frapi07 wrote on 08.03.2