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Anonym

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7th Feb. 2023, at 09:06 pm CET#16

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Royal777 wrote on 07.02.2023 at 20:58:

This is indeed an awesome case, and extremely strange. Meanwhile, there is plenty of new information, including the stories of Margarita V., which sound credible to me.
Presumably, the two girls were picked up by a group and abducted, abused and ultimately murdered. Nevertheless, the public prosecutor's office sticks to its account that it was still an accident....

Old video (Jarow)
New video (Insolito)
Another point of view can be found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmdRU1VNIQU&ab_channel=RottenRavenStudios

Thanks, I didn't know this new information. In any case very creepy the case with all the random snapshots at night. It was suspected that they tried to explore the way. Organ mafia was also one of the first things that came to my mind about the case.

And of course, the prosecution has good reason to stick to the accident story for the time being. After all, that doesn't make for good press abroad at all, and could affect tourism.

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7th Feb. 2023, at 09:06 pm CET#17

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Royal777 wrote on 07.02.2023 at 20:58:

This is indeed an awesome case, and extremely strange. Meanwhile, there is plenty of new information, including the stories of Margarita V., which sound credible to me.
Presumably, the two girls were picked up by a group and abducted, abused and ultimately murdered. Nevertheless, the prosecution sticks to its account that it was still an accident....

Old video (Jarow)
New video (Insolito)
Another point of view can be found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmdRU1VNIQU&ab_channel=RottenRavenStudios

Yes the theses of Margarita are at least noteworthy. And also the 3 deaths in the 12 months after this story more than coincidence. All (indirectly) involved with the disappearance of the young women.

Too bad this one will probably never be solved either. The clues that the cell phones and camera have given, just to shudder.... There you need no horror movie with such a case...

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7th Feb. 2023, at 09:31 pm CET#18

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The hair photo is scary...

According to the new findings, I don't believe that the night photos were taken by the girls, nor the emergency calls. All planned by the kidnappers. Because immediately after the last selfie a photo was deleted and that with the help of a computer. (Photo 509). Probably because the faces of the perpetrators were on it

For me, the only question is about the murderers and their motive? Organ traff**king, abuse, ... I exclude both a fall and a wild animal attack...

A few years ago a German tourist disappeared in the jungle of Panama, after more than 3 days she met a group of young men who pretended to be helpers of the rescue team. However, this was a lie, the girl was abused and could only escape death by luck. Immediately afterwards, the perpetrators were caught and sentenced to relatively long prison terms
https://imperfectplan.com/2021/01/21/german-tourist-assaulted-disappeared-lost-in-panama-jungles-bermejo-veraguas-santa-fe/

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7th Feb. 2023, at 10:16 pm CET#19

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Royal777 wrote on 07.02.2023 at 21:31: The hair photo is scary...

According to the new findings, I don't believe that the night photos were taken by the girls, nor the 911 calls. All planned by the kidnappers. Because immediately after the last selfie a photo was deleted and that with the help of a computer. (Photo 509). Probably because the faces of the perpetrators were on it

For me, the only question is about the murderers and their motive? Organ traff**king, abuse, ... I exclude both a fall and a wild animal attack...

A few years ago a German tourist disappeared in the jungle of Panama, after more than 3 days she met a group of young men who pretended to be helpers of the rescue team. However, this was a lie, the girl was mistreated and could only escape death by luck. Immediately afterwards, the perpetrators were caught and sentenced to relatively long prison terms
https://imperfectplan.com/2021/01/21/german-tourist-assaulted-disappeared-lost-in-panama-jungles-bermejo-veraguas-santa-fe/

I see also sexual abuse as motive No. 1. The women must have come very fast into the power of the men, because the only two emergency calls came in each case from their two cell phones only scarcely 3 hours after the descent of the "mountain". Since it was still daylight, then nothing more, no attempts to write SMS or Whatsapp as one would do it otherwise if calls do not work. In addition, as I said, only 1 call from each cell phone. That makes no man if he needs help, there one would try it several times. In addition the further call attempts and Handyein-/-Ausaltungen in the days thereafter... plus the high point that everything is found together in their backpack 2 months later, neatly stored. This stinks from back to front. Unfortunately, no one is held accountable.

One can only hope that this mountain guide has nothing to do with it...

