Off topic & small talk: Nagging Corner (Page 222)

Donnie wrote on 17.01.2025 at 08:40: "& objectively speaking, there are also jobs that don't even come close to earning €13-14 from my point of view."

Weren't those your words? Every person who works and moves their backside somewhere has the right to be paid decently. 13-14€ is not a lot of money these days and then you should get even less? How are you supposed to feed a family on that few bucks? Even as a single person, that's not much. Whether it is economically feasible to pay more is another matter

If I adjust all things like prices and costs of living in my head (I remember how expensive everything was when I had my first apartment), then I come up with a minimum wage of at least €16, more likely €17-18. Why do many housewives and mothers have to work on top of that? The money is hardly enough. As a family man, you have to earn at least €2500-3000 to support a family of several people, which is still not enough. There are countless professions where you don't earn that much, and then there are the high contributions such as health Insurance and the like. Why were there only housewives and working fathers in the past who were still able to support a family? The wage level has not been adjusted enough. Now you can say it's your own fault that you didn't become CEO of a huge company, but I think that's unfair. Everyone has the right to receive a wage that they can live on, and I think it's important for everyone within a company to be paid a wage

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Endstation wrote on January 17th, 2025 at 10:30 am:

Yes, those were my words, but I didn't mean to put down the people who are bucking, doing and doing or are the reason why the store is still running here at all. But well, I'll just take the blame for the fact that we misunderstood each other because I simply wrote too vaguely at that point and especially on this internet you can misunderstand a lot of things.


I haven't looked up what the current minimum wage is, but of course it's too little otherwise it wouldn't be the minimum wage. But it's an eternal cycle. For whatever reason, many things are becoming more and more unaffordable, I'll just say stupidly that you get 10 increases but only one of them is compensated by an increase.

Fortunately, I personally don't have the problems that others unfortunately have at the end of the month, even though I don't think my collectively agreed wage is that far away from the minimum wage anymore. For me, however, it was/is also because, to name a few examples, I didn't go anywhere big, I said I wasn't going to invest more than necessary in the one-bedroom apartment and, for example, I don't have a car for which I'm allowed to pay stupidly.

I can only guess at the costs that arise as a father or mother or couple, if at all, as I only have to provide for myself so far, but that wasn't easy in the past when I think back to my mom alone, how she got me and my siblings through, and it probably hasn't gotten any easier these days.

and on the subject of Insurance, I can't help but think of the one bird who would think it was great if the first day of sick leave wasn't paid.

I don't see it any differently. after all, not everyone can do or become one, but I don't think that's your point, but I would also say that everyone has their reasons etc. why they do what they do.

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