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Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 902)

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2019 | Page: 902 of 1381 | Answers: 13,801 | Views: 1,841,860
Malganes
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 12:16 am CEST#9091
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Falke wrote on 17/09/2023 at 23:41: Just asked Pino Casino why they charge a German tax. This was the answer:

"Online gambling is generally subject to tax in Germany. It is not the casino that levies a tax, but a tax that is common throughout Germany"

"So the money is paid to the German government?"

"Correct"


You have to imagine how brazenly they lie, too.

They seriously demand a tax exclusively from German players and also lie to the players that they pay the money to the German state.

Maybe we can make a difference if we send all this to the GGL. This is already a criminal offense and no longer a trivial offense.

1. Is it suggested that the casino has a German license and therefore you have to pay the taxes.
2. The players are deceived, because the money collected is never transferred to the German state.

Just to illustrate. If one has made 10,000 spins on 1 € bet there, then one has paid 530 € in "taxes. That is 530 € that you would otherwise still have on the player account. With 100,000 spins it is already 5,300 €, which were simply stolen from the player.

Maybe you can formulate a suitable letter and put it here in the thread for all of us? Thus, the GGL gets the same text from many. Maybe also mention that this letter comes from GJ users?

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gamble1
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 12:21 am CEST#9092
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Falke wrote on 17/09/2023 at 23:41: Just asked Pino Casino why they charge a German tax. This was the answer:

"Online gambling is generally subject to tax in Germany. It is not the casino that levies a tax, but a tax that is common throughout Germany"

"So the money is paid to the German government?"

"Correct"


You have to imagine how brazenly they lie, too.

They seriously demand a tax exclusively from German players and also lie to the players that they pay the money to the German state.

Maybe we can make a difference if we send all this to the GGL. This is already a criminal offense and no longer a trivial offense.

1. Is it suggested that the casino has a German license and therefore you have to pay the taxes.
2. The players are deceived, because the money collected is never transferred to the German state.

Just to illustrate. If one has made 10,000 spins on 1 € bet there, then one has paid 530 € in "taxes. That is 530 € that you would otherwise still have on the player account. With 100,000 spins it is already 5,300 €, which were simply stolen from the player.

May be all right but what is the point? The pull at the end of the month from the EU and there is then anyway no one more tangible and even if then the one company is just broke and the other just keeps going you do not think anyone gets a cent back


My contact to the GGL referred by the way to the Wildz topic

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Falke
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 01:40 am CEST#9093
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gamble1 wrote on 09/18/2023 at 00:21 PM:

May be all right but what is the point ? The pull at the end of the month from the EU and there is then anyway no one more tangible and even if then the one company is just broke and the other just continues you do not think anyone gets a cent back


By the way, my contact to GGL was related to the Wildz issue

That may be, but a criminal complaint from a German authority could do a bit more than a few player complaints. And after all, casinos from an EU country have done this, so are somehow certainly tangible if the German state wants to take a closer look.


I was told by a lawyer that theoretically even the managers are criminally liable if they offer their casino in illegal countries, i.e. without a license. Why this hasn't been done, or hasn't been done yet, is probably due to a lack of political willingness to address the issue.
In any case, they are not only guilty under civil law, but also under criminal law. But as is so often the case, no one is interested. But if they even collect German taxes, that's another matter altogether.

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frapi07
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 02:32 am CEST#9094
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Falke wrote on 17/09/2023 at 23:41: Just asked Pino Casino why they charge a German tax. This was the answer:

"Online gambling is generally subject to tax in Germany. It is not the casino that levies a tax, but a tax that is common throughout Germany"

"So the money is paid to the German government?"

"Correct"


You have to imagine how brazenly they lie, too.

They seriously demand a tax exclusively from German players and also lie to the players that they pay the money to the German state.

Maybe we can make a difference if we send all this to the GGL. This is already a criminal offense and no longer a trivial offense.

1. Is it suggested that the casino has a German license and therefore you have to pay the taxes.
2. The players are deceived, because the money collected is never transferred to the German state.

Just to illustrate. If one has made 10,000 spins on 1 € bet there, then one has paid 530 € in "taxes. That is 530 € that you would otherwise still have on the player account. With 100,000 spins it is already 5,300 €, which were simply stolen from the player.

To assume that they are lying is wrong. The supporter will probably not know. You are asking the wrong people. What does the supporter know about what the upper management is doing? Even for small things they have to ask their "Finance Department" for advice. You have to keep in mind that these are mostly 1st-level supporters and can usually only clarify simple requests.

Correctly, the person should have written that he doesn't know 100%, but to get rid of the player in the chat, they might confirm things they have zero idea about.

Doesn't mean I agree that Pino and co. Pay taxes. I don't think so either. Only legal OCs have to - they are not.

