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Off topic & small talk: Nagging Corner (Page 76)

Topic created on 24th Apr. 2019 | Page: 76 of 212 | Answers: 2,112 | Views: 278,606
wettibernd
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:05 pm CET#763
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Royal777 wrote on 01/31/2023 at 11:36 AM:


Unemployed people tend to deal extensively with literature, however, the working person himself does not notice that, because he has no time for such things and prefers to turn on the Glotze after work and suddenly one is also already 70 years old and notices that the pursuit(=working) for money was rather pointless....

I have not been going to Spielos for years and in pubs only very rarely. But otherwise one has in such pubs always seen exactly when it was the 28th or 29th of the month, and no those were not employees who just got the salary, but 90% of them were AlG II recipients. Well, then you have 25 or 28 days to read.


And not everyone who works can afford a villa, so the unemployed should not have an upscale lifestyle. Most people who work try to make a relatively carefree and secure life possible for themselves and their family. But what is also possible with citizen's income but with a little less luxury and that is also good and right.

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Stromberg
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:06 pm CET#764
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Royal777 wrote on 01/31/2023 at 12:02 PM:

Most unemployed people now sit at home and study literature extensively, what else are they supposed to do?
What person would volunteer to watch TV for several hours a day? Apart from pensioners and very limited people.

Weak argumentation, sorry...

in 2021, everyone will watch an average of 213 minutes of TV. I would think that if you have more time, you will watch more...

I don't want to serve any clichés, and say all unemployed people sit all day in front of the glotze...
But to conclude that most read a lot, with the justification "what else should they do", is now also nonsense...

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Anonym

Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:18 pm CET#765
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wettibernd wrote on 01/31/2023 at 12:05 PM:

What but with citizen's income is also possible but with a little less luxury and that is also good and right so.

Thank you, although I recognize with the citizen's income further no luxury, however, there are different views here. In any case, in Germany you have to give every inhabitant enough money so that he can easily make ends meet.

If one does not have Bock on work, then one must accept this. The unemployed person will have to live with the consequences and that's it

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Stromberg
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:24 pm CET#766
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I see it like this... Everyone must be provided for, work must be worthwhile, simply flooding the market with more money for small and medium incomes will not solve the problem of rising costs. So money has to be taken out of the market elsewhere, in effect redistributed, and that can only come from the very rich... I'm not an economist or anything, but that seems to me to be the most obvious consequence... Especially if you look at the fact that inequality has increased even more during corona.

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wettibernd
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:25 pm CET#767
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Royal777 wrote on 01/31/2023 at 12:18 PM:
Thank you, although I continue to recognize no luxury in the citizen's income, however, there are different views here. In any case, in Germany you have to give every inhabitant enough money so that he can easily make ends meet.

If one does not have Bock on work, then one must accept this. The unemployed person will have to live with the consequences and that's it

I have lived for years in Texas, and if I look at what an unemployed person has here and what he has in the U.S. Citizen benefit recipients in Germany live in pure luxury! Even if this person has never paid much into the German social security.

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Anonym

Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:47 pm CET#768
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Stromberg wrote on 31.01.2023 at 12:24 pm: I see it this way... Everyone must be provided for, work must be worthwhile, simply flooding the market with more money for small and medium incomes will not solve the problem of rising costs. So money has to be taken out of the market elsewhere, in effect redistributed, and that can only come from the very rich... I'm not an economist or anything, but that seems to me to be the most obvious consequence... Especially when you look at the fact that inequality has increased even more during corona.

It does not necessarily have to come from the rich, but I advocate, among other things, a limit on wealth, no one needs billions. Furthermore, the financial transaction tax for banks would be an alternative, but the government continues to reject that. Instead, there is only an inadequate stock exchange turnover tax....
Interesting approaches of Precht to the current topic

The gap between poverty and wealth is getting wider and wider and in the future there will be no middle class. Through criminal machinations of lobbying, completely different interests are represented and enforced, which is why nothing will ever change anyway.

btw. What is actually with Eva Kaili? Of course, there is a reason why the topic is hushed up

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Donnie
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 12:56 pm CET#769
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Royal777 wrote on 01/31/2023 at 12:18 PM:
Thank you, although I continue to recognize no luxury in the citizen's income, however, there are different views here. In any case, in Germany you have to give every inhabitant enough money so that he can easily make ends meet.

