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Off topic & small talk: Current Topic CoronaVirus / Opinion, Exchange (Page 56)

Topic created on 27th Feb. 2020 | Page: 56 of 94 | Answers: 939 | Views: 157,331
bruffl
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29th Mar. 2020, at 08:12 pm CEST#553
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i assume that something like this would leak out
The western governments would quickly (I know, this is a foreign word for the German government) pass new laws

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upola
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29th Mar. 2020, at 08:19 pm CEST#554
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Maybe the AFD is behind it, too.

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29th Mar. 2020, at 08:31 pm CEST#555
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upola wrote on 29.03.2020 at 20:19: Maybe the AFD is behind it.

in case of doubt they are to blame, of course.
But I don't think it's credible that they bring something like that to China......
In any case, it's a shitty situation
And if the virus still mutates...

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29th Mar. 2020, at 10:57 pm CEST#556
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upola wrote on 03/29/2020 at 10:16 am

Who knows me here, knows that I do not think anything of conspiracy theories.

But in the meantime I think that the media is spreading panic.

Yesterday at RTL.
A 16 year old girl died in France without any previous illness. without an autopsy it is claimed that she died of corona.
And then the reporter still stands and says "The virus has reached a whole new dimension".

This is no longer serious reporting.

I also don't believe in conspiracy theories if they are groundless and lack any logic. Of course, each individual defines for himself where reality ends for him and the conspiracy idea begins. This probably varies similarly to morality. But I don't have to be a conspiracy theorist in the current crisis to see quite clearly that panic is being deliberately spread. That's what my mind tells me

Nor do I need to be a psychiatrist to know that phrases like "the virus has reached a whole new dimension" must be a trigger for those who are innately afraid of illness or suffer from pre-existing conditions. Whether the girl actually died of Corona or not, the message from the media remains: "It is getting worse and worse and we are helpless in the face of it". This is no different with ARD and ZDF or other so-called serious media. They all spread the same message, which leads me to the conclusion that a danger that is only hyped up big enough (once it was terror, now it is Corona) justifies certain means or makes us say "yes" to things we would never have advocated otherwise. A few virologists are driving all the governments of the world before them. That's what's really scary to me

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29th Mar. 2020, at 11:24 pm CEST#557
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Stromberg wrote on 29.03.2020 at 11:09 am
So I read and see clearly also the mainstream media, but only news and no tabloid shows on the private channels, which usually report on Ballermann vacations etc and now just about corona.
Not least because of videos and articles posted here, but I have also read / seen a lot that represents a different opinion
I also find depictions such as with the 16 year old girl what upola addressed inappropriate. These are tragic individual fates that say little about the overall situation

Nevertheless, I have come to the conclusion that the current measures are necessary. The reasons for this I had already expressed several times
Example Italy: even if a part of the coronatoten nevertheless died from another illness, the numbers are nevertheless very high. In addition, there are of course also coronatotes who are not recorded because they died at home, for example
Then this number has come up in a few weeks and that despite unprecedented containment measures
As the number would look, if one had taken no measures against the spread and the whole was extrapolated to a period such as the flu season, then you can imagine what would come out... There would be the much quoted 25000 flu deaths 2017/2018 in DE but little against. And even with these 25000 deaths, by the way, the cause of death was not always clearly the flu (I say this because it is so often said that nothing would have been done against it)

I read and looked usually also only the messages of the "respectable" media and Boulevard transmissions on private transmitters only, in order to know, which wants to be mediated there then in such a way. It was only in this crisis that I began to look elsewhere and find logical answers for myself. I like to research and reflect. What is complete nonsense, I click away. But even in the biggest nonsense sometimes a part of the truth can be hidden. That's why I just don't want to commit myself and stay flexible. Fixating on a single news source also bears the danger of one-sidedness. That's why I look at pretty much everything and decide according to feeling and reason. In this respect, I don't find Upola's example inappropriate. In a situation where everyone is at a loss anyway and doesn't really know anything, this also has its justification. It can be true, it doesn't have to be

I can't explain the high numbers in Italy and Spain either. In comparison, we are doing quite well at the moment. I think the extent of the burden on the healthcare system in Spain, Italy and the USA is real. But that, too, could have been known when you cut the public systems (or don't have them in the first place, as in the U.S.), which is then the receipt that was to be expected. But then what I don't understand - and what is never explained - is how the hell did the Italians cope with the supposed 20,000+ flu deaths in 2016/2017? There was no shutdown of the country, no state of emergency declared or borders closed. That doesn't add up at all

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30th Mar. 2020, at 08:54 am CEST#558
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It is undisputed that the health care systems have been cut to the bone, and this should also be mentioned in order to make things better in the future. But of course that doesn't help at the moment

I don't know how the Italians coped with the flu epidemic; it's possible that chaotic conditions prevailed there as well, but it wasn't noticed due to a lack of media attention.
Due to a certain basic immunity in the population and an available vaccination, the Risk of infection will probably be much smaller, so that a spread like Corona was not to be expected. Therefore, no such rigorous measures were taken. It is now times a large problem with corona that nobody is inoculated, nobody has an immunity (except the now healed presumably) and the virus is very contagious. I would consider these as reasons

Also, I can't imagine it's just a few virologists influencing governments worldwide
If you look at who is financially affected by the measures, from oil exporters to banking/finance, professional sports to large corporations that depend on supply chains, then it should be possible to disprove or at least seriously question the necessity of the measures with the help of other virologists and appropriate financial resources. In a scientific paper that goes beyond a Youtube video

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30th Mar. 2020, at 10:01 am CEST#559
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Nevertheless, I naturally also wonder whether it is at all foreseeable what the measures will mean for the economy and thus also for many citizens. And whether they are in proportion. Of course, you can't compare money and health, but in the end, difficult economic conditions could also lead to health problems

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30th Mar. 2020, at 01:06 pm CEST#560
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Stromberg wrote on 30.03.2020 at 10:01: Nevertheless, of course, I also wonder whether it is at all foreseeable what the measures mean for the economy and thus also for many citizens. And whether they are in proportion. Of course, money and health cannot be compared, but in the end, difficult economic conditions could also lead to health problems

There are currently two loud voices

1) Virus not so bad measures unjustified (mostly from virologists)

2) virus much worse than flu etc... measures 100% justified

Do you already know this ? what do you think ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsExPrHCHbw&t=528s

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30th Mar. 2020, at 02:44 pm CEST#561
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Very interesting, says about the same as in the videoo what was also posted here.

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30th Mar. 2020, at 02:49 pm CEST#562
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Open letter to Angela Merkel from Prof. Bhakdi

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