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8th Feb. 2023, at 08:54 am CET#20

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What do you think of the Jens Söring case?

In my eyes, he was rightly sentenced. That he is now a free man again, after a double murder, he should see that as a great gift. He can lead a normal life in Germany again. Normally, he would rot in jail in the USA for the rest of his life.

His confession alone has so much perpetrator knowledge. If this man is supposed to be innocent, I'll eat my hat.

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8th Feb. 2023, at 09:41 am CET#21

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refucs wrote on 08.02.2023 at 08:54: What do you think of the case Jens Söring?

In my eyes he was rightly sentenced. That he is now a free man again, after a double murder, he should see that as a great gift. He can lead a normal life in Germany again. Normally, he would rot in jail in the USA for the rest of his life.

His confession alone has so much perpetrator knowledge. If this man is supposed to be innocent, I'll eat my hat.

By the way, the podcast "Das System Söring" is great.

Because Söring himself sells only his view of things as innocent, and constantly rattles off the same story. If critical questions come, he does not go into it. See "Leeroy wills wissen" and similar other formats.

A double murderer who is still allowed to earn money with his story of lies. A tragedy.

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8th Feb. 2023, at 11:36 am CET#22

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refucs wrote on 08.02.2023 at 08:54: What do you think of the case Jens Söring?

In my eyes he was rightly sentenced. That he is now a free man again, after a double murder, he should see that as a great gift. He can lead a normal life in Germany again. Normally, he would rot in jail in the USA for the rest of his life.

His confession alone has so much perpetrator knowledge. If this man is supposed to be innocent, I'll eat my hat.

I was not familiar with the case until today, so I watched a short report to get an overview.
FocusTV

My first impression is that he was not the murderer but at least a confidant and protected the actual perpetrator. In my eyes his girlfriend at that time was the mastermind and instigator, possibly even the murderer. A witch who took advantage of naive lovers by her charm and a little sucking. The Söring was head over heels in the Verschossen and fled with her after the deed and began to become criminals continuously...

In the above mentioned report there is an important witness, namely Tony Buchanan (from 13:50), in my eyes he is not mistaken and has consequently seen the True Perpetrator, probably also a poor lover of Elizabeth. By the modern DNA examinations one could attribute the traces at the crime scene to Elizabeth as well as to an unknown person. The one of Söring is missing.

Basically, I think the conviction is correct, because the Söring had the opportunity to prevent the murder, moreover, he had demonstrably explicit knowledge of the crime. Furthermore, I find it unacceptable that felons and murderers write and sell books from prison. The proceeds usually do not go to the relatives of the victims. The mass murderer Anders Brevik from Norway was also allowed to sell his book

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8th Feb. 2023, at 11:52 am CET#23

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I was Christmas around in DE and as some know, I have 2 dogs and thus the flying falls flat and drive accordingly always with the car for 2 days the route from Malta to Germany. Normally I always go in company, because it is already about 1800km. Now, however, was in December such a heavy freezing rain, the flights were canceled and my actual co-driver was stuck in DE. Willy-nilly I had to take the route alone on me.

Of course I was nervous and had bissl bammel before the trip (although I have driven the route 3-4 times)...

My best friend made me aware of a few podcasts, which I can listen to during the ride. Among other things on the podcast "abgründe". It's a true-crime podcast from northern Bavaria. I find it pretty awesome, but still interesting. Even more so, my sister is a police officer in Franconia and we often talk about the cases.

One case that gives me the shivers is #5 The Double Murder of Schnaittach...you have to listen to it. Or also the episode of the Youtuber, Drachenlord.

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8th Feb. 2023, at 12:18 pm CET#24

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The case with Lars Mittank is really awesome, unbelievable ...

What really got me was the series of murders by Firtz Honka, the Sant Pauli murderer from Hamburg. The fact that he hid the dismembered bodies in the apartment is just disgusting.

There is also a film by Fatih Akin. However, this is not for the faint of heart

The number 1 program for crime is since my childhood XY unsolved

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8th Feb. 2023, at 12:25 pm CET#25

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david84 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:18: The case with Lars Mittank is really awesome, unbelievable ...

What really got me was the series of murders by Firtz Honka, the Sant Pauli murderer from Hamburg. The fact that he has hidden the dismembered bodies in the apartment is just disgusting.

