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Player cheating at partypoker? - Hand history not visible
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I have a suspicion that a player is cheating at partypoker. The support sends me only standard emails in which it says - fair game blabla.
Only I have been in the Poker business for 15 years and know what I am talking about.
The hand history is strangely not visible. Neither a hand ID is displayed to me, nor can I load a player. The support says to uninstall the software. Which of course is bullshit, because the website also shows the same.
Here's what happened. Late stage of a tournament.
8 players at the table. Blind 5000/10,000
Me : Chip count around 220,000 chips. KQ
Player 1 raises to 25,000
Player 2 calls
Player 3 calls (small blind)
I in the big blind call as well
Flop 10, K, 7 rainbow
Player 3 is first to act and bets 45,000 chips
I go all in with about 200,000 chips
The other players fold
Player 3 calls without a second thought and shows A8
The A comes immediately on the turn and I'm out of the Tournament
And no, this is not a bad beat
Player 3's play makes ZERO sense. He bets UTG (so first) against three other players with absolutely NOTHING
He immediately calls an all-in with absolutely NOTHING
This player was playing somewhat reasonably before this.
I am absolutely certain that this player had some insight into the cards
No matter how many times I think through it, everything else makes no sense
And now my hand history is not viewable, the hand ID is gone, and support is talking trash and blaming it on software issues, etc
If anyone here knows about poker, what do you guys say about this hand?
And please really only people who have a little idea of the matter. A, the player has just played badly and had luck, I do not need. Because it is not about that, but about the course of the hand and the completely illogical action of player 3. The hand was not badly played, it was played so the player knew how the hand ends
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I'd say that's not a mega uncommon play in tournaments with buyins <$10. I see worse every day
His stack might still be interesting.
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Well, I've been playing for 15 years, and I've also been involved in Poker professionally. This hand is completely unusual
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The problem is that not only common players participate in it. I saw this almost every day when I was active
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What I meant was that this kind of play is not uncommon. It's a common occurrence. I'm not saying he played it well. And someone like you, who apparently has something to do with poker professionally, should be happy about these players. And as I said, you see much worse plays at the tables every day
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I don't get it. This is not about one badly played hand. There are enough of them.
This is about the hand flow. A halfway decent playing user bets against 3 players and then calls an all in with nothing?
And by chance the thing then ends well for him?
No, you show me the hand that is similar.
Sorry if I have to say it like that. But that's exactly what I meant by, I don't want any platitudes from casual players, but an analysis from someone who knows a bit better.
'' Is just a bad player'' brings me exactly nothing. Especially because this hand has nothing to do with a bad game. This hand makes no sense from beginning to end.
A badly played hand still makes sense somewhere and you can understand what the player wanted to achieve, even if mathematically it was a bad decision.
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The player has not "gambled" here. The hand doesn't match his previous play either. The only reason for this play can ONLY be that he had insight into the hands and the further course of the cards
My guess is a player using software, or a bot that is directly from partypoker
And I say that as someone who otherwise does not believe in Manipulation at all
You can't play this hand like this without inside knowledge. Not even the worst player plays this hand like this. That is a fact. And on top of that, this player was not a bad player
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You're taking a bit of a pass here, I must say. I'm certainly not a "casual gamer", but I certainly don't have to prove anything to anyone here.
I doubt more and more that you have anything to do with Poker, let alone professionally.
If you did, you would know that it is very important to know how big the chipstacks of all four people are. Also the buyin and the price jump would be interesting.
We can go into detail here if you like. He's in the sb and repping probably a 70% hand range here. Depending on how loose he is, maybe even any 2. With his bet he could theoretically want to symbolize 89s or QJs here. He is almost successful with it.
Depending on how the other players are on scared money, this even makes half sense. Calling your all in is humbuk, of course. But again, his stack plays a big role here. If he plays here himself for tourney life, I'm with you and it's really strange. Maybe missclick? On the other hand, if he has 100 BB and he assumes 89 or QJ with you, he is also not so behind
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Such movs I have also already brought ... if I had no more desire or time and it has now no 25$ or more buy in cost ... already tried to download the hand history?
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