frapi07 wrote on 03/24/2023 at 8:47 PM:
This is one of the smaller problems. I think very few people are going on vacation next week (schools are not closed yet, at least in Bavaria). The strike mainly hits pupils/trainees/students and commuters trying to get from A to B. Sure, some have alternatives, but I wouldn't have those, for example. In the worst case, I would have to take an expensive cab. The last time I went by cab would have to be 2018-19 and have paid for 3-4 km 15-18€. Mind you for just one ride. Bicycle would certainly be an alternative, but for me that would be nothing, because I would have to a) 13 km back and b) also in a medium-sized city (500,000 inhabitants) where there is a lot of rush hour traffic.
As Wutmaennchen wrote, they could have continued to negotiate and carried out the strike on Good Friday/Easter Monday. But no, Mr. Werneke does not think this strike is excessive. I assume that he will have no problems to come to work on Monday, because he surely has a fat car with which he drives to work.
yes, it is true that the current strike at the airports is not as bad as it affects the commuters.
Or is there another reason why Germans now prefer to vacation in Germany more than before?
Because it was so crowded at the Baltic Sea last week.
oh yes, last year in the vacations are yes the flights augsefallen, because the airport had too little staff.that had but with strike nothing to do.
yes true that now strike at airports is not as bad as how it affects commuters.
Or is there another reason why now the Germans much prefer to vacation in Germany than before?
Because it was so crowded at the Baltic Sea last week.
oh yes, last year during the vacations the flights were cancelled because the airport had too few staff.
Of course, there is a reason why many more people are vacationing in Germany now.
Even several. One of them is Corona. Many simply don't travel across the world anymore. I know some people who do.
Of course there is a reason why many more people are now vacationing in Germany.
Several, in fact. One of them is Corona. Many just don't travel across the world anymore. I know a few people who do.
yes, and I used to vacation in Berlin and then always went to the swimming lake or river to swim, how empty it was there back then.
And the hotel prices were the absolute hammer, 24.40 euros per night for 2 people in a 3 star hotel
yes, and I used to vacation in Berlin and then always went to the badesee or river to swim, how empty that was there then.
And the hotel prices were the absolute hammer, 24.40 euros per night for 2 people in a 3 star hotel
Something like that still goes today, just always depends a bit on when you go to such places.
But of course it's altogether also full in Germany if one makes vacation, but one has nevertheless if one flies to Spain/Portugal etc. just the same. Even there you have corners that are overly crowded, at the same time there are enough areas where you can make totally relaxed vacation.
ruhrpott wrote on 03/24/2023 at 20:52: You do realize that a strike on a day when there are no restrictions due to the strike has pretty much no effect?
Not really. There have been strikes done on Saturday or Sunday before that have had effects. No restriction is also an exaggeration. Of course, it would still be felt there. They could have gone on strike Friday - Sunday, for example. Saturday is not a holiday and that would have been felt. I think it's exaggerated that they don't even try to negotiate, but go straight on the offensive and paralyze the entire republic. What will happen on Monday should have been an ultimatum.
If you think that it is not excessive, then show me a similar case in other countries. I have never heard of a uniοn striking the entire infrastructure of a country because they demanded more money.
Such a thing is still possible today, just always depends a bit on when you go to such places.
But of course it's altogether also full in Germany if one makes vacation, but one has nevertheless if one flies to Spain/Portugal etc. just the same. Even there you have corners that are overly crowded, but at the same time there are enough areas where you can have a totally relaxed vacation.
aren't those mostly corners where it's dead and no one wants to go?
well, let's see, I'm still looking for something in Berlin in the summer but there are only hotels from 70 euros per night upwards and without breakfast.
a Holiday In Hotel what then 37 euros a night has cost, they want now 99 euros
Not really. There have been strikes done on Saturday or Sunday before that have had effects. No restriction is also an exaggeration. Of course, it would still be felt there. They could have gone on strike Friday - Sunday, for example. Saturday is not a holiday and that would have been felt. I think it's exaggerated that they don't even try to negotiate, but go straight on the offensive and paralyze the entire republic. What will happen on Monday should have been an ultimatum.
If you think that it is not excessive, then show me a similar case in other countries. I have never heard of a uniοn striking the entire infrastructure of a country because they demanded more money.
25. 10. 1975 Iceland . 'Revolution of the red stockings ' the day is also called. Except for doctors and nurses, all women in Iceland went on strike that day. Fish factories, Kitas, retail....everything was thereby closed . Almost 25,000 women went on strike. Iceland had 220,000 inhabitants in total at that time. . Nothing was going on anymore. It was about equality. A woman in Iceland at that time earned 25% less than a man in the same job for example.
Here in Cologne, the university hospital went on strike last year. for 11 weeks!!! That was just one clinic. Imagine that happens in the whole country. No matter who goes on strike, it would hit our infrastructure hard.
