for this protection.

In principle, however, you are currently only missing out on a lottery for which you have to qualify if you want to qualify again afterwards. In Falke's case, for example, this is February, because he is allowed to take part in the lottery again in March. Annoying, but not the end of the world and certainly not that awesome unfair. Fairness in lotteries is a desirable topic anyway. It doesn't just apply here, but everywhere where anything is raffled off.

Gradually a few lights are coming on for me here....I'm even starting to understand the 2 month rule better thanks to you and Jjepsa

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Falke
Expert

Langhans_innen wrote on 04.01.2025 at 19:27:

aaah, so it's only about abolishing the 2-month rule. I think almost everyone who responded (including me, of course) understood it differently Then my thesis would no longer apply, of course. We would now have to find out where this 2-month rule came from in the first place or why it was established in this way. You could abolish it for all I care....I don't really understand the reason behind it off the top of my head, but I've never thought about it either. But then my suggestion would be for everyone and without any regular guest bonuses.

The 2 month rule should just have the sense that not countless new users participate and these qualify first, so to speak. However, I think this rule is excessive for regular users.

@frapi


There's nothing unfair about it. New users have to participate before they can take part in the prize draw. It has been the same with all lotteries so far, for example, that only users who have been registered since date XY and have at least so and so many points have been admitted.
According to your logic, it would also be unfair that not all new registrations were allowed to take part in the Christmas raffle.

And there can be no question of "fairness" anyway if you are just as much in the lottery with a few picture uploads and 100 congratulations under the winning pictures as someone who writes long and constructive posts in the forum and perhaps missed the lottery by just 100 or 200 points.

The 2-month rule is simply not fair for long-time active users. Especially because the regular users certainly don't post here because of the lottery, but a lot of picture uploaders are only here because of the lottery. And yes, that is a fact. I and certainly many regular users would continue to post here even if there was no lottery. The congratulators under the pictures and the picture uploaders would probably not be here as often.


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Deadspin
Experienced
Has the idea of "RTP monitoring" ever been considered? It has already been suggested several times.

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frapi07
Elite

Falke wrote on 04.01.2025 at 19:52:


@frapi


There's nothing unfair about that. New users have to participate before they can take part in the prize draw. It has been the same with all lotteries so far, for example, that only users who have been registered since date XY and have at least so and so many points have been admitted.
According to your logic, it would also be unfair that not all new registrations were allowed to take part in the Christmas raffle.

And there can be no question of "fairness" anyway if you are just as much in the lottery with a few picture uploads and 100 congratulations under the winning pictures as someone who writes long and constructive posts in the forum and perhaps missed the lottery by just 100 or 200 points.

The 2-month rule is simply not fair for long-time active users. Especially because the regular users certainly don't post here because of the lottery, but a lot of picture uploaders are only here because of the lottery. And yes, that is a fact. I and certainly many regular users would continue to post here even if there was no lottery. The congratulators under the pictures and the picture uploaders would probably not be here as often.



There was also the issue of "fairness" in the Advent calendar. Some people complained that the random generator selected some users several times, while others were drawn zero or once. I also shared my opinion on this there: The lottery is a lottery. A competition involves the word luck and where luck is involved, there can be no fairness.

In the Christmas prize draw, the time period was kept very humane (" Member account created at GambleJoe before November 15, 2024 "). The fact that users who register here shortly or during the lottery are no longer accepted is logically considered prevention for the other users. I don't find anything unfair about that.

I understand the problem you are addressing and I also view this behavior of some users with a critical eye, but GJ also benefits from it. Whether they benefit equally, much more or much less than a forum post I don't know. But imagine if the forum activity was made much more attractive than the other activities. The other activities would be neglected and the quality of the forum posts would possibly also suffer.


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Falke
Expert

frapi07 wrote on 04.01.2025 at 20:07:

There was also the issue of "fairness" in the advent calendar. Some people complained that the random generator selected some users several times, while some were drawn zero or once. I also shared my opinion on this there: The lottery is a lottery. A competition involves the word luck and where luck is involved, there can be no fairness.

In the Christmas prize draw, the time period was kept very humane (" Member account created at GambleJoe before November 15, 2024 "). The fact that users who register here shortly or during the lottery are no longer accepted is logically considered prevention for the other users. I don't find anything unfair about that.

I understand the problem you are addressing and I also view this behavior of some users with a critical eye, but GJ also benefits from it. Whether they benefit equally, much more or much less than a forum post I don't know. But imagine if the forum activity was made much more attractive than the other activities. The other activities would be neglected and the quality of the forum posts might also suffer.



My God. Do you always have to make such a fuss about every topic? It's always the same. Someone brings something up and then you come along and always have to see everything differently and go into the smallest detail until the topic is so talked about that there's no point in going into it any further.