If one does not have Bock on work, then one must accept this. The unemployed person will have to live with the consequences and that's it

Depends on how you look at it.A single person will certainly not be able to live in luxury and the differences are not so serious to single workers.With ner family who receives citizen's allowance with several children you will certainly have more money available than the other family with the working father.There are many things that then do not have to be paid such as KITA charges

On the other hand, unemployed families do not get Christmas or vacation Bonuses and can not submit a tax return

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Anonym

Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 01:00 pm CET#770
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wettibernd wrote on 31.01.2023 at 12:25 pm:
I lived in Texas for years, and when I look at what an unemployed person has here and what they have in the US, Bürgergeld recipients in Germany live in pure luxury! Even if that person has never paid much into German social security.

I am not a fan of these comparisons, these are not Zielführend =/

The USA is probably the only country that does not have to fear any consequences for its national debt. Meanwhile this is at 40 trillion (40.000.000.0000.000,00$) and still rising.
USA debt
Russia, for example, is only around 0.2 trillion

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Matthias
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Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 01:07 pm CET#771
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Stromberg wrote on 31.01.2023 at 12:24 pm: I see it like this... Everyone must be provided for, work must be worthwhile, simply flooding the market with more money for small and medium incomes will not solve the problem of rising costs. So money has to be taken out of the market elsewhere, in effect redistributed, and that can only come from the very rich... I'm not an economist or anything, but that seems to me to be the most obvious consequence... Especially when you look at the fact that inequality has increased even more during corona.

Redistributing "from the rich to the poor" won't do much in my opinion, that's too simplistic.

I found an article on this at Welt.de:
The rich already pay most of the taxes

Already now the taxes in Germany are crushingly high, that is in my circle of acquaintances the main reason why many entrepreneurs emigrate. In my opinion, politicians should think about relieving the burden on medium-sized companies so that new jobs can be created. Then some entrepreneurs who have turned their backs on Germany because of the high taxes (yes, I am one of them) would possibly move back to Germany.
I have been self-employed in Germany for over 14 years, usually also with permanent employees, and was it worth it?
No, at the end of the day I was annoyed every month with the advance VAT return, advance income tax payments, trade tax, radio contribution for company cars and the tax office because they couldn't understand that my Internet advertising business was subject to high sales fluctuations. Adjustments to advance payments were not accepted - despite pages of explanation, my accounts were seized and even the university account of a person who, out of bad luck and coincidence, had the same name as me but otherwise had nothing to do with me. The IRS has been so handing out that I've had to take out personal loans to pay taxes.
When I was shredding mountains of documents from the old days the other day, I came across the old letters I formulated to the IRS. Terrible, honestly, I don't want to be an entrepreneur in Germany anymore.
I'm glad to have put all that behind me.

Now Biontech prefers to invest in the UK rather than in Germany and instead of politicians thinking about how to make Germany competitive, they are trying with all their might to prevent entrepreneurs from emigrating to another country by tightening the exit taxation again last year:
From 2022, a new tax wall will apply - emigration will then no longer be so easy

In other countries it is also possible, why not in Germany?
In Malta there is no gift tax and no inheritance tax.
If you own a property, the rental income is taxed at 15% and not at the personal income tax rate.
Here everyone owns property somehow, there are discounts from the government for "first-time-buyers", then you pay minimal property transfer tax. But after that, there are no more annual property taxes.
Banks also support real estate acquisition with low loan rates, even in the current phase of internationally rising interest rates.
There is also no capital gains tax, i.e. you don't pay taxes on stock dividends outside Malta and so you can build up your own retirement savings. And for the people who do not want to invest in shares, there is despite the low taxes a state pension that is enough to survive.

That was now a contribution for the Meckerecke

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B****3

Nagging Corner

31st Jan. 2023, at 01:31 pm CET#772
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Friends, friends.
You can't be serious about complaining about the citizen's income!

It is good that there is, but to complain about the amount borders on insolence!

It would be nice if some of the forum would think about how they themselves could come to money?
By the sugar blown by the state in the butt meant meanwhile that the state would be responsible for them! Wrong!

There are now enough jobs or if one has already no Bock, at least a few bucks to be able to earn extra with a few hours of work!

I exclude here expressly sick people and pensioners from!

And since apparently all citizen's money recipients are so well-read, I advise rather instead of drifting into the philosophical, rather to use the hours to strive for work!

Many were apparently too good in the past and because they were well pampers by Mom, some have forgotten that they are responsible for their own lives!
Times are getting worse and not better!

And should anyone come now with, I have already written 1000 applications!? And nothing!

Maybe you should apply for normal jobs and not immediately as a project manager for computer games!

And 1 last thing, I help everyone seriously to get a job and there are enough apartments here.
However, in this job, you have to get up early, be able to move and think! There is also no company car !

With the apartment is unfortunately no cleaning lady included in the price!

So you poor citizen money recipients, I offer you help!
You must only want!

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