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Off topic & small talk: Temu and Co (Page 4)

Topic created on 03rd Aug. 2024 | Page: 4 of 4 | Answers: 56 | Views: 2,461
Patizi
Elite

Stromberg wrote on 06.08.2024 at 16:04:

True won't happen because too many have your attitude.

And mine too, as I said, I'm also a comfortable person.

I just try to avoid the companies that always have to go one better and throw even cheaper shit on the market, to the detriment of the environment, people and, last but not least, health.

Just keep accepting everything as a given, you're welcome, but I don't need advice on how to spend my few years either. 😄

Yes, and that's exactly why you should let go. You're not going to change it. Just accept that a lot of people have this attitude. You're not going to change the world and the sooner you understand and accept that, the sooner you'll live a calmer life and stop worrying about things like that.


As far as the environment is concerned, if it becomes too much for the earth, it will get in touch and clean it up

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Falke
Expert
What is being forgotten in the whole discussion here: What would happen if, from one day to the next, nobody bought products made in low-cost countries?
All the people already living in poverty would be completely deprived of their livelihoods. Millions of people would be affected.

What really goes against my grain and should be abolished immediately is that in many Chinese and American prisons, some of the prisoners make products for big brands. They really are unpaid slaves. And I'm not talking about murderers here, where you could still say they didn't deserve it any other way. There are also a lot of people in prison who haven't really done anything bad, and in China in particular there are also a lot of political prisoners.

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Justin
Amateur
Blubbo33 wrote on 07.08.2024 at 12:12 pm:

I seriously wonder how you walk around or what your apartment looks like when everything is just junk ?


What brand of cell phone do you own or what brand is your car?

That sounds a lot like a moralizer, of course you are right in some points, but at the same time you are exaggerating!


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I have it great here, toes in the sand, cold drink in hand, except for work my need for shorts, loafers and T-shirt pretty much stops. Work clothes are usually tailored. probably by nimble, underpaid little fingers who sew by day and dance in the pole bar by night...
Rush-Guard, BCD and Fins are definitely part of my casual wardrobe though.

I'm the opposite of a moralizer, but I don't mind paying less for something than some clueless do-gooders.

I have nothing against China either. I've been living and working in Southeast Asia for about 10 months a year for 20 years.
I don't need a car here, a moped is perfectly adequate, and there are always boats between the 7,000 islands. I fly to client meetings anyway.

... but never mind, please explain to me where I've exaggerated


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L****e

Falke wrote on 07.08.2024, at 04:13 pm: What is being forgotten in the whole discussion here: What would happen if, from one day to the next, nobody bought products made in low-cost countries?
All the people already living in poverty would be completely deprived of their livelihoods. Millions of people would be affected.

What really goes against my grain and should be abolished immediately is that in many Chinese and American prisons, some of the prisoners make products for big brands. They really are unpaid slaves. And I'm not talking about murderers here, where you could still say they didn't deserve it any other way. There are also a lot of people in prison who haven't really done anything bad, and in China in particular there are also a lot of political prisoners.

You bring up an important point about the potential impact on people in low-cost countries if we suddenly stopped buying products made there. It’s true that millions of people rely on these jobs for their livelihoods, and a sudden shift could have devastating consequences for those already living in poverty. The issue is incredibly complex, and finding a solution that balances fair wages and working conditions with sustainable economic opportunities is crucial.
Regarding prison labor, I completely agree with you that the situation is deeply concerning, especially when it involves forced labor and exploitation. Using prisoners, particularly political prisoners or those who have committed minor offenses, as unpaid laborers is a violation of human rights. This form of modern slavery, whether it happens in China, the U.S., or elsewhere, needs to be addressed and condemned.
The challenge is to find ways to create ethical labor practices and fair wages globally without harming the most vulnerable populations. It's a difficult balance, but it’s one worth striving for, and it starts with raising awareness and pushing for transparency and accountability from companies and governments.
Thanks for highlighting these issues—these are conversations we need to be having more often!


MisterL
Expert

Stromberg wrote on 06.08.2024 at 15:05:
Regarding Prime, yes the offer was already better. Especially the advertising when streaming is a cheek.
However, I still get most of the things I order shipped for free and very quickly.
Expecting that for 8 euros or whatever a month you get every delivery for free the next day is another one of those things that makes me scratch my head. Although, admittedly, it was Amazon and not the customer who came up with this.


yes, as long as the working citizen goes along with it


believe the stupid people up there have no idea that they are all on the line

and when the purchasing power gets less and less

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Falke
Expert

Luckyace wrote on 04.09.2024 at 14:37:

You raise an important point, which is the potential impact on people in low-wage countries if we suddenly stopped buying products made there. It's true that millions of people depend on these jobs for their livelihoods, and a sudden change could have devastating consequences for those already living in poverty. The problem is incredibly complex, and it's important to find a solution that balances fair wages and working conditions with sustainable economic opportunities.
As for prison labor, I completely agree with you that the situation is very concerning, especially when it comes to forced labor and exploitation. The betting of prisoners, especially political prisoners or those who have committed minor crimes, as unpaid labor is a violation of human rights. This form of modern slavery, whether it occurs in China, the US or elsewhere, must be addressed and condemned.
The challenge is to find ways to create ethical labor practices and fair wages worldwide without harming the most vulnerable populations. It's a difficult balancing act, but it's worth striving for, and it starts with raising awareness and pushing for transparency and accountability from companies and governments.
Thank you for drawing attention to these issues - these are conversations we need to have more often!