The 2-month rule makes no sense for long-time users. Period. Or rather: I don't feel like it. I don't wait another 2 months for the lottery just because I was busy at work and "only" managed 500 points instead of 750. I don't constantly look at how many points I have and in some months I even have 1500 points or more. So I don't get anything twice.

I've already invested so much time in this forum and I get 15 points for a post with 10 paragraphs that takes me half an hour to write, just like someone who leaves a burp in the chat corner or tells us in the food thread that they ate pork sausages with ketchup today. I don't think it's too much to ask that this stupid 2-month rule be lifted and only applied to newcomers. I don't care how "unfair" that would supposedly be towards newcomers. There is nothing unfair about making different demands on newcomers than on long-established members who have already proven a hundred times that they are certainly not here for the lottery and have written many good posts for the sake of the topic and not for a few euros. It's simply a matter of principle that you don't apply the same standards to these users as you do to picture uploaders or newcomers.

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JJepsa96
Rookie

Falke wrote on 04.01.2025 at 20:59:

My God. Do you always have to make such a fuss about every topic. It's always the same. Someone brings something up and then you come along and always have to see everything differently and go into the smallest detail until the topic is so talked about that it makes no sense to go into it any further.


The 2-month rule makes no sense for long-time users. Period. Or rather: I don't feel like it. I don't wait another 2 months for the lottery just because I was busy at work and "only" managed 500 points instead of 750. I don't constantly look at how many points I have and in some months I even have 1500 points or more. So I don't get anything twice.

I've already invested so much time in this forum and I get 15 points for a post with 10 paragraphs that takes me half an hour to write, just like someone who leaves a burp in the chat corner or tells us in the food thread that they ate pork sausages with ketchup today. I don't think it's too much to ask that this stupid 2-month rule be lifted and only applied to newcomers. I don't care how "unfair" that would supposedly be towards newcomers. There is nothing unfair about making different demands on newcomers than on long-established members who have already proven a hundred times that they are certainly not here for the lottery and have written many good posts for the sake of the topic and not for a few euros. It's simply a matter of principle that you don't apply the same standards to these users as you do to picture uploaders or newcomers.


You have your point of view, others (including regular users) see it differently.


Everyone who is active scores points in his/her own way. Arbitrarily criticizing other people's methods just because you simply "slept" in December is questionable whether this is helpful.

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frapi07
Elite
Falke wrote on 04.01.2025 at 20:59:

My God. Do you always have to make such a fuss about every topic. It's always the same. Someone brings something up and then you come along and always have to see everything differently and go into the smallest detail until the topic is so talked about that it makes no sense to go into it any further.


The 2-month rule makes no sense for long-time users. Period. Or rather: I don't feel like it. I don't wait another 2 months for the lottery just because I was busy at work and "only" managed 500 points instead of 750. I don't constantly look at how many points I have and in some months I even have 1500 points or more. So I don't get anything twice.

I've already invested so much time in this forum and I get 15 points for a post with 10 paragraphs that takes me half an hour to write, just like someone who leaves a burp in the chat corner or tells us in the food thread that they ate pork sausages with ketchup today. I don't think it's too much to ask that this stupid 2-month rule be lifted and only applied to newcomers. I don't care how "unfair" that would supposedly be towards newcomers. There is nothing unfair about making different demands on newcomers than on long-established members who have already proven a hundred times that they are certainly not here for the lottery and have written many good posts for the sake of the topic and not for a few euros. It's simply a matter of principle that you don't apply the same standards to these users as you do to picture uploaders or newcomers.


I'm not opening a can of worms. You may not realize it at the moment, but you're opening a can of worms here just because you can't take part in the upcoming lottery. I even understand your criticism and can understand why you think it's unfair, but your proposed solution isn't ideal. You want to favor users in one way while at the same time disadvantaging other users - your main argument is fairness. As a result, others would also be treated unfairly. This would not solve the "fairness" problem. Do you understand why I don't think your proposal is optimal?

You are also mixing in other points of criticism, some of which I also support, but which have nothing to do with the 2-month rule itself. A one-liner is evaluated in the same way as a helpful and long comment. I also see it as a point of criticism, but that's the rules of the game. I don't write long posts to be compensated, but to report and, in the best case, to help. What exactly does this point of criticism have to do with the 2-month rule?

Be that as it may, GJ will certainly discuss this internally soon and then make a statement. Whether we like it or not will not influence GJ's decision. So I don't understand why you can't give your opinion on this.

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danny005
Elite
Is it a bug that in some threads the last page is simply empty?

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Nik89
Experienced

danny005 wrote on 04.01.2025 at 22:34: Is it a bug that in some threads the last page is simply empty?

Yes, it's the same for me

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