There is also a film by Fatih Akin. However, this is not for the faint of heart

The number 1 program for crime is since my childhood Aktenzeichen XY unsolved

I'm currently reading the book "The Golden Glove"... sick guy, I just say

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8th Feb. 2023, at 12:27 pm CET#26

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david84 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:18: The case with Lars Mittank is really awesome, unbelievable ...

What really got me was the series of murders by Firtz Honka, the Sant Pauli murderer from Hamburg. The fact that he has hidden the dismembered bodies in the apartment is just disgusting.

There is also a film by Fatih Akin. However, this is not for the faint of heart

The number 1 program for crime is since my childhood Aktenzeichen XY unsolved

When you see Aktenzeichen xy I get scared, next week again with U Bahn Treter on their victim einpruegeln. You really have to watch out.

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8th Feb. 2023, at 12:45 pm CET#27

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Royal777 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 11:36 am:
I was not familiar with the case until today, so I watched a short report to get an overview.
FocusTV

My first impression is that he was not the murderer but at least a confidant and protected the actual perpetrator. In my eyes his girlfriend at that time was the mastermind and instigator, possibly even the murderer. A witch who took advantage of naive lovers by her charm and a little sucking. The Söring was head over heels in the Verschossen and fled with her after the deed and began to become criminals continuously...

In the above mentioned report there is an important witness, namely Tony Buchanan (from 13:50), in my eyes he is not mistaken and has consequently seen the True Perpetrator, probably also a poor lover of Elizabeth. By the modern DNA examinations one could attribute the traces at the crime scene to Elizabeth as well as to an unknown person. The one of Söring is missing.

Basically, I think the conviction is correct, because the Söring had the opportunity to prevent the murder, moreover, he had demonstrably explicit knowledge of the crime. Furthermore, I find it unacceptable that felons and murderers write and sell books from prison. The proceeds usually do not go to the victims' relatives. The mass murderer Anders Brevik from Norway was also allowed to sell his book

Honestly, the case is so confused. Tens of different experts with tens of different opinions. So many theories, all of which make sense at first, but then there's a little catch somewhere. I saw a documentary about this a few years ago, and it was made in such a way that you were pretty sure of his innocence afterwards.

Now I read the wiki article again, and I am pretty sure of his guilt. All those violent fantasies, and also confessions of murder to prisoners (supposedly to show off). Also that mocking note he left for the officers before he escaped. It all now makes me think along the lines of "spoiled diplomat boy who thinks he can get away with anything". I don't know what to make of it all.

But something else: If you have prime, check out "Gefesselt", a really good true crime series about one of the most famous criminal cases, the so-called acid barrel killer.

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8th Feb. 2023, at 01:21 pm CET#28

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refucs wrote on 08.02.2023 at 09:41:
Super to this is übrig the podcast "The system Söring".

Because Söring himself sells over all only his view of things as innocent, and constantly rattles off the same story. If critical questions come, he does not go into it. See "Leeroy wills wissen" and similar other formats.

SlottiKarotti wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:45 pm:

Honestly, this case is so convoluted. Tens of different experts with tens of different opinions. So many theories that all make sense at first but then a little catch somewhere. I saw a documentary about this a few years ago, and it was made in such a way that you were pretty sure of his innocence afterwards.

There you have mentioned a few parade examples
There are lawyers, journalists as well as authors who purposefully allow a single conclusion in their articles and videos by leaving out facts and presenting only one perspective. This manipulates the opinion of the population, then pressure can be built up on the judiciary. In this way, the decisions of judges and governors can be influenced so as not to tarnish their public image.

What has more weight in a verdict, the forensics or the consistent statements of eyewitnesses who contradict the irrefutable evidence of forensics?

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8th Feb. 2023, at 01:54 pm CET#29

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Caro wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:25 pm:

I am reading the book "The Golden Glove"... sick guy, I just say

He is really sick The movie has the same name, by the way.

himmel80 wrote on 08.02.2023 at 12:27 pm:

When you see Aktenzeichen xy I get scared, next week again with U Bahn Treter the on their victim einpruegeln. One must really watch out.

Front door properly lock then it goes

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8th Feb. 2023, at 02:30 pm CET#30

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I started to watch the movie, but I wanted to finish the book first and then I'll watch the movie again

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