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Off topic & small talk: Current Topic CoronaVirus / Opinion, Exchange (Page 94)

Topic created on 27th Feb. 2020 | Page: 94 of 94 | Answers: 939 | Views: 154,974
Stromberg
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Current Topic CoronaVirus / Opinion, Exchange

9th Feb. 2023, at 10:29 am CET#936
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Donnie wrote on 09.02.2023 at 10:28: Bin times after a long party with the train home since Corona had just started.Da is so one with mask and gloves got on the already had the disinfectant spray in hand when entering and has sprayed the whole train full.Totally stupid🤣

Better safe than sorry 😄

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9th Feb. 2023, at 02:27 pm CET#937
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Falcon wrote on 09.02.2023 at 03:46:

It's amazing that you look for culprits yourself and blame those who exercised their democratic right to demonstrate.


The virus does not care about the democratic right. Everyone who visited untested mass events, (CSD, demonstrations, sports, concerts, crowds) was co-responsible for the spread of the virus.
Without the massive resistance, which was also shown among others on the street, we would still have the worst conditions.


I have no problem with most lateral thinkers. Their and my views are in consensus. That trolls and fringe figures joined the movement and then spouted the wildest theories served purposefully to decompose and expose the resistance. This was exploited by some media & politicians and the naive consumer fell for it.
I am myself unvaccinated and critic of measures or better said advocate for democracy, fundamental rights and human rights since day one. I was insulted, defamed, excluded and even physically attacked several times. And now you are supposed to forget all that? Certainly not.
And no, I am not quiet. It was now 3 years long tried to forbid me the mouth and far too many aggrieved do not dare even now freely to express their opinion. Many still try to make the others understand with gentle words what they have done to them. But if someone hits me 20 times in the face, then I don't explain to him lovingly that this is not quite okay and that he may have overreacted a bit.

That's how it was with me. I set myself since the 11.9.2001 for the justice, however, this leads to nothing. The people are now times naive and can not think independently. Currently die in Germany per week more Corona than in most months of 2020 and 2021, but it no longer interests anyone because it is not present in the media. There is something else on the agenda now. Rather strive for your own happiness, life is short and unique. You should not forget but forgive them
Those who joyfully participated should think about how their values such as democracy and fundamental rights really stand. What you can clearly take away from this time: People are still very susceptible to totalitarian structures and are eager to join in if they are given an enemy to vent their anger. These are the same people who are outraged by trivialities and who carry beautiful words like the rule of law or human rights in front of them only as empty phrases.
It was seriously accepted by the broad masses that one was allowed to participate in social life only with the proof of a physical characteristic.

It was, is and will always be the same and the number is always growing. Some people fear a blanket neglect of society, because what should become in the future from the children of those who today only TikTok glotzen and as Hartzer right-wing radical slogans slur while Greens constantly stick somewhere and postulate the Gendern.

In truth, we have long since passed the point. The moral corruption is omnipresent. Even after1940, the majority in Germany knew nothing of the wars of aggression let alone the Holocaust. Even when German cities were bombed, people regarded this rather bored. Little fires in Dresden. And it is from these people that today's generations are descended. Since the 2nd World War numerous events have happened where one can only shake one's head. Already today the majority considers Wikipedia as encyclopedia and there we experience history falsification at the own body However now this goes too far for me and I would have to fall back on the families Strozzi and Medici .
A reappraisal is due and a serious and full apology more than only necessary. And there is also nothing to trivialize

Quite possible that it will come to that. However, this will happen under the cover of the public. Some people are still waiting for the public reappraisal of crimes, corruption cases, judicial scandals, terrorist attacks, and even entire wars. The human being is a master in suppressing.
You can not talk about freedom of speech and at the same time suppress all critical voices.

Unfortunately, they still can and do. At some point, you can no longer see the forest for the trees. This has been done for countless decades...
Now the time has come, in which everyone should reflect for itself once completely honestly, which position one took in this time and if one comes to the conclusion that one ran along oneself, ask oneself the question, why and why one did not recognize it.

Ne young, this time will not come . Now comes first again war, presumably even first those must to the front, which spread for years the propaganda of Putin. So basically unvaccinated, so to speak a minority that must accept the opinion of the majority. That's the way it is in a democracy. Afterwards a new Covid mutation and a staged climate event around the last to convince for the so-called "CO² budget per head". Meanwhile the digital Euro/Coin is introduced area-wide by the ECB , afterwards the time of the highly feared chip comes to the fore Some think the chip is implanted by vaccination and schwurbler make fun of these theories. Instead it is the ordinary chips we already have in our documents (bank card, ID card, Insurance card, vaccination certificates with personalized QR codes etc. etc.)
refucs wrote on 09.02.2023 at 05:21:

I held out until January 2022, then I got vaccinated, just for the love of my mother. Because everyone in my family and relatives went nuts too. In retrospect, I'm annoyed that I didn't stick it out. Fortunately it was only one vaccination, never again.


