Off topic & small talk: Nagging Corner (Page 222)

Donnie wrote on 17.01.2025 at 08:40: "& objectively speaking, there are also jobs that don't even come close to earning €13-14 from my point of view."

Weren't those your words? Every person who works and moves their backside somewhere has the right to be paid decently. 13-14€ is not a lot of money these days and then you should get even less? How are you supposed to feed a family on that few bucks? Even as a single person, that's not much. Whether it is economically feasible to pay more is another matter

If I adjust all things like prices and costs of living in my head (I remember how expensive everything was when I had my first apartment), then I come up with a minimum wage of at least €16, more likely €17-18. Why do many housewives and mothers have to work on top of that? The money is hardly enough. As a family man, you have to earn at least €2500-3000 to support a family of several people, which is still not enough. There are countless professions where you don't earn that much, and then there are the high contributions such as health Insurance and the like. Why were there only housewives and working fathers in the past who were still able to support a family? The wage level has not been adjusted enough. Now you can say it's your own fault that you didn't become CEO of a huge company, but I think that's unfair. Everyone has the right to receive a wage that they can live on, and I think it's important for everyone within a company to be paid a wage

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Endstation wrote on January 17th, 2025 at 10:30 am:

Yes, those were my words, but I didn't mean to put down the people who are bucking, doing and doing or are the reason why the store is still running here at all. But well, I'll just take the blame for the fact that we misunderstood each other because I simply wrote too vaguely at that point and especially on this internet you can misunderstand a lot of things.


I haven't looked up what the current minimum wage is, but of course it's too little otherwise it wouldn't be the minimum wage. But it's an eternal cycle. For whatever reason, many things are becoming more and more unaffordable, I'll just say stupidly that you get 10 increases but only one of them is compensated by an increase.

Fortunately, I personally don't have the problems that others unfortunately have at the end of the month, even though I don't think my collectively agreed wage is that far away from the minimum wage anymore. For me, however, it was/is also because, to name a few examples, I didn't go anywhere big, I said I wasn't going to invest more than necessary in the one-bedroom apartment and, for example, I don't have a car for which I'm allowed to pay stupidly.

I can only guess at the costs that arise as a father or mother or couple, if at all, as I only have to provide for myself so far, but that wasn't easy in the past when I think back to my mom alone, how she got me and my siblings through, and it probably hasn't gotten any easier these days.

and on the subject of Insurance, I can't help but think of the one bird who would think it was great if the first day of sick leave wasn't paid.

I don't see it any differently. after all, not everyone can do or become one, but I don't think that's your point, but I would also say that everyone has their reasons etc. why they do what they do.

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Endstation wrote on 17.01.2025 at 01:41:

So my very personal opinion regarding the minimum wage is that it is more or less pointless.


Let's start with the politician or a party who, let's say as an example, crows about a minimum wage of at least € 18 because they think so much about the well-being of the common people and not about the votes that could be obtained with this peasant catching.

You generally ignore the fact that you don't need to kill yourself in the Bundestag, that you're living without reality anyway and that your salary, which is too high anyway, is lavishly increased every year.

Then it goes on with the employee who, if successful, enjoys his hourly wage of €18 for the time being and already sees himself standing in the Porsche Center, which he didn't expect? He is actually not the only one who should benefit from this. The cashier in his local supermarket and his hairdresser, as a brief example, also have to be paid somehow, and he will realize this very early on when prices go up. Calculating the prices in order to pay the wages is fixed or, in the worst case, people have to do it with fewer colleagues because they have been made redundant.

and that's how quickly the employee mentioned at the beginning finds himself back in front of the sausage shelf in the well-known f*ck mill and complains about high prices and that the minimum wage is not enough, which brings us back to the beginning of my text.

& from an objective point of view, there are also jobs that don't even come close to earning €13-14.

As far as Insurance is concerned. But it's also not a new insight that you should constantly change, just like the Internet Provider etc. because as an existing customer you are unfortunately always the stupid donkey who is considered the favorite customer. Just think of the poor people who have had contracts somewhere for 30 years and don't change because they have always been under the motto and compared to a change and a contract concluded today, this almost borders on robbery.

BUT before I send this now I just want to make it clear that it is my own opinion which I do not want to impose on anyone or anything else. And if anyone else feels offended by it, you can discuss it in peace and quiet 🙂🙌

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Patizi wrote on January 18, 2025 at 3:45 pm:

Just seeing this now. How derogatory that is. So someone who works full-time doesn't deserve to have 1,400 or 1,500 euros? That's really disgusting! No matter what job, if they work full-time, they deserve to live decently. That's absolute madness what you write. And you think that if wages go up then everything will be more expensive? I can only see how everything is getting more expensive but wages aren't rising. You're really out of touch with reality or just living from above. Unbelievable!

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Donnie wrote on 17.01.2025 at 08:40: "& objectively speaking, there are also jobs that don't even come close to earning €13-14 from my point of view."

Weren't those your words? Every person who works and moves their backside somewhere has the right to be paid decently. 13-14€ is not a lot of money these days and then you should get even less? How are you supposed to feed a family on that few bucks? Even as a single person, that's not much. Whether it is economically feasible to pay more is another matter

If I adjust all things like prices and living costs in my head (I remember how expensive everything was when I had my first apartment), then I come up with a minimum wage of at least €16, more likely €17-18. Why do many housewives and mothers have to work on top of that? The money is hardly enough. As a family man, you have to earn at least €2500-3000 to support a family of several people, which is still not enough. There are countless professions where you don't earn that much, and then there are the high contributions such as health Insurance and the like. Why were there only housewives and working fathers in the past who were still able to support a family? The wage level has not been adjusted enough. Now you can say it's your own fault that you didn't become CEO of a huge company, but I think that's unfair. Everyone has the right to receive a wage that they can live on, and I think it's important for everyone within a company to be paid a wage

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Langhans_innen wrote on January 16th, 2025 at 7:28 pm:

after about 10 years of self-employment, I now pay almost 50% more than at the beginning....

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Langhans_innen wrote on January 23rd, 2025 at 5:17 pm:

kK-Hans recently a) made a mistake and b) got a new health Insurance notification today. Nothing there is almost 50% more than 10 years ago...85% more than then. From 2024 to 2025 alone, exactly 14.16%...Naturally packaged in a sugar-sweet text that was supposed to encourage the reader to persevere and prevent them from freaking out. But it didn't work out so well.

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frapi07 wrote on January 23rd, 2025 at 5:31 pm:



I don't know how it is with self-employed people, but here it is generally advised to compare. You save a lot of money.

Unfortunately, I can't switch because I still get the student tariff (with the other health Insurance companies this might not apply).

By the way, congratulations on your elite rank

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Langhans_innen wrote on January 23rd, 2025 at 5:47 pm:

Thank you, Frapi. I'll take a look at the video tonight when I'm a bit less annoyed by this increase in this country ....the writing really sat just now. I'm normally also a comparator/changer in many things, in order to at least come off reasonably favorably, insofar as I can influence it. I've actually treated the health Insurance matter very neglected so far, but it doesn't have to stay that way. I'm going to get into the subject. Obviously I need a kind of "elite partner"

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