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Off topic & small talk: Crime & Myths (Page 4)

Topic created on 06th Feb. 2023 | Page: 4 of 6 | Answers: 86 | Views: 8,360
Jenn-R
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9th Feb. 2023, at 06:57 am CET#46
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Royal777 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 23:18:

Interesting thoughts! I rule out a fall as well as an accident, however I find your theory quite conclusive! I didn't even think of the "SOS" and the Pringles can.

Due to the large time span, the backpack, the smoothly cut ankle and that a computer was used for the deletion of the photo, I believe that the two women were kidnapped immediately after the last selfie and brought into a shelter, as the mother of the murdered witnesses had reproduced it. The rest of the photos were taken by the perpetrator.

Yes, so somehow it will probably have run, the ankle is just also very sus, that can never happen in nem accident so, without cracks etc., was just the search party then also pulled off as they "found" what, but the rest-no trace.

Quite strangely, there some inhabitants on site know certainly also more than they can/are allowed to say. Sadly sad and RIP.

But that the perpetrator should have made the rest of the pictures I do not believe, of course the police in such countries after line & thread of the cartel fooled and lured on false trails with it, but I remain with my theory that the two girls have made or one of them, as I have described above, then also the photos already make sense to me.
But who knows? For them the case is stamped as "Lost Hiking Accident", who believes it.

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refucs
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9th Feb. 2023, at 08:48 am CET#47
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Jenn-R wrote on 09.02.2023 at 06:57:

Yes, so somehow it will probably have run off, the ankle is just also very sus, that can never happen in nem accident so, without cracks, etc., was just the search party then also pulled off as they "found" what, but the rest-no trace.

Quite strangely, there some inhabitants on site know certainly also more than they can/are allowed to say. Sadly sad and RIP.

But that the perpetrator should have made the rest of the pictures I do not believe, of course the police in such countries after line & thread of the cartel fooled and lured on false trails with it, but I remain with my theory that the two girls have made or one of them, as I have described above, then also the photos already make sense to me.
But who knows? For them the case is stamped as "Lost Hiking Accident", who believes it.

I do believe that the last pictures were taken by the perpetrators or not by the women. That was a whole week later. The women were no longer alive or had no control over their technical devices. This is supported by the fact that there were only 2 emergency calls on the day of the disappearance and no other attempts to contact the outside world via SMS or Whatsapp or to use other functions on the cell phone. In addition, the strange interval-like cell phone use in the days after.

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Olli_Eule
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9th Feb. 2023, at 09:03 am CET#48
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refucs wrote on 09.02.2023 at 05:32:
It's not clear from the videos either, I recommend you read through the ruling with reasoning and the circumstantial evidence/facts when you have some time.


That is for ME then a clear thing. -> https://openjur.de/u/841958.html

This woman is guilty. Ice cold.

The key was placed next to the stairs for this to be found. The key comes from the house. She or her husband had one of their own, which was also found at their home after the crime. So why would those killed put a key from themselves outside next to the stairs? Why would any perpetrator, who is not you, get into the house without any signs of burglary, kill the couple, take nothing with them, and then take a front door key out with them and put it next to the stairs? That's another amateurish move to cover up this crime.

Yes true and that she claims that she wanted to kill herself that night. And that she asked an acquaintance to get a rental car in her name. It's all very strange. And with the cut she had because she touched rotten meat.

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Anonym

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9th Feb. 2023, at 11:54 am CET#49
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Jenn-R wrote on 09.02.2023 at 06:57:

Yes, so somehow it will probably have run off, the ankle is just also very sus, that can never happen in nem accident so, without cracks, etc., was just the search party then also pulled off as they "found" what, but the rest-no trace.

Quite strangely, there some inhabitants on site know certainly also more than they can/are allowed to say. Sadly sad and RIP.

But that the perpetrator should have made the rest of the pictures I do not believe, of course the police in such countries after line & thread of the cartel fooled and lured on false trails with it, but I remain with my theory that the two girls have made or one of them, as I have described above, then also the photos already make sense to me.
But who knows? For them the case is stamped as "Lost Hiking Accident", who believes it.

With the sudden night photos I miss selfies, besides it was possible to make videos, also in the days before. In this one could have described the situation. Generally give an inventory. For this, no apps were opened (WhatsApp, Insta, Facebook, Telegram, Skype) or functions such as SMS. After all, it was proven that GoogleMAPS was still opened before the disappearance, but not afterwards. Finally, there was only a photo of the hair, whether the back of the head or from the front is unclear, in any case, the head looks narrow, so to speak smashed


By the way, I think it is possible that the guide was involved, although he was very helpful. According to him, the girls were accompanied by his dog, but this is not to be seen on any photo. The girls had so much fun and time to take pictures, the dog should have been seen several times

