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Off topic & small talk: Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team (Page 9)

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Anonym

Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

10th Jul. 2018, at 11:14 pm CEST#81
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He comes back with a new nickname until the whole garbage starts all over again.

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s****e

Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

10th Jul. 2018, at 11:29 pm CEST#82
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No, I certainly don't hate GJ, or I would have left already. But I'm happy to explain.

I remember the LaBoy case. As I'm sure you remember, I had a lot of run-ins with him..
with him very often. He was banned at some point, got another short chance to apologize, and then was
to apologize, and then was permanently banned. Just in time came an explanation on your part,
why, why, why. Everything is in order.

This time a user with multiple accounts successfully tried to rip off PSC. And not only with you,
but also from members here. Not all of them speak out, unfortunately
In addition, he has cheated Avantgarde for 400€, and you also had to pay a lesson.

After Avantgarde published his story here, the mood already boiled up very high.
It must have been clear to you that you are on thin ice to give Hammer another chance
to give Hammer another chance. You saw the mood here, the accusations against Hammer, but you still didn't get around to
Afternoon to make a statement. You could have done that
earlier. Of course, none of you have to stay awake all night, but on this subject it would definitely have been better to make a statement first
would have been better to make a statement first. Your argumentation, you wanted to give him a fair chance,
was already doomed to failure

In this statement, you have given Hammer a chance, if the forum here reacts
reacts accordingly.

It is completely incomprehensible for me to give such a user any chance at all.
First, he has caused great uncertainty here, what his accounts are now and probably also
and probably in the future, and secondly he cheated us all
I don't know what else a user should do here to get banned. Since I hold spammen
or begging threads but by far still for the more pleasant variant here. But there will be rigorously enforced.
And then you want to seriously tell us that Hammer deserves a second chance? Yes what should a
User still do????

How many more should he cheat until there is a crackdown?
Quite apart from the fact that there is great uncertainty here, because everyone now distrusts everyone.

I can't understand it, that's all

And not everyone would have gotten a second chance with you, that you know yourself!
Not with such misconduct.

And that it was a mistake to release him again, I hear now for the first time.
That would have belonged actually already in the first statement, then it would have in the connection with
Certainly it would not have gone on so.

Furthermore, you had written that you are in active email correspondence with him.
Therefore, no one knows what moved you to give him another chance
to give him another chance. The he everything and everyone vollsülzt and anlügt, was you already before known

And if loyal users like Ronny and also Avantgarde express themselves in spite of his break in such a way, then it lies
it is not because of my written. They can all make up their own minds and are not stupid
not stupid

You have brought yourselves into this situation. And that you are so naive, really to think,
that the forum would react differently, I just can't believe it. These reactions were absolutely
predictable










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watchingyou

Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

10th Jul. 2018, at 11:41 pm CEST#83
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Stromberg wrote on 07/09/2018 at 10:12 PM
Doesn't that distort your observations if we have that in mind?😉
Anyway, if you really are who you write now, have fun observing.😎

I will have, the case is taking unexpected turns here right now. Please believe me, dear Stromberg, I was thinking something, otherwise I would not have written here.

I think the discussion here is pretty funny overall. Many of you used to be friends of Hammerdammer, defended him and argued with him. The long sympathies of the community are always pointed out by others as well. It's funny that this fact that several refer to no longer applies here. I can well imagine that you are more likely to help someone you have worked with for a longer time than someone who has not yet "accomplished" anything. It's no different at the university than it is here. Hammerdammer, according to my research, was one of the oldest members and has accumulated a relatively large number of points (rightly or not, it remains to be seen).

BTW: It only came to the lottery because all the "old ones" were upset that the new members could collect points too easily by game ratings, etc. Partially found long before but contributions that one finds the points ratings for games so okay, because then also new users can collect points quickly. How money but the views changed, especially among players.

Is that why people are allowed to cheat other members? No, certainly not. But in the end the thing between Hammerdammer and Avantgarde83 happened between the two. Regarding the wins by first the highest scores and then also the lotteries, I can only say that it is not surprising that the operators do not consider this as cheating. In the end, in a lottery, I wouldn't care who I gave what too. The main thing is that he registers with the casinos and deposits. The Paysafe cards are certainly a gift, but it is yet calculated that they pay off safely. Be it through activity in the forum or by depositing with the cards in the casino. For the operator of the forum it doesn't matter in the end if one person signs up and plays in 5 different casinos or 5 players in 5 casinos - the result can be the same (financially). Strictly speaking, this is not considered fraud, because ultimately the money was not taken directly from any member, but a gift was appropriated by the operators partly illegally (duplicate profiles are prohibited only since the new terms of use, which existed only at the end of May). Before that it was not forbidden.

