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Off topic & small talk: Let's talk about... (Page 4)

Topic created on 28th Jan. 2019 | Page: 4 of 22 | Answers: 214 | Views: 30,055
K****t

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28th Jan. 2019, at 01:43 pm CET#31
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Bone wrote on 01/28/2019 1:35 PM
Clear rules already exist. But loser is not an insult, weirdo becomes an insult if I address someone directly with it. For example if I would write:

"Kaffeelicht you crazy weirdo, you are out of your mind".

Then of course it would be an insult and the report would be justified. However, if I indirectly call a certain group of people a nutcase and only, hypothetically, think of the user Kaffeelicht as belonging to this group of nutcases, then this is not an insult. Since the thoughts are, after all, still freedom of each.

No, there you are wrong.
To write to someone "... your sick head" and "you are a failure", are insults, even defamatory criticism.
In Germany, both are relevant under criminal law.
It is true that hardly anyone will report this to the police, but if you refer to the legal side, it should also be correct.
Decency also dictates that you should not publicly call someone sick in the head or a loser or even a nutcase.
I don't know why we have to discuss this at all.

Thoughts are free, but what one says, does or writes is on a completely different level.
Insults, slander, defamation, defamation, character assassination, racism, agitation, contempt for humanity, etc. do not fall under freedom of speech.
Especially with the last examples, I'm sure you agree with me.
I have listed these things to make it clear that one may not write everything under the guise of freedom of speech.

But that should be clear to everyone. It also makes no sense, quite apart from the legal point of view, to just throw up everything you think and verbally attack others.

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Horsepower44
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28th Jan. 2019, at 01:44 pm CET#32
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Ludio wrote on 01/28/2019 at 1:36 pm
Since I see this like you both, you are both symaptic to me

Nice to see that there is love among forum users after all.

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Knochen
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28th Jan. 2019, at 01:50 pm CET#33
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Coffee Light wrote on 01/28/2019 1:43 PM
Nah, you're wrong.
Writing to someone "... your sick head" and "you are a failure" are insults, even vituperative criticism.
In Germany, both are relevant under criminal law.
It is true that hardly anyone will report this to the police, but if you refer to the legal side, it should also be correct.
Decency also dictates that you should not publicly call someone sick in the head or a loser or even a nutcase.
I don't know why we have to discuss this at all.

Thoughts are free, but what one says, does or writes is on a completely different level.
Insults, slander, defamation, defamation, character assassination, racism, agitation, contempt for humanity, etc. do not fall under freedom of speech.
Especially with the last examples, I'm sure you agree with me.
I have listed these things to make it clear that one may not write everything under the guise of freedom of speech.

But that should be clear to everyone. It also makes no sense, quite apart from the legal point of view, to just throw up everything you think and verbally attack others.


The Federal Constitutional Court dismissed a complaint by the NPD party when Joachim Gauck called the party's supporters nutcases. So much for the criminal relevance of this word. Besides, we're not in court here either, but in an Internet forum. And I'm getting sick of this feel-good crap. Failure is a word with a fixed definition

Defamation or slander would only be present if there is a disparaging statement whose truth is not clear. However, that was not the case in this example. Because someone who permanently gambles away all his money and then even becomes delinquent in order to make ends meet can certainly be considered a failure. It is also all connected with the wording

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Anonym

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28th Jan. 2019, at 01:50 pm CET#34
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Horsepower44 wrote on 01/28/2019 1:44 PM
Nice to see that there is love among forum users after all.

yes that is unfortunately viellll too rare here :'(

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K****t

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28th Jan. 2019, at 01:55 pm CET#35
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Knochen wrote on 28.01.2019 at 13:50
The Federal Constitutional Court has dismissed a lawsuit filed by the NPD party when Joachim Gauck called the party's supporters nutcases. So much for the criminal relevance of this word. Besides, we're not in court here either, but in an Internet forum. And I'm getting sick of this feel-good crap. Failure is a word with a fixed definition

Defamation or slander would only be present if there is a disparaging statement whose truth is not clear. However, that was not the case in this example. Because someone who permanently gambles away all his money and then even becomes delinquent in order to make ends meet can certainly be considered a failure. It is also all connected with the wording.

No.
Even someone who is presumed or actually delinquent may not be offended. Personal rights still apply to that person as well.
Such things are only prosecuted if the person so designated would report it to the police, but it is still considered a criminal offense.

But as said, already the own decency forbids it. Provided that one possesses it.
If this is not the case, the forum operators must take action in a forum.

It does not make sense at all, why one must insult at all. Can you not express it without insult?

In the complaint of the NPD it concerned by the way their opinion around the Nichtwahrung of the equal chances of all parties. Gauck had called for protests (and rightly so).

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Knochen
Elite

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28th Jan. 2019, at 02:00 pm CET#36
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Coffee Light wrote on 01/28/2019 1:55 PM


But as I said, one's own decency already forbids it. Provided one possesses it.


Isn't that an insult under your super-sharp detective's loupe, or are you using double standards?

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K****t

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28th Jan. 2019, at 02:06 pm CET#37
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Bones wrote on 01/28/2019 2:00 PM
Then isn't that also an insult under your super sharp detective's loupe or are you using double standards?

No, not at all.
There are people, that is indisputable, who have no decency whatsoever. For psychological reasons alone. Narcissists, for example, are very often among them.

If you feel addressed, I can reassure you. It was a general statement, not related to you.
I do not know whether you have decency, but I do not deny it to you. I don't know you well enough. As an opponent of right-wing radical groups, I would rather claim that you know what decency means.
However, your insults were indecent.

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Anonym

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28th Jan. 2019, at 02:24 pm CET#38
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Coffee Light wrote on 01/28/2019 1:43 PM
Nah, you're wrong.
Writing to someone "... your sick head" and "you are a failure" are insults, even vituperative criticism.
In Germany, both are relevant under criminal law.
It is true that hardly anyone will report this to the police, but if you refer to the legal side, it should also be correct.
Decency also dictates that you should not publicly call someone sick in the head or a loser or even a nutcase.
I don't know why we have to discuss this at all.

Thoughts are free, but what one says, does or writes is on a completely different level.
Insults, slander, defamation, defamation, character assassination, racism, agitation, contempt for humanity, etc. do not fall under freedom of speech.
Especially with the last examples, I'm sure you agree with me.
I have listed these things to make it clear that one may not write everything under the guise of freedom of speech.

But that should be clear to everyone. It also makes no sense, quite apart from the legal point of view, to just throw up everything you think and verbally attack others.




With you I just do not know whether I should laugh out loud when I read your contributions or just shake my head.

Above all, however, has your double standards times really in itself and the worst of it is that you probably really do not notice a bit.



Of all the users here, you are by far the user I'm most glad not to know personally.

-- Part of the message was removed by a moderator due to insults / insinuations --

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K****t

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28th Jan. 2019, at 02:40 pm CET#39
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And here we go again. Insinuations, insults, baseless allegations, with absolutely nothing justified, simply vomited into the forum, simply to break again new quarrel from the fence.
Oh, Random... always the same.

Quote me but times, if you already assertions.

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Anonym

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28th Jan. 2019, at 02:44 pm CET#40
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Coffee Light wrote on 01/28/2019 2:40 PM

Why don't you quote me while you're making assertions?

Nope, not in the mood at all.

Discussions with you are pointless anyway

Just wanted to note how ridiculous I find it that you of all people here constantly make on moralizer and even one of the worst here are.

To dish out but can not take it.

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