Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 493)

Iseedeadpeople wrote on 18.11.2021 at 13:44
no, unfortunately, the person thereby decides as well for his entire environment

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Xavi22 wrote on 18/11/2021 at 14:41: https://www.bild.de/regional/ruhrgebiet/ruhrgebiet-aktuell/poker-anbieter-verurteilt-online-zockerin-bekommt-132851-euro-zurueck-78281432.bild.html

Hefty. Does anyone know what vendor this is about?

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• 0.0 percent of 12- to 17-year-olds.


• 12.5 percent of 18- to 59-year-olds (53 of 425 cases) and


• 34.5 percent of those 60 and older (257 of 746 cases).

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Wutmaennchen wrote on 18/11/2021 at 15:00: @ruhrpott:

Tetanus every 10 years, flu shot every year, Corona every 5 months. You should notice the difference too.
And I never wrote that there has never been a vector vaccine. I said it is a novelty. You should notice that too.

The rest of your post is again brainwashed garbage that I have already addressed.
Please bring clever content that can be discussed like Crypto, otherwise I won't respond to posts from you anymore if the garbage is just repeated.

@Crypto:

First, kudos to your wife for doing this job.

It's terrible that the numbers are high, 0.02 serious reports is way too much for a vaccine after all.
After all, the Corona vaccine was given 2 times, the flu shot only 1 time.

Between 12/27/2020 and 9/30/2021 there were approximately 53,600,000 people who received the vaccination.
However, the safety report I linked to uses the total number of doses, not people.
If you look at it logically and calculate the side effects not by doses but by people, you can double the percentage.

Please compare these official figures with those of e.g. the flu vaccination.

Corona vaccination - vaccination rate approx. 70%

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/newsroom/dossiers/sicherheitsberichte/sicherheitsbericht-27-12-20-bis-30-09-21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=6

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approximately 1800 deaths related to vaccination. In addition, 21,054 serious reports.
Whether the persons died "at or with" the vaccination is just as difficult to name as "at or with" Corona.
Often yes both e.g. with previous illnesses.


Comparison:

Flu vaccination 2016 - vaccination rate approx. 34.8%

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impfschaden

approx. 15 deaths and 53 cases with permanent damage.


These OFFICIAL NUMBERS alone speak a clear language. The current vaccines are thus in the Nutzen/Risiko-Verhältnisnist compared to all other vaccines simply abnormally bad.

And the scientists, e.g. from the University of Tübingen, who address this professionally, are called "conspiracy theorists", although they are professionals in your field.

Even if we use your calculation with 2/3 vaccinated, the rate of intensive vaccination breakthroughs is much too high.
The reason for it calls the policy also: Boostern, because the vaccination effect decreases fast.
The question here is: Are there vaccination breakthroughs or is there simply no more vaccination protection?

This is also an extreme knowledge gap that no one can currently assess.

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Stromberg wrote on 11/18/2021 at 3:46 pm
How would you like to see Corona handled?
Despite the fact that the vaccination protects less well against passing on the virus than originally assumed, one can already clearly say that measured by the size of the "population groups" there are significantly more unvaccinated than vaccinated people in the intensive care units.
So, if we now assume that everyone would refuse vaccination and we don't want another lockdown, I think it's pretty obvious that even a few intensive care beds would be more or less insufficient. Apart from that, Germany still has the most intensive care beds per 100,000 inhabitants in Europe.

Would you say that in autumn and winter you have to live in a lockdown?
Or would you primarily vaccinate only people at Risk, i.e. mostly old people, because the risk-benefit ratio is better?
Or simply let it run until society is "contaminated"?

Or say: whoever wants to be vaccinated can do it. Plannable operations etc. are not postponed and if the intensive care beds are full, they are full?

I am not asking this now to provoke or to say I am right and you are not
I am actually interested
If someone is seriously concerned about vaccination, I take that seriously and would not want to exclude them in any way

Regarding side effects/ vaccine damage etc...
The frequency in which serious complications occur, I find for me personally completely within the framework. One exposes oneself to higher risks every day
With children or adolescents I see it differently, the almost non-existent risk of a severe corona disease can hardly be reduced in the group, so the risk-benefit ratio seems to me too bad there, as that one should urge them to a vaccination

The fact that it is generally said that there are no consequences that occur only after years, I also find dishonest in a certain way
Perhaps with the vaccines used so far none are known, with new vaccines I represent there also irgendiwe the opinion that one can say it actually with absolute security then also only in a few years. But I also consider the risk to be manageable, since the vaccines were developed very quickly, but of course research has been going on for tens of years

Maybe I've read it somewhere, if a dead vaccine will soon be approved, you can then vaccinate?

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Wutmaennchen wrote on 11/18/2021 at 16:31
First, a government that is capable.
The problem with intensive care beds is not known since yesterday.
This is exactly what politicians are for, to find a solution for it.
And our politicians have not managed to do that in over 1 1/2 years.
They have even managed to make the situation worse.
This is just pure failure of politics.

Furthermore, honest reporting by the media.
The numbers and facts I listed are there - but only if you look for them.
Everyone should also medial receive a comprehensive consultation with all pro/contras and then decide.

Once everyone has been made an offer of vaccination with clean advice, everyone can accept or reject that.
So everyone can decide on their own responsibility. With that, all measures should be lifted immediately.

Because the most important basis is from my point of view: TESTING. Free of charge for everyone. Preferably every day.
So that everyone can assess every day whether one represents a danger for the society now (then quarantine)
or not. Of course there is a margin of error...but with a daily test this would also be vanishingly small.

Then we could also go back to the approach that was thought of at the very beginning - contact tracing.
The probability that there would then be a shortage of intensive care beds is then very very very low, because there would always be fewer infections.

But no, rather 2G without testing. Another indication of incompetence in politics.
Also 2G with tests if it is proportionate at the moment, also fine.
But tests are the basis.

The frequency of severe side effects is low in the total number, of course, but compared to all other vaccines
the frequency is extreme as already described.

And I personally am more afraid of the vaccination than of another Corona infection (January/February 2020).
At that time, I and my wife were on sick leave with "flu", but in our case all indications of Corona were present.
At that time we were not tested.

The 6-month-genesis-limit proclaimed by politics additionally confirms my distrust towards this.
The immune system knows the virus, so it is possible that a recovered person does not need a vaccination even after many years.
Here, a distinction should also be made from person to person.

And yes, that was in my 2nd contribution to it. I do not categorically reject the dead vaccine.
I would wait for 1-2-3 safety reports from PEI on this
If the number of side effects would level off as with flu vaccination or as with all other vaccinations,
i would have nothing against the vaccination.

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