Do not understand this now as an accusation. In the end, the ruble must roll. I work at the university and can tell you a thing or two about it. Research funds are cut because you don't publish enough or because other disciplines offer better opportunities or something similar. That's why you have to take into account the fact that you were able to expand and survive for years despite a volatile market, and that you even managed to expand. Certainly not everything is perfect here, but take a look at other forums. I've seen marketing interns get the runaround and just post links of some sort. There hardly new members followed, the straw bales rolled over the screen. There was no trace of any troublemakers, but they can be found in many other places.

About the duplicate profiles and Hawkk: I must confess that I spend a lot of time looking at the language and looking for duplicate profiles because I find it exciting. In the end, I can't assess what the technical possibilities are. In the meantime, you can disguise your IP address, so I think the chances of a technical audit are extremely slim, especially since under new data protection law you don't necessarily want to store more data than you have to.

From the language alone, it is not always possible to judge without a doubt whether members are the same. I myself sometimes need more than 10 contributions from two users for comparison, which must then also contain more than "Great win", "Boah Awesome" or "Jo, so I see it too". Overall, it is difficult, so I would not have been sure with Lisa33, for example. So it takes time to be completely sure and not accuse members with false accusations. Finally, I know many students who live in shared flats and share an internet connection. Sure usually they don't have the same computer or whatever you can pin it on, but ultimately most don't have a Gambling addiction problem either. If you claim something like that, you have to be quite sure that it's true.

Hawkk is a good example of users who were probably a second profile but disguised themselves well. If you look at what he wrote, they were mostly short posts on the forum. He wrote a bit more in the casino reviews, although these were also relatively differentiated and tailored to the casino in question. When analyzing the language, I noticed at the time that he uses idioms that are used more in southern Germany. For this reason, I ruled out a relationship with Hammerdammer at the time. In the end, he was gone as quickly as he came. Which is not surprising in view of how disrespectfully he was sometimes hostile for no reason after the action at that time. To this day, I can't say for sure whose double profile he was, simply because the data is too poor. In the end, you need concrete evidence.

With the four profiles of Hammerdammer, one can prove this well. But he also acted very stupidly, which can be seen once again in the ending here (which makes it more and more doubtful for me whether he was Hawkk). What a guy? Faces criticism, wants to turn his life around 180 degrees and just tucks tail like a little puppy looking for his mommy. Maybe the operators saw it as a kind of test to see if he really wants to change - there are many reasons. I think that a satisfactory solution would have meant a good end for all parties and that here the GAU has occurred, because the player has once again played high Poker and in the end lost everything - that should know many here but.

Did Hammerdammer deserve a second chance? Yes, he ultimately cheated the operators above all, who could seemingly come to terms with it if the framework conditions were right. What they had in mind was said here. Did he deliver on it? No, but ultimately he has until tomorrow, so wait and see, don't always nip everything in the bud. Maybe he still apologizes for the incidents as PiaMia221, maybe he still talks to Avantgarde83 - the purification can always come.

To Avantgarde83: Do you actually have a wife? You are a school teacher, then we are colleagues in a way. I would never have made it public that I'm a teacher and play in the casino at the same time. I find it odd how you peddle this (former) transgression like this. Nor does it say that you gamble during class because the pre-holiday season has just begun. Don't your relatives notice your gambling? If I were your wife/girlfriend, I would have given you, as they say among men so nicely, "a punch in the neck", so that you finally run round again, do not meet with addicts and stop gambling.

To all others: Some members who have spoken up on the subject have other profiles themselves and are again blaming it on other members. I think that the operators will notice it and partly have to stand in front of the computers shaking their heads (in the metaphorical sense), as long as they are still lucid and don't get infected by the members. This should perhaps be kept in mind when denouncing other users. Can anyone actually give me specific cases of users who were immediately banned after one bad behavior?

You can never be sure with whom you are writing on the Internet, because everything is more anonymous. You won't find real friends in a gambling forum either. That can happen in real life, too. Sometimes students come into my room needing help, which you give them, and in the end you realize it was wasted time because the student wasn't actually up for it. Is he cheating me, for sure, because a student should strive for better or more knowledge. Am I still upset about it today? No, it costs too many nerves. Does such a disappointment happen after several years? Yes, sometimes, but then it does. Life goes on. Does that diminish my trust in the university as an institution? No, it can't do anything for its students, and it can't kick them all out right away. Is my trust in the students gone? No, because in the end every student is different and can disappoint or surprise you.