Frankey wrote on 03/25/2023 at 07:49 AM:
25. 10th 1975 Iceland . 'Revolution of the red stockings ' the day is also called. Except for doctors and nurses all women in Iceland went on strike that day. Fish factories, Kitas, retail....everything was thereby closed . Almost 25,000 women went on strike. Iceland had 220,000 inhabitants in total at that time. . Nothing was going on anymore. It was about equality. A woman in Iceland at that time earned 25% less than a man in the same job for example.
Here in Cologne, the university hospital went on strike last year. for 11 weeks!!! That was just one clinic. Imagine that happens in the whole country. No matter who goes on strike, it would hit our infrastructure hard.
Your example with Iceland is not to be compared with the strike of ver.di. At that time, people were discriminated against because of their gender and treated/paid worse. This is still sometimes the case today, but that is not the reason for the ver.di strike. The reason is that people want to have a better offer because the current one is not good enough due to the current inflation. According to this logic, however, we would all have to strike, because inflation affects every one of us. Granted, the 5% offered is little, but at least they got the 5% and 2500 offered. There are people who are not bound to any collective agreement. They would even take half of this offer and thank you very much. Imagine, there are even companies where no Bonuses and other premiums are paid. I, for example, did not receive a Corona bonus, even though I worked in the Corona crisis and also had to forfeit a lot.
Striking is okay in my eyes, if a) the other side is stubborn and does not negotiate and b) if the extent of the strike is not exaggerated. In my eyes, however, that was not the case here. Well, let them strike if they think they will achieve more.
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yes, it is true that the current strike at the airports is not as bad as it affects the commuters.
Or is there another reason why Germans now prefer to vacation in Germany more than before?
Because it was so crowded at the Baltic Sea last week.
oh yes, last year in the vacations are yes the flights augsefallen, because the airport had too little staff.that had but with strike nothing to do.
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Of course, there is a reason why many more people are vacationing in Germany now.
Even several. One of them is Corona. Many simply don't travel across the world anymore. I know some people who do.
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yes, and I used to vacation in Berlin and then always went to the swimming lake or river to swim, how empty it was there back then.
And the hotel prices were the absolute hammer, 24.40 euros per night for 2 people in a 3 star hotel
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Something like that still goes today, just always depends a bit on when you go to such places.
But of course it's altogether also full in Germany if one makes vacation, but one has nevertheless if one flies to Spain/Portugal etc. just the same. Even there you have corners that are overly crowded, at the same time there are enough areas where you can make totally relaxed vacation.
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Not really. There have been strikes done on Saturday or Sunday before that have had effects. No restriction is also an exaggeration. Of course, it would still be felt there. They could have gone on strike Friday - Sunday, for example. Saturday is not a holiday and that would have been felt. I think it's exaggerated that they don't even try to negotiate, but go straight on the offensive and paralyze the entire republic. What will happen on Monday should have been an ultimatum.
If you think that it is not excessive, then show me a similar case in other countries. I have never heard of a uniοn striking the entire infrastructure of a country because they demanded more money.
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aren't those mostly corners where it's dead and no one wants to go?
well, let's see, I'm still looking for something in Berlin in the summer but there are only hotels from 70 euros per night upwards and without breakfast.
a Holiday In Hotel what then 37 euros a night has cost, they want now 99 euros
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25. 10. 1975 Iceland . 'Revolution of the red stockings ' the day is also called. Except for doctors and nurses, all women in Iceland went on strike that day. Fish factories, Kitas, retail....everything was thereby closed . Almost 25,000 women went on strike. Iceland had 220,000 inhabitants in total at that time. . Nothing was going on anymore. It was about equality. A woman in Iceland at that time earned 25% less than a man in the same job for example.
Here in Cologne, the university hospital went on strike last year. for 11 weeks!!! That was just one clinic. Imagine that happens in the whole country. No matter who goes on strike, it would hit our infrastructure hard.
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Your example with Iceland is not to be compared with the strike of ver.di. At that time, people were discriminated against because of their gender and treated/paid worse. This is still sometimes the case today, but that is not the reason for the ver.di strike. The reason is that people want to have a better offer because the current one is not good enough due to the current inflation. According to this logic, however, we would all have to strike, because inflation affects every one of us. Granted, the 5% offered is little, but at least they got the 5% and 2500 offered. There are people who are not bound to any collective agreement. They would even take half of this offer and thank you very much. Imagine, there are even companies where no Bonuses and other premiums are paid. I, for example, did not receive a Corona bonus, even though I worked in the Corona crisis and also had to forfeit a lot.
Striking is okay in my eyes, if a) the other side is stubborn and does not negotiate and b) if the extent of the strike is not exaggerated. In my eyes, however, that was not the case here. Well, let them strike if they think they will achieve more.
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