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Off topic & small talk: Current Topic CoronaVirus / Opinion, Exchange (Page 87)

Topic created on 27th Feb. 2020 | Page: 87 of 94 | Answers: 939 | Views: 154,248
s00pernanny
Experienced
And your statement about prevented clinic cuts is also wrong:

https://www.aerzteblatt.de/archiv/5669/Bettenabbau-in-Krankenhaeusern-Kahlschlag-statt-Reformen

"Between 1990 and 1995, 122 of Germany's initial 2,447 hospitals were closed."

And even after that, cutbacks continued.

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s00pernanny
Experienced
More recent figures:

"Between 1991 and 2016, 460 hospitals were closed in Germany and 166,847 beds were dismantled . The reduction took place primarily in public and non-profit hospitals."


https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Gesundheit/Krankenhaeuser/Publikationen/Downloads-Krankenhaeuser/grunddaten-krankenhaeuser-2120611177004.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=4

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Falko
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The Sivie big HSV fan works in the rescue service and belonged to the first group at the vaccinations. On Wednesday he was vaccinated with AstraZeneca and how he is currently after the vaccination, he told today in this video.

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mowolum
Elite
Falko wrote on 14.02.2021 at 21:43: The Sivie big HSV fan works in the rescue service and was part of the first group at the vaccinations. On Wednesday he was vaccinated with AstraZeneca and how he is currently after the vaccination, he told today in this video.

That's intense, mannoman,
it's scary.
I am not against vaccination, but I will not do it.
Now not because of the video, but, I am more afraid of what the possible side effects can be.
No one has enough experience to exclude the possibility of late effects.
It is not excluded that it may affect the lungs and brain.
So I will wait, maybe forever.the flu vaccination has knocked my socks off and therefore, no, I do not.

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Falko
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mowolum wrote on 02/14/2021 at 10:03 pm
That's intense,mannoman,
there one gets yes fear.
I am not against vaccination, but I will not do it.
Now not because of the video, but, I am more afraid of what the possible side effects can be.
No one has enough experience to exclude the possibility of late effects.
It is not excluded that it may affect the lungs and brain.
So I will wait, maybe forever.the flu vaccine has knocked me socks off and therefore, no, I do not.

The Sivie here in the video has also made very many videos before about Corona and was always for the vaccination and against vaccination opponents. Therefore, I found that very surprising now that he has made this video and even so bad experiences with the vaccination now makes through. Awesome I also find that his family doctor has simply rejected him again, after he has visited him because of his vaccination pain. I don't understand why the AstraZeneca vaccine is still being given to people here. In South Africa, the vaccine was discontinued because it does not provide sufficient protection against the South African mutation. And this mutation is now spreading here with us and if this vaccine offers hardly any protection against it, you can't continue to administer something like that. They just don't want to be stuck with the AstraZeneca vaccine doses they bought and that's why the stuff is now being sprayed all over the place, come what may regardless of whether it helps or not.

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Begbie
Elite
mowolum wrote on 02/14/2021 at 10:03 pm
That's intense,mannoman,
there one gets yes fear.
I am not against vaccination, but I will not do it.
Now not because of the video, but, I am more afraid of what the possible side effects can be.
No one has enough experience to exclude the possibility of late effects.
It is not excluded that it may affect the lungs and brain.
So I will wait, maybe forever.the flu vaccine has knocked me socks off and therefore, no, I do not.

People under 65 with a reasonably intact immune system need neither an influenza nor a SarsCov2 vaccination. Don't be fooled by the media propaganda and the profiteers of fear aka the pharmaceutical industry.

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Saphira
Expert
"Knock yourself out!" says the Sivie at the end, surely meaning vaccination. Great man! Half-impaired now, but indestructible. Surely an isolated case with its side effects just like the people who are dying like flies in nursing homes right now after vaccination. Of course because of their pre-existing diseases. Sivie doesn't have them, as he says, but he admits that there could be something he doesn't know yet. But the message is clear: get vaccinated! Bravo!

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B****3
I think every normal thinking person knows what to do

Masks are compulsory wherever possible.
Vaccinate as a matter of course

All this is for the protection of others, themselves

Sorry EVERYONE who writes something else here has not understood the pandemic or a lack of intelligence or wants to provoke. Completely pointless to talk with such people

Of course I can look for data here to prove this or that, but the vast majority shows how bad corona is.

And who that does not convince, who also believes that there are 6 books in book of dead 😀.

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Gammler80
Experienced
Critical questioning is always good and important, however constructive discussion about it is even more important nowadays. It's like always with black and white discussions, gray seems to be the best way. One must perceive all fears and take them seriously. However, everything should boil down to a solidary togetherness, not against each other, that seemingly fäll nowadays very difficult.Without valuation, I give to consider how many drugs people without twitching and read purepfeifen, each headache tablet has more side effects.A stimulating and fair conversation I wish you continue. Greetings

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mowolum
Elite

Blubbo33 wrote on 15.02.2021 at 07:21: I think every normal thinking person knows what to do

Mandatory masks everywhere you can.
Vaccinate as a matter of course

This is all to protect others, themselves

Sorry EVERYONE who writes something else here has not understood the pandemic or a lack of intelligence or wants to provoke. Completely pointless to talk with such people

Of course I can look for data here to prove this or that, but the vast majority shows how bad corona is.

And who that does not convince, who also believes that there are 6 books in book of dead 😀.


How can you then differently thinking insinuate a lack of intelligence.

It would be appropriate to deal with it sensibly.
It is not wrong to be in favor of vaccination, but still to consider the risks.
The vast majority has already understood that this pandemic will accompany us for many years and no one knows there an advice or a solution.
It is simply uncharted territory, and anyone who presumes to know better is hovering over everything.
Even the experts are dependent on new experiences in this respect every day,
The example with Sivie shows how helpless we basically are.A doctor leaves a sick person standing in front of the door,out of pure fear that it could also hit him.I can't explain this reaction any other way.
I mean, it can't be talked about often enough, only in this way new insights come to light.
Thank God for the Internet, where information spreads quickly.
You can discuss it forever and come to no denominator.But please do not stamp someone, we still have freedom of speech.
Of course, there is another way, my Vietnamese friend tells that it is handled in her country without freedom of expression in the form of locking away.
But even there the people are helpless against this pandemic.

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