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Stromberg

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 02:38 pm CET#7947

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Falke wrote on 02.03.2023 at 14:34: Because I just read and find very interesting: In Austria there is now a court ruling from the supreme court that you can even sue back gambling losses, even if the player already knew that the offer is illegal and the player even from the beginning had the intention to recover the gambling losses.
The lawsuit was filed by the N1 Group and have suffered a heavy defeat with this ruling.

Basically, this means that anyone who lives in Austria, theoretically has a freeroll at all casinos. So you can Deposit and if you lose you can sue for the money back and the lawsuit is then upheld 100%.

I do not rate this now at all, but just found this ruling very interesting.

Strange ruling, but a sure way to drive illegal offers from the market🤣

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Falke

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 02:46 pm CET#7948

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Stromberg wrote on 02.03.2023 at 14:38:

Strange ruling, but sure way to push illegal offers out of the market🤣

Haha, yes, definitely.

I think the court is referring to the fact that simply no legally valid contract is formed and illegal gambling may therefore not be offered. They just give the responsibility completely to the casinos, which knowingly act illegally.

The reason for the lawsuit was that N1 argued that the player already knew that it was possible to sue and that it was therefore a case of fraud.
The court clearly says: No, it is not, you are responsible for not offering illegal gambling.

And yes, with that all casinos will eventually disappear and withdraw from the Austrian market.
There are also already lawyers suing Curacao casinos and it looks like that is also successful.
The online casino scene is thus likely to come to a complete end very soon, at least in Austria.

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RiverSong

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 03:23 pm CET#7949

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Donnie wrote on 02.03.2023 at 13:28: Do you have a calendar hanging with you where every day is the day of something or where do you always get such info from?😉

there are various info in the net, google knows everything

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gamble1

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 04:41 pm CET#7950

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Stromberg wrote on 02.03.2023 at 14:38:

Strange ruling, but sure way to push illegal offers out of the market🤣

All other countries like this ... so please this is intent ...... Austria .... uh Nööö

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Falke

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 04:59 pm CET#7951

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gamble1 wrote on 02/03/2023 at 16:41:

All other countries like this ... so please this is premeditation ...... Austria .... uh Nööö

Yeah, something like that. Whereby also the court does not deny the intention, but admits it expressly. The verdict says that you can sue for the money again with the intention to sue for the money again. The contract is void and there are no reasons that would change that.

However, all this is not even that inconclusive or unusual. For example, there are also clauses in tenancy law that are clearly illegal. But many tenants agree to them anyway, even though they know that in advance, just to get the apartment. As soon as they move in, they file a lawsuit, and it doesn't matter whether the tenant knew beforehand that the clause was illegal and intended to file a lawsuit. Unlawful is simply unlawful.

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wettibernd

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 10:58 pm CET#7952

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If that is the case, then it means in German:

You first pay money (however much) then you first complain a few months around, have lawyer costs, court costs, expenses, etc. and then you get sometime right and the casino must compensate you. Sounds really nice, but has anyone ever gotten his money back? Verdict or not, if I were the Casino Manger then I would wipe my ass with such a verdict from Austria first and if any claims come before the European Court of Appeal. If there is no other way then I'm just broke and reopen with a different name.

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gamble1

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2nd Mar. 2023, at 11:54 pm CET#7953

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wettibernd wrote on 02.03.2023 at 22:58: If that is so then that is called in German:

You first pay money (however much) then you first complain a few months around, have lawyer costs, court costs, expenses, etc. and then you get sometime right and the casino must compensate you. Sounds really nice, but has anyone ever gotten his money back? Verdict or not, if I were the Casino Manger then I would wipe my ass with such a verdict from Austria first and if any claims come before the European Court of Appeal. If it goes no other way then I'm just broke and reopen with a different name.

And that's probably exactly how it's done but the people are always conveyed makes your money you have soon again

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Falke

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3rd Mar. 2023, at 01:16 am CET#7954

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wettibernd wrote on 02.03.2023 at 22:58: If that is so then that is called in German:

You first pay money (however much) then you first complain a few months around, have lawyer costs, court costs, expenses, etc. and then you get sometime right and the casino must compensate you. Sounds really nice, but has anyone ever gotten his money back? Verdict or not, if I were the Casino Manger then I would wipe my ass with such a verdict from Austria first and if any claims come before the European Court of Appeal. If there is no other way, then I'm just broke and reopen with a different name.

Yes, countless people have already received their money in Austria. I will gladly go into the individual points.

1. Lawyers' fees, court costs, etc. are paid by the casino. Whoever loses the lawsuit pays all the costs, and in Austria that is 100% the casinos, because the legal situation here is so clear.

2. The legal situation is so clear because the casinos filed a lawsuit with the European Court of Justice years ago and there have been several high court rulings from the European Court of Justice that the gambling legislation in Austria is in line with EU law.

3. The casino manager is welcome to wash his butt with it, if the paper is still sufficient, once the bailiff was there. With a judgment in Austria, you also have an EU-wide garnishment title. That means you can clear out their office supplies, intercept the money directly from the payment providers with whom the casinos work, etc.

4. Yes, one calls then halt insolvency dragging. It's theoretically possible, but they'd have to be very careful, because several lawyers keep a close eye on it, because hundreds of their clients' garnishment titles are lying around.

5. You won't get justice at some point, but as soon as the court case is over. Many casinos agree to a settlement or pay the entire amount without court proceedings. With court proceedings + appeal, this can of course take a little time, that's true.

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gamble1

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3rd Mar. 2023, at 02:15 pm CET#7955

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Does anyone of you have any idea why you suddenly have to verify Skrill again after a year at Pino although you have always received thousands of withdrawals without problems? Screenshot of a transaction want the and screenshot where name account number and address is to see

But they block 50 € no-dep withdrawal really strange

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frapi07

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3rd Mar. 2023, at 03:09 pm CET#7956

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I had the same problem last week. I have never used Skrill, except once EPS by Skrill (quasi like Sofort) and therefore I thought that I would be a unique case. For me it was about a withdrawal. I had not deposited anything. Do you want to pay them with online banking and they block it? Edit: have seen that it is also about a withdrawal with you.

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