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Jenn-R
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9th Feb. 2023, at 01:54 pm CET#50
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Royal777 wrote on 09.02.2023 at 11:54:
With the sudden night photos I miss selfies, besides it was yes possible to make videos, also in the days before. In this one could have described the situation. Generally give an inventory. For this, no apps were opened (WhatsApp, Insta, Facebook, Telegram, Skype) or functions such as SMS. After all, it was proven that GoogleMAPS was still opened before the disappearance, but not afterwards. Finally, there was only a photo of the hair, whether the back of the head or from the front is unclear, in any case, the head looks narrow, so to speak smashed


By the way, I think it is possible that the guide was involved, although he was very helpful. According to him, the girls were accompanied by his dog, but this is not to be seen on any photo. The girls had so much fun and time to take pictures, the dog should have been seen several times

Well, questions about questions

But the statement with the dog can not be true, which is neither 1x to see somewhere on it, and nor was the with the two women together loslaufen seen, said a vegetable farmer who has worked in her garden and both on her break directly before the way has seen
So quite quite strange everything

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roccoammo11
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10th Feb. 2023, at 01:16 am CET#51
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Caro wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:25 pm:

I am reading the book "The Golden Glove"... sick guy, I just say

i just saw it on netflix..it was really good but also disgusting

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Anonym

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10th Feb. 2023, at 03:43 pm CET#52
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What do you say about the current case Nicola Bulley?
https://www.rtl.de/cms/vermisstenfall-nicola-bulley-macht-experten-ratlos-wird-das-verschwinden-der-zweifachen-mutter-niemals-geklaert-5029450.html
Kidnapped? Drowned? Run away? Missing411?

A few facts:
- Dry dog fur, didn't have a ball with her
- Cell phone was on the park bench and she was still logged into the conference
- Disappearance happened within a few minutes

Another video on the case starting at 10:00
https://youtu.be/v4svrCLkkls?t=660

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Anonym

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10th Feb. 2023, at 04:18 pm CET#53
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Royal777 wrote on 02/10/2023 at 3:43 pm: What do you say about the current case Nicola Bulley?
https://www.rtl.de/cms/vermisstenfall-nicola-bulley-macht-experten-ratlos-wird-das-verschwinden-der-zweifachen-mutter-niemals-geklaert-5029450.html
Kidnapped? Drowned? Run off? Missing411?

A few facts:
- Dry dog fur, did not have a ball with her
- Cell phone was on the park bench and she was still logged into the conference
- Disappearance happened within a few minutes

Another video on the case starting at 10:00
https://youtu.be/v4svrCLkkls?t=660

Drowned I don't think, so not as a classic accident. Since it is so close to the water, it is already a pretty classic Missing411 case for me. There should be also always sudden weather changes, was there something like that? It was said only from strong fog what, but not what was afterwards or whether it remained foggy. As is so often the case, it is difficult to find a reasonable approach when so many things are possible.

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refucs
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10th Feb. 2023, at 04:36 pm CET#54
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Royal777 wrote on 02/10/2023 at 3:43 pm: What do you say about the current case Nicola Bulley?
https://www.rtl.de/cms/vermisstenfall-nicola-bulley-macht-experten-ratlos-wird-das-verschwinden-der-zweifachen-mutter-niemals-geklaert-5029450.html
Kidnapped? Drowned? Run off? Missing411?

A few facts:
- Dry dog fur, did not have a ball with her
- Cell phone was on the park bench and she was still logged into the conference
- Disappearance happened within a few minutes

Another video on the case starting at 10:00
https://youtu.be/v4svrCLkkls?t=660

Interesting would be that with the cameras, whether this park has several entrances etc... Then one would have to see somehow whether she is still to be seen on the other cameras after a certain time. They will probably already have done that, so there is much to suggest that she may have drowned, for whatever reason... Because at 09.10 o'clock someone had waved to her and shortly after 09.30 o'clock she was already gone or no longer traceable. With a crime the dog and the cell phone would not have remained nevertheless at the bank, hold I for very improbably. Otherwise, someone would have had to stun her quickly and that would have been seen somewhere on cameras if there had still been someone. Just do not know exactly how the cameras are arranged there now and how many input / output options there are...


But the police will have already gone through all that. Very funny. If it has been very foggy, of course, with less than 10 meters visibility, you can of course also "disappear" undetected even in broad daylight...

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Anonym

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10th Feb. 2023, at 05:11 pm CET#55
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refucs wrote on 10.02.2023 at 16:36:

That would be interesting with the cameras, whether this park has several entrances etc... Then one would have to see somehow whether she is still to be seen on the other cameras after a certain time.

On Google Earth and Google Maps I recognize a few paths that lead to the settlements, however, these are monitored by cameras and on those she was not visible.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8636501,-2.8149771,258m/data=!3m1!1e3
There was also no suspect transporting anything conspicuous, for example. Of course there is still the possibility to escape over water as well as across the few fields and bushes
so there is much to suggest that she may have drowned, for whatever reason...