My condolences I didn't get vaccinated for several reasons, one of which was mistrust and fear. But there were also other reasons which I do not want to explain here. I also believe that gene therapy (mRNA) is an irreversible intervention that is ethically wrong. It awakens memories of the CRISPR children in China today, Disastrous!
Who wants to be vaccinated, should do that nevertheless gladly

I see exactly the same. I would even oblige the Risk group to have a conversation with the doctor. Afterwards, everyone can decide for himself whether he wants to be vaccinated.
Surely there were doctors who made wrong statements, but actually I would like to protect this professional group. As a rule, their statements were taken out of context and exploited for their own interests. Up-to-date fly in the background yes the fetzen among other things between Lauterbach and Virologen.
Who will win? Twitter.
The media and politics have controlled this game so panic-driven, when I think of all these MPKs, any freely invented limits that were presented in neat PowerPoints... etc... Very very sad how it all went!

As I said, I do not deny the virus, there were certainly deaths and serious cases, experienced myself in my own environment. But this artificial exaggerated scaremongering and compulsive paternalism of free people, it makes me vomit from the day before yesterday!

I had to go to the dentist a few times during the pandemic and you could literally tell how disgusted he was by the unvaccinated. At first he was skeptical about vaccination and the measures, but later he viewed unvaccinated as parasites. While he worked and paid for the Corona tests with his hard-earned money, the unvaccinated could not even do his job without restrictions due to G-rules.
You can't imagine the fear I had during the treatments, including a root canal.
upola wrote on 02/09/2023 at 09:06: But don't you take some risk with every vaccination.

Definitely! But this time there was an emergency approval, because usually vaccines are tested for years, even decades. This mRNA method has been around for decades, but not necessarily in everyday medical use. This is because for the past 30 years, every mRNA vaccine without exception has failed. There was not a single successful subject. 90% was due to lack of effect, 8% was due to side effects, and the remaining 2% related to other effects. The current Corona vaccination is subject to the 90%, that in the future people will die in rows from it I completely exclude.

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9th Feb. 2023, at 03:02 pm CET#938
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Royal777 wrote on 09.02.2023 at 14:27:


" The virus doesn't care about democratic law. Anyone who attended mass events untested, ( CSD, demonstrations, sports, concerts, crowds ) was Partly responsible for spreading the virus."


But you are also a walking contradiction. In the end, you blame the same people as the proponents and repeat the propaganda of politics and media. Contagion outdoors is almost non-existent. Infections happened mainly in the private sector. And according to all the data available, one can clearly say that at no time was there a really dangerous situation. If one had simply done nothing at all, one would not have noticed any real differences. At the most, but really at the most, one would then have written about a severe flu year, as was already the case in 2017 and 2018.

While the media claimed that the hospitals were full of Corona patients, the statistics showed that in fact, even in the early days, only 2% were hospitalized for Corona, despite the fact that they did everything they could to register every case as a Corona case.

" Currently, more die from corona per week in Germany than in most months of 2020 and 2021, but no one cares anymore because it's not in the media."

This is simply not true. Even the media and politicians say that the current excess mortality has nothing to do with Corona. It is much more likely that the excess mortality (which in some cases is as high as 30%) is the result of some genetic experimentation and/or the aftermath of the consequences of the actions, such as postponed surgeries, loss of quality of life, and lack of screening. Whatever it is, politics and the media clearly have no need to clarify the excess mortality and this fact alone should already make more than skeptical, when in the Corona era it was always argued that "every individual counts".

And all the followers don't care either. Where are now those who applauded loudly and thus made these injustices possible in the first place? Where are now the arguments with "we have to protect everyone", "solidarity" etc.? All just nice sounding standing phrases where you could feel a little better because you were "such a good person". But the reality is that most people were like robots and the media play the software into their brains. Self-thinking, critical people are obviously in short supply. The media determine which topic is hot, what to be outraged about, and people follow willy-nilly.

Strangely enough, these are also the same people who, before Corona, used to say things like "Wehret den Anfängen" or "We must learn from our history" or "I certainly wouldn't have been there". And exactly these people have been there, exactly these people have learned nothing at all from history and have not resisted the beginnings, but have made the beginnings possible. My trust in society as a whole is no longer existent and I simply can't take many people seriously any more, when they once again recite their hollow phrases about the rule of law or whatever else.

The Corona period has shown who the people are who really stand up for the rule of law and the constitution and defend these values even under the most adverse circumstances. And it is precisely not those who have always shouted the loudest before this, at every media fart. And "strangely enough", most of those who like to vote for parties that are oh so committed to democracy and human rights have joined in.
But just so that this is not misunderstood, for me all parties are the same one-size-fits-all pap and the opposition would very likely have reacted just as totalitarian in government. It's just a fact that the electorate of the "good" parties has been the quickest to exclude other people and open the gates to totalitarianism.

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9th Feb. 2023, at 03:32 pm CET#939
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Falcon wrote on 09.02.2023 at 15:02:

This is simply not true. Even the media and politicians say that the current excess mortality has nothing to do with Corona.