I can't for the life of me understand why you're using chat GPT here to reply on a forum? Shouldn't a forum be about personal exchanges where everyone expresses their own opinions rather than having chat GPT write a reply?

What's the point?

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roccoammo11
Expert

Falke wrote on 07.08.2024 at 16:13: What is forgotten in the whole discussion here: What would happen if, overnight, nobody bought products made in low-cost countries anymore?
All the people already living in poverty would be completely deprived of their livelihoods. Millions of people would be affected.

What really goes against my grain and should be abolished immediately is that in many Chinese and American prisons, some of the prisoners make products for big brands. They really are unpaid slaves. And I'm not talking about murderers here, where you could still say they didn't deserve it any other way. There are also a lot of people in prison who haven't really done anything bad, and especially in China there are a lot of political prisoners.

It's better than sitting alone in your cell for 23 hours a day in Germany...at least the time passes...you're not completely isolated and alone...many people are kept busy and there are certainly fewer outbreaks of violence as a result...

difficult topic...
definitely better than child labor

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Saphira
Expert
I asked ChatGPT how likely it is that the above text was written by ChatGPT. That was the answer:

"It is entirely possible that this text was written by ChatGPT. The content is factual, reflects complex social issues and shows an awareness of ethical issues, which is typical of the kind of responses I can give. The text addresses important aspects such as the impact on people in low-wage countries and the issue of forced labor, which indicates an informed engagement with these issues."

I wouldn't have noticed this off the top of my head and of course I don't know whether this is actually the case, but the text is indeed - as is typical of ChatGPT - formulated as if from a single source and without errors. That could be an indication But I think it's legitimate to post such texts here too. Unless I've missed something. Of course, it would be nicer and more personal if I formulated it myself.

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Falke
Expert

Saphira wrote on 04.09.2024 at 16:05: I asked ChatGPT what the probability is that the above text was written by ChatGPT. That was the answer:

"It is quite possible that this text was written by ChatGPT. The content is factual, reflects complex social issues and shows an awareness of ethical issues, which is typical of the kind of responses I can give. The text addresses important aspects such as the impact on people in low-wage countries and the issue of forced labor, which indicates an informed engagement with these issues."

I wouldn't have noticed this off the top of my head and of course I don't know whether this is actually the case, but the text is indeed - as is typical of ChatGPT - formulated as if from a single source and without errors. That could be an indication But I think it's legitimate to post such texts here too. Unless I've missed something. Of course, it would be nicer and more personal if I wrote it myself.

I have now inserted the text into several AI detectors. Result: All three AI detectors showed between 90% and 100% probability that the text is from Chat-GPT.


But that wasn't actually necessary. I, at least, immediately notice when an AI has written a text. Especially if it is not even edited. It's just a string of platitudes, with choppy, meaningless sentences, and the words used are also fluffy and just read horribly.

Imagine if everyone here only replied with chat GPT. Don't think that's the point of a forum.

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roccoammo11
Expert
would be funny if all the hate comments were paraphrased in such a flowery way

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Saphira
Expert

Falke wrote on 04.09.2024 at 16:19:

I have now pasted the text into several AI detectors. Result: All three AI detectors showed between 90% and 100% probability that the text is from Chat-GPT.


But that wasn't actually necessary. I, at least, immediately notice when an AI has written a text. Especially if it is not even edited. It's just a string of platitudes, with choppy, meaningless sentences, and the words used are also fluffy and just read horribly.

Imagine if everyone here only replied with chat GPT. Don't think that should be the point of a forum.

I hardly ever deal with ChatGPT, which is why I don't recognize such texts straight away, but I'll keep an eye out if I come across another one that combines the characteristics you describe. I also didn't know that there was an AI detector. I'm rather suspicious of the whole AI topic, which is why I like to avoid it. In this respect, I agree with you and believe that no AI text could ever compare with or replace a good, personally written contribution, because the personal aspect is simply missing.


To say something else about Temu: I didn't know the concept at all and was made aware of it by a friend a few weeks ago. He was downright euphoric and showed me all the clothes he had ordered there. These included two jackets for 30 euros each, supposedly made from genuine nappa and cowhide leather. It smelled like leather, it felt like leather, but I was very skeptical because of the low price. Temu definitely triggered a kind of shopping addiction in my buddy.

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R3hab
Elite
Temu advertises too aggressively, it's a pain in the ass but at least you hit the Jackpot every time 😂 But it can quickly become an addiction, especially if you fall for their tricks
Like those free items or money back etc

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