In many places the water is only a few centimeters high, so the lifeboat had to be pushed, otherwise the motor-screw would touch the ground. In addition, the river does not run in a straight line, instead there are several 90° - 120° angles within a few hundred meters, so to speak, a body could have gotten caught/must have.
There are also no traces of slipping on the bank, so I don't think she drowned.
Because at 09.10 o'clock someone had waved to her and shortly after 09.30 o'clock she was already gone or no longer discoverable. In case of a crime, the dog and the cell phone would not have remained at the bank, I think it is very unlikely. Otherwise, someone would have had to stun her quickly and that would have been seen somewhere on cameras if there had still been someone.

All the cameras are working except one, the one at the park bench of all places. All the people who went into the park have also demonstrably left the park. But you have probably already correctly recognized that she disappeared during the conference call.

I can imagine that someone feigned a solvable emergency situation and then called the Nicola. She recognized the problem immediately and knew that she could help quickly, which is why the cell phone and the dog leash were put down only briefly...

@SlottiKarotti
I didn't read anything about a sudden weather change, that would have been mentioned by Mythi for sure. The said fog on these waters at this time of year usual

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refucs
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10th Feb. 2023, at 05:33 pm CET#56
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Royal777 wrote on 10/02/2023 at 17:11:
All cameras work except one, the one at the park bench of all places. All the people who went into the park have also been shown to have left the park. But you probably already got that right, that she already disappeared during the conference call.

I can imagine that someone feigned a solvable emergency situation and then called the Nicola. She recognized the problem immediately and knew that she could help quickly, which is why the cell phone and the dog leash were put down only briefly...

@SlottiKarotti
I didn't read anything about a sudden weather change, that would have been mentioned by Mythi for sure. The said fog on these waters at this time of year usual

The water is of course extremely cold at this time of year, maybe she had a medical emergency in the water for a short time and then drifted away quietly.


But if she was kidnapped, it must have been very clever without leaving a single trace or that no one noticed anything and the dog remained obediently near the bank. A loyal dog never stays at the same place if his master or mistress is violently kidnapped / attacked or dragged away. That is for me the question mark, the dog can be a key with this history.


On the opposite side from the bank is a property. If there were screams/cries for help, something might have been heard there. A kidnapping would have to have taken place in the direction of the little house, because there is nothing obstructed for a while. But one would have to cross the river then again at some point or otherwise through a residential area to run away with the woman.

Really interesting. But why was the dog still at the bank, that's the most interesting question for me.

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Anonym

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10th Feb. 2023, at 05:56 pm CET#57
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refucs wrote on 10.02.2023 at 17:33:

The water is of course extremely cold at this time of year, perhaps she had a medical emergency in the water briefly then and drifted off quietly.


But if she was kidnapped, it must have been very clever without leaving a single trace or that no one noticed anything and the dog remained obediently near the bank. A loyal dog never stays at the same place if his master or mistress is violently kidnapped / attacked or dragged away. That is for me the question mark, the dog can be a key with this history.


On the opposite side from the bank is a property. If there were screams/cries for help, something might have been heard there. A kidnapping would have to have taken place in the direction of the little house, because there is nothing obstructed for a while. But one would have to cross the river then again at some point or otherwise through a residential area to run away with the woman.

Really interesting. But why was the dog still at the bank, that's the most interesting question for me.


The dog was found by a resident at the park bench, this ran constantly back and forth, but not to the water. In addition, it was completely dry. From a barking, yapping or whining was also not reported....Very strange Actually, one assumes that the dog could contribute to the solution. There is no apparent reason that she went to the water. Here are 3 more photos of the bank and the surrounding area:
Bank+River
Bench+Field
Shed+Field+River

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refucs
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10th Feb. 2023, at 06:08 pm CET#58
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Royal777 wrote on 10.02.2023 at 17:56:

The dog was found by a resident at the park bench, this one kept running back and forth but not to the water. In addition, he was completely dry. From a barking, yapping or whining was also not reported....Very strange Actually one assumes that the dog could contribute to the solution. There is no apparent reason that she went to the water. Here are 3 more photos of the bank and the surrounding area:
Bank+River
Bench+Field
Shed+Field+River


Direction shed is the only way to escape relatively undetected. According to the maps there are a lot of fields and free land.

In the 2nd picture is just on the other side of the caravan park interesting. And opposite as already mentioned the estate.

Also you have to consider that the trees have no leaves, at least most of them. Thus the recognizability within the environment is probably better than in spring/summer/autumn, unless it was strongly foggy.

One would have to know how the dog ticks, is it very affectionate, does it defend its owner or does it bark when something is wrong? That should be possible to find out.

When I think of my dogs that I have had so far, they would only have stayed in place if something had happened to me.

The cell phone is on the bench, is online. That means she knowingly went somewhere fast because something happened or she was surprised from behind and stunned (The question is then, how was she taken from the place and in which direction, rather direction of the caravan park or direction of the small hut?). Or thirdly, she left everything, told the dog to sit there and she started a new life. Or fourthly, for whatever reason she went/fell into the river and drowned untraceably.

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10th Feb. 2023, at 09:15 pm CET#59
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10th Feb. 2023, at 09:39 pm CET#60
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