From now on, I'll just read, I think that's enough. By the way, I have set in the profile that I do not want to participate in lotteries, would perhaps also be a relief for many here.

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RiverSong
Legend

Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

10th Jul. 2018, at 11:42 pm CEST#84
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@matthias
have suggested a solution to you by pn

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Anonym

Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

11th Jul. 2018, at 12:03 am CEST#85
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watchingyou wrote on 07/10/2018 at 23:41
I will have, the case is taking unexpected turns here right now. Please believe me, dear Stromberg, I was thinking something, otherwise I would not have written here.

I think the discussion here is pretty funny overall. Many of you used to be friends of Hammerdammer, defended him and argued with him. The long sympathies of the community are always pointed out by others as well. It's funny that this fact that several refer to no longer applies here. I can well imagine that you are more likely to help someone you have worked with for a longer time than someone who has not yet "accomplished" anything. It's no different at the university than it is here. Hammerdammer, according to my research, was one of the oldest members and has accumulated a relatively large number of points (rightly or not, it remains to be seen).

BTW: It only came to the lottery because all the "old ones" were upset that the new members could collect points too easily by game ratings, etc. Partially found long before but contributions that one finds the points ratings for games so okay, because then also new users can collect points quickly. How money but the views changed, especially among players.

Is that why people are allowed to cheat other members? No, certainly not. But in the end the thing between Hammerdammer and Avantgarde83 happened between the two. Regarding the wins by first the highest scores and then also the lotteries, I can only say that it is not surprising that the operators do not consider this as cheating. In the end, in a lottery, I wouldn't care who I gave what too. The main thing is that he registers with the casinos and deposits. The Paysafe cards are certainly a gift, but it is yet calculated that they pay off safely. Be it through activity in the forum or by depositing with the cards in the casino. For the operator of the forum it doesn't matter in the end if one person signs up and plays in 5 different casinos or 5 players in 5 casinos - the result can be the same (financially). Strictly speaking, this is not considered fraud, because ultimately the money was not taken directly from any member, but a gift was appropriated by the operators partly illegally (duplicate profiles are prohibited only since the new terms of use, which existed only at the end of May). Before that it was not forbidden.

Do not understand this now as an accusation. In the end, the ruble must roll. I work at the university and can tell you a thing or two about it. Research funds are cut because you don't publish enough or because other disciplines offer better opportunities or something similar. That's why you have to take into account the fact that you were able to expand and survive for years despite a volatile market, and that you even managed to expand. Certainly not everything is perfect here, but take a look at other forums. I've seen marketing interns get the runaround and just post links of some sort. There hardly new members followed, the straw bales rolled over the screen. There was no trace of any troublemakers, but they can be found in many other places.

About the duplicate profiles and Hawkk: I must confess that I spend a lot of time looking at the language and looking for duplicate profiles because I find it exciting. In the end, I can't assess what the technical possibilities are. In the meantime, you can disguise your IP address, so I think the chances of a technical audit are extremely slim, especially since under new data protection law you don't necessarily want to store more data than you have to.

From the language alone, it is not always possible to judge without a doubt whether members are the same. I myself sometimes need more than 10 contributions from two users for comparison, which must then also contain more than "Great win", "Boah Awesome" or "Jo, so I see it too". Overall, it is difficult, so I would not have been sure with Lisa33, for example. So it takes time to be completely sure and not accuse members with false accusations. Finally, I know many students who live in shared flats and share an internet connection. Sure usually they don't have the same computer or whatever you can pin it on, but ultimately most don't have a Gambling addiction problem either. If you claim something like that, you have to be quite sure that it's true.



To Avantgarde83: Do you actually have a wife? You're a school teacher, so in a way we're colleagues. I would never have made it public that I'm a teacher and gamble at the casino at the same time. I find it odd how you peddle this (former) transgression like this. Nor does it say that you gamble during class because the pre-holiday season has just begun. Don't your relatives notice your gambling? If I were your wife/girlfriend, I would have given you, as they say among men so nicely, "a punch in the neck", so that you finally run round again, do not meet with addicts and stop gambling.


All these things are none of your business. Creepy enough how you analyze people here. I am out of here. Have fun ðŸ'ŒðŸ¼

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MisterL
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Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

11th Jul. 2018, at 12:48 am CEST#86
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L O L !!!!!!!!

