mowolum wrote on 31.12.2022 at 21:08: I have always been of the opinion that Slot machines are manipulated.
But some are strictly different opinion.
Instead of serving the sentence, 5 1/2 years pronounced by the court in 2019,
to serve in prison, the boss Sami Söylemez . in Turkey.
It was a tax evasion of 48 million
According to the indictment, the extended family bunkered several million euros in thick bundles of money in their homes in Hagen. Court spokesman: "The defendants are alleged to have manipulated the automatic recording of the gambling machines in order to evade taxes in the millions."
The brazen yet simple trick: The clan members are said to have installed software on their slot machines in several large casinos, which was used to massively manipulate the turnovers and wins downwards.
Of course, they have cheated a lot, but mostly it hits the father state and not the players
Then, funnily enough, but also acted and the systems must be tightened so that such a thing no longer happens and the dear Father State also dutifully gets his taxes
I mean if really in the past times a procedure ran because of fraud on the player was not acted there so quickly
Unfortunately, you always make it sound as if the casinos and everyone involved with them are always correct towards the players.
If Manipulation is used to ensure that revenues and wins are minimized, not only the state but also the player has been deceived.
I mean if really in the past times a procedure ran because of fraud on the player was not acted so quickly
Such processes are hardly admitted.
The apparatus behind these machinations is peppered with an army of lawyers, etc..
A simple player has no chance at all.
mowolum wrote on 01.01.2023 at 16:37: I must clearly disagree with you.
Unfortunately, you always make it sound as if the casinos and all those involved with them are always correct towards the players.
If Manipulation is used to ensure that revenue and wins have been minimized, not only the state but also the player has been cheated.
I mean if really in the past times a procedure ran because of fraud on the player was not acted so quickly
Such processes are hardly admitted.
The apparatus behind these machinations is peppered with an army of lawyers, etc..
A simple player has no chance at all.
You're right of course but it is still so that mostly by manipulating the systems practically nothing is changed in the payout because there were already cases where the criminals have paid out eg. 2k it was deposited in the printout but as 4k to now call an awesome example to save taxes
Of course, much is also directed against the small player but mostly these are then so backyard stores the big players like Gauselmann or Novomatic have the fun not necessary
Of course there are also rumors about big brands there was reported by an ex-employee zb. he had to hold the inspector once so long until a customer has finished playing and the technician was on the machine there is just the question why such an effort is ordered from above if everything runs normally?
You are of course right but it is still so that mostly by the Manipulation of the systems practically nothing is changed in the payout because there were already cases where the criminals e.g. 2k have paid out it in the printout but was deposited as 4k to now call an awesome example to save taxes
Of course, much is also directed against the small player but mostly these are then so backyard stores the big players like Gauselmann or Novomatic have the fun not necessary
Of course there are also rumors about large brands there was reported by an ex-employee zb. he had to stall the inspector until a customer has finished playing and the technician was on the machine there is just the question of why such an effort is ordered from above when everything runs normally?
Just the fact that the providers block certain games, (as I had read here in a news article) due to the higher profit distribution compared to other slots of the Provider, but is already manipulation, I think anyway!
And it was not about a machine, but about a special game that was taken out everywhere
There you can see what they can control everything!
There I ask myself, why the provider needs at all still insight on it?
Isn't it so that the manufacturer sells its games to the casinos (i.e. arcades etc)?
Just like playstation, xbox and Nintendo do?
BinGOLD wrote on 01.01.2023 at 21:06 clock
Just the fact that the providers block certain games, (as I had read here once in a news article) due to the higher payout compared to other slots of the Provider, is already Manipulation, I think anyway!
And it was not about a machine, but about a special game that was taken out everywhere
There you can see what they can control everything!
There I ask myself, why the provider needs at all still insight on it?
Isn't it so that the manufacturer sells its games to the casinos (i.e. arcades etc)?
Just like playstation, xbox and Nintendo do?