Just an addendum. I am not referring to General excess mortality, but to those currently dying from/with Corona. The numbers have been higher for months than in parts of 2020, 2021 and 2022. https://share-your-photo.com/0f2b4437f2

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Falke
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9th Feb. 2023, at 04:03 pm CET#940
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Royal777 wrote on 09.02.2023 at 15:32:
Just an addendum. I am not referring to General excess mortality, but to those currently dying from/with Corona. The numbers have been higher for months than in parts of 2020, 2021 and 2022. https://share-your-photo.com/0f2b4437f2

But you should know that these data are not meaningful anyway.


And if, for example, more people die now because their surgeries were postponed or preventive examinations were neglected, then more deaths automatically appear in the statistics of coronary deaths. For the simple reason that testing is still going on like crazy in hospitals and every "positive" is then counted as a coronatoter, no matter what the actual cause was.

To cut a long story short: As long as this system is maintained, excess mortality automatically leads to a statistical increase in Corona.

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11th Feb. 2023, at 02:25 pm CET#941
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Falcon wrote on 09.02.2023 at 15:02:

And all the hangers-on don't care either. Where are now those who applauded loudly and thus made these injustices possible in the first place? Where are the arguments now with "we have to protect everyone", "solidarity", etc? All just nice-sounding stand-up phrases where you could feel a little better because you were "such a good person".


These fellow travelers are still in the majority and continuously propagate their nonsense. In the social networks, a clear majority is evident and in the major media houses, the findings are disregarded and it continues to maintain the narrative by dubious statements (There is no Corona) is attributed to the lateral thinkers and doctors . The article of the MDR is hardly one well-known
https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/deutschland/panorama/corona-impfung-wirkung-kritik-ungeimpfte-100.html

Furthermore it is measurable, that there.
a) a foreign protection gave
b) unvaccinated spread the virus faster
c) unvaccinated prevented herd immunity
...the facts, that the studies are exclusively directed to a tiny period after the vaccination and the measurable value lies with felt 0,0001% is not published, nevertheless it concerns with the three named points no lie, instead it is half-truths, Schwurbeleien. A popular term with the actual Schwurblern The population does not reach this important information, there bring also no Youtube videos with some hundred thousand clicks, the other 50 million believe namely further daily the large media.

The information that is transmitted is more relevant than truth. That should be clear to you.
The media determine which topic is hot right now, what to be outraged about, and people follow willy-nilly.

Yes, but stop to generalize the media, that is a found food. You should google the names of the editors of the Tagesschau as well as their memberships, that also applies to our political leadership. And then you ask the right questions...
Strangely enough, these are also the same people who, before Corona, always said sentences like "Wehret den Anfängen" or "we must learn from our history" or "I would certainly not have been there".

That's right. And do you know what these people are doing now although they quoted Albert Einstein before?
"I am not sure with what weapons the third world war will be fought, but in the fourth world war they will fight with sticks and stones"

Corona time has shown(...)

You are save under 25, otherwise you would not have used Corona as an example.

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11th Feb. 2023, at 03:06 pm CET#942
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Royal777 wrote on 11.02.2023 at 14:25:


" Yes I do, but stop blanketing the media that is a found food"


I'm not stopping with anything at all that is true. ALL, exclusively ALL big media houses have hit the same notch. And anyone who denies that has a huge perception problem. There were (except for very rare individual comments) no critical words from the established media, that's a fact.

" You are save under 25, otherwise you would not have taken Corona as an example."

Am I times save not. And yes, there are many other examples. But to experience that live, is then but again a whole other thing. And that then really so many people, in such extreme things participate, has me then also frightened. It is one thing to know or assume something and something completely different to experience it yourself.

It's amazing how you as a blameless citizen, who stands in the middle of society, is suddenly criminalized overnight, threatened and marginalized and so many people have participated and applauded. Every individual who did not stand up against this injustice should be ashamed, and never again should these people use the word human rights or fundamental rights.

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11th Feb. 2023, at 04:15 pm CET#943
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It's easy to see how many people are influenced by the (leading) media. A good example was the time of the first lockdowns. In the media the "end of the world" was prophesied and already the hoarding purchases started and after the 1st day there was no more cardboard, no pasta, no flour, no oil....

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12th Feb. 2023, at 11:28 am CET#944
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refucs wrote on 11.02.2023 at 16:15: It is just very easy how many can be steered by (leading) media. A good example was the time of the first lockdowns. In the media the "end of the world" was prophesied and already the hoarding purchases started and after the 1st day there was no more cardboard, no pasta, no flour, no oil....

Rumor has it that some people still have to take noodles and toilet paper with cocoa every day

But seriously I've never understood these idiots at the end of the world I get things to protect my belongings and no shithouse paper and stupid noodles even the preparation for the end of the world we manage to make completely boring in DE

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12th Feb. 2023, at 02:32 pm CET#945
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