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Falke
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 02:52 am CEST#9095
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frapi07 wrote on 18.09.2023 at 02:32:
To assume that they are lying is wrong. The supporter will probably not be able to know. You're asking the wrong people there. What does the supporter even know what upper management is doing there? Even for small things they have to ask their "Finance Department" for advice. You have to keep in mind that these are mostly 1st-level supporters and can usually only clarify simple requests.

Correctly, the person should have written that he doesn't know 100%, but to get rid of the player in the chat, they might confirm things they have zero idea about.

Doesn't mean I agree that Pino and co. Pay taxes. I don't think so either. Only legal OCs have to - they are not.

Right, support made me wait about 10 minutes before giving me answers. So the information came from some higher authority and thus the casino is lying. And that they lie is already in their terms and conditions, where it is clearly stated that they take this fee only for German players.

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gamble1
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 03:42 am CEST#9096
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Falcon wrote on 18.09.2023 at 02:52:

Right, support made me wait about 10 minutes before giving me answers. So the information has come from some higher authority and thus just the casino is lying. And that they lie is already in their Terms and Conditions, where it is clearly stated that they take this fee only for German players.

You don't think the support has reached someone on a Sunday evening in a higher place ! The will still have had 5 other chats open


I have even one of the VIP support recently said "I'll ask but think there I reach today no one more is Friday afternoon"

The go into the weekend and stay there even if not just the store burns down and let the smallest the players bespaßen

On the subject of criminal charges: The managers are but certainly also only employed then sit in the background of the whole groups and the have again offshoots and there are managers and somewhere at the end squat the people where the coal collect from all the shell companies I do not start now times

Then there is possibly questioned someone who has no idea then you go to the next and until all this is unraveled in years of waste of taxpayers' money, the store with a new crew is already sitting in the sun with a Curacao license

Apart from that as if the authorities do not already know what is going on regarding the tax that has been going on long enough and I suspect times if it were so simple or an interest would exist would be there long ago what happened but as the casinos continue and more and more the EU simply repel seem to have the not really scared

Do not misunderstand if the tax has not been paid or is paid back it is a joke on us players but I just think there are more important things than such an unrealistic procedure to initiate

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Anonym

Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 07:11 am CEST#9097
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Moin moin has someone a plan why Betano the Tip game Betano Masters is gone. I have submitted my tips normally you could always look at how the course was.

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Brieftaube2607
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 08:19 am CEST#9098
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HerrLauer wrote on 18.09.2023 at 07:11: Moin moin has anyone a plan why Betano the Tip game Betano Masters is gone. Have my tips normally you could but always look at how the course was.

https://www.betano.de/master/past-campaigns

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Anonym

Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 08:28 am CEST#9099
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Brieftaube2607 wrote on 18.09.2023 at 08:19:

https://www.betano.de/master/past-campaigns

Thank you

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Stromberg
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Chatterbox

18th Sep. 2023, at 08:58 am CEST#9100
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gamble1 wrote on 09/18/2023 at 03:42 PM:
You don't think the support reached someone on a Sunday evening in a higher post ! The will have had 5 other chats open


I have even one of the VIP support recently said "I ask but think there I reach today no one more is Friday afternoon"

The go into the weekend and stay there even if not just the store burns down and let the smallest the players bespaßen

On the subject of criminal charges: The managers are but certainly also only employed then sit in the background of the whole groups and the have again offshoots and there are managers and somewhere at the end squat the people where the coal collect from all the shell companies I do not start now times

Then there is possibly questioned someone who has no idea then you go to the next and until all this is unraveled in years of waste of taxpayers' money, the store with a new crew is already sitting in the sun with a Curacao license

Apart from that as if the authorities do not already know what is going on regarding the tax that has been going on long enough and I suspect times if it were so simple or an interest would exist would be there long ago what happened but as the casinos continue and more and more the EU simply repel seem to have the not really scared

Don't misunderstand if the tax was not paid or is paid back it's taking the p**s out of us players but I just think there are more important things to do than to start such an unrealistic procedure

Before seriously considering any action, you should be sure that the tax will not be paid.


We have already had this topic before, also with the sales tax.
And it was the case that the German state collected sales tax from oc even when there were no legal casinos.
Within the EU, the tax is also payable in the country where the service is provided.
Whether legal or illegal plays no role to my knowledge, or I just googled😄
And the tax goes I think not to the gambling authority but the state?
Therefore, it would perhaps be like the sales tax also to consider, and would not necessarily allow the conclusion, one would have a license faked.
But these are just my thoughts. Can also not really imagine that all these casinos pay the tax.

In the transition phase when the licenses were not yet distributed, but all have adapted, okay. Since serious applicants may have paid even if there was no license afterwards. That this is still the case now is hard to imagine.

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