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M****3

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11th Jul. 2018, at 01:06 am CEST#87
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So I have now waited a long time but now I give my two cents I have to say I think it's really brazen of you to exploit people to satisfy your Gambling addiction I do not want to know what you have done in real life but I know a context in real life also contributes to the fact that one is addicted to gambling but I will not go into it in more detail i just want to know if you will pay back the money you borrowed from the users in the future because I don't like it if you don't do that I hope you finally woke up and turned your back on gambling it's nice that you made a new start but I still recommend you to go to a gambling addiction counseling center

Maybe it would be an approach for gamblejoe to introduce some kind of account Verification via ID card or facebook profile which already exists for a certain time or something similar since after all real money is raffled. Since you Multi Accounts in a lottery may be drawn twice, this would at least be a solution to prevent it
Especially since you do not seem to have the possibility or enough staff to control the accounts like other larger forums that recognize the multi account immediately

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Lapppalo
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Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

11th Jul. 2018, at 01:39 am CEST#88
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I have followed the thread here and was not sure until just now whether I want to write something about it. What HD has done here is not okay, no question. To attack GJ because of this and to question it, is in my opinion also not ok.
What can GJ do about it, if a user borrows money from another user privately? That is a matter between these two, the decision to lend money has not made GJ. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. I understood Matthias to say that the people in charge of GJ wanted to create a space for HD to settle his things here, including the story with the borrowed money. Unfortunately this was not the case and HD's statement was not OK for the users here. The GJ team can't do anything about that. I think it is perfectly legitimate to give a person who is on the ground again a chance, in the hope that it helps him on the right path. The easier way would have been to lock, all would have been satisfied and arguments would have gone out of the way. The chance to fix this with the borrowed money would not have been there. If HD had taken the chance to clear everything up and possibly paid an installment already, I'm sure some would have thought it was great that the GJ team reacted so tolerantly and well.
This back pedaling here is terrible, digging out things that happened some time ago and looking for every little mistake. Each of us is here voluntarily and whoever finds it so terrible here does not have to stay. We all can and may freely choose to use the forum here or not.
How much PSC someone got, I personally do not care. Why? I have not been harmed by it. The PSC is a gift, do I have a right to it? No! It is a nice gesture from GJ, I don't know why so many people are making such a fuss about it. The greed seems to be bigger than the common sense, if I read one or the other contribution. I just feel sorry for the GJ team that they are being deceived and attacked like this.
Where is there a forum that gives out gifts every month? The responsible persons give themselves here very much trouble, which one should honor as I find also times and not everything badly speak.

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Anonym

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11th Jul. 2018, at 01:51 am CEST#89
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Lapppalo wrote on 11.07.2018 at 01:39: I have followed the thread here and was not sure until just now whether I want to write something about it. What HD has organized here is not i. O. no question. To attack and question GJ because of this is not ok either in my opinion.
What can GJ do about it, if a user borrows money from another user privately? That is a matter between these two, the decision to lend money has not made GJ. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. I understood Matthias to say that the people in charge of GJ wanted to create a space for HD so that he could settle his things here, including the story about the borrowed money. Unfortunately this was not the case and HD's statement was not OK for the users here. The GJ team can't do anything about that. I think it is perfectly legitimate to give a person who is on the ground again a chance, in the hope that it helps him on the right path. The easier way would have been to lock, all would have been satisfied and arguments would have gone out of the way. The chance to fix this with the borrowed money would not have been there. If HD had taken the chance to clear everything up and had possibly already paid an installment, some would certainly have found it great that the GJ team reacted so tolerantly and well.
This back pedaling here is terrible, digging out things that happened some time ago and looking for every little mistake. Each of us is here voluntarily and whoever finds it so terrible here does not have to stay. We all can and may freely choose to use the forum here or not.
How much PSC someone got, I personally do not care. Why? I have not been harmed by it. The PSC is a gift, do I have a right to it? No! It is a nice gesture from GJ, I don't know why so many people make such a fuss about it. The greed seems to be bigger than the common sense, if I read one or the other contribution. I just feel sorry for the GJ team that they are being deceived and attacked like this.
Where is there a forum that gives out gifts every month? The responsible persons give themselves here very much trouble, which one should honor as I find also times and not everything badly speak.

I think you take him much too much in protection. Even with his apology are again inconsistencies were to be recognized.

To portray him as a victim now is certainly not the truth.

LG

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Lapppalo
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Official apology to all users and the Gamblejoe team

11th Jul. 2018, at 02:00 am CEST#90
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Lucifer88 wrote on 07/11/2018 at 01:51 PM
I think you are taking way too much credit for him. Even with his apology, there have been inconsistencies again.

Portraying him as a victim now is certainly not the real thing either.

LG

I am not defending him. And I'm not portraying him as a victim either. Hm... Did I express myself so wrongly? I was asking for more understanding for Team GJ, that's true.

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