No, they either rent the whole equipment or just the game packages simply to get the latest stuff cheaper and cheaper Buy is usually not worth it because you have no service contracts then the updates and spare parts for free or at least very cheap to allow
For the manufacturers it has of course the advantage the data remain so seen in the house and one does not have to worry if an old machine lands with a private whether there is tried to bypass the security features of the database to find new manipulation possibilities
Either way with the new devices is a remote maintenance easily possible the times that you had to run from machine to machine for updates or accounting are over there simply appears a message on the display device locked update and you can do everything from anywhere you just want
gamble1 wrote on 01.01.2023 at 21:56:No the rent either the whole devices or only the game packages simply to get the latest stuff always cheaper to buy is usually not worth it because you have no service contracts then you updates and spare parts for free or at least very cheap to enable
For the manufacturers it has of course the advantage the data remain so seen in the house and one does not have to worry if an old machine lands with a private whether there is tried to bypass the security features of the database to find new Manipulation possibilities
Either way with the new devices is a remote maintenance easily possible the times that you had to run from machine to machine for updates or accounting are over there simply appears a message on the display device locked update and you can do everything from anywhere you just want
You have but once worked at such a machine manufacturer, do you know how much rent per month for such a device a gaming house must pay? Cost does a brand new machine in about 12 000 euros?
You have but once worked at such a vending machine manufacturer, do you know how much rent per month for such a device a gaming house must pay ? Cost does so a brand new machine in about 12 000 euros?
That is quite different depending on how good you are in negotiating and how many machines you take also the manufacturers make among themselves other prices Gauselmann is eg. higher in price than Novomatic and Bally
For such a game package, however, you should calculate including all the service stuff with 500 € per month per device
For a device you are usually including maintenance costs at 1.5 k - 2.5k per month (but also depends on the device)
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Achsooo, I think I have nothing indicated there therefore the 01.01. was automatically selected, now it makes sense
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Of course, they have cheated a lot, but mostly it hits the father state and not the players
Then, funnily enough, but also acted and the systems must be tightened so that such a thing no longer happens and the dear Father State also dutifully gets his taxes
I mean if really in the past times a procedure ran because of fraud on the player was not acted there so quickly
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Unfortunately, you always make it sound as if the casinos and everyone involved with them are always correct towards the players.
If Manipulation is used to ensure that revenues and wins are minimized, not only the state but also the player has been deceived.
I mean if really in the past times a procedure ran because of fraud on the player was not acted so quickly
Such processes are hardly admitted.
The apparatus behind these machinations is peppered with an army of lawyers, etc..
A simple player has no chance at all.
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You're right of course but it is still so that mostly by manipulating the systems practically nothing is changed in the payout because there were already cases where the criminals have paid out eg. 2k it was deposited in the printout but as 4k to now call an awesome example to save taxes
Of course, much is also directed against the small player but mostly these are then so backyard stores the big players like Gauselmann or Novomatic have the fun not necessary
Of course there are also rumors about big brands there was reported by an ex-employee zb. he had to hold the inspector once so long until a customer has finished playing and the technician was on the machine there is just the question why such an effort is ordered from above if everything runs normally?
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Just the fact that the providers block certain games, (as I had read here in a news article) due to the higher profit distribution compared to other slots of the Provider, but is already manipulation, I think anyway!
And it was not about a machine, but about a special game that was taken out everywhere
There you can see what they can control everything!
There I ask myself, why the provider needs at all still insight on it?
Isn't it so that the manufacturer sells its games to the casinos (i.e. arcades etc)?
Just like playstation, xbox and Nintendo do?
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No, they either rent the whole equipment or just the game packages simply to get the latest stuff cheaper and cheaper Buy is usually not worth it because you have no service contracts then the updates and spare parts for free or at least very cheap to allow
For the manufacturers it has of course the advantage the data remain so seen in the house and one does not have to worry if an old machine lands with a private whether there is tried to bypass the security features of the database to find new manipulation possibilities
Either way with the new devices is a remote maintenance easily possible the times that you had to run from machine to machine for updates or accounting are over there simply appears a message on the display device locked update and you can do everything from anywhere you just want
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You have but once worked at such a machine manufacturer, do you know how much rent per month for such a device a gaming house must pay? Cost does a brand new machine in about 12 000 euros?
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That is quite different depending on how good you are in negotiating and how many machines you take also the manufacturers make among themselves other prices Gauselmann is eg. higher in price than Novomatic and Bally
For such a game package, however, you should calculate including all the service stuff with 500 € per month per device
For a device you are usually including maintenance costs at 1.5 k - 2.5k per month (but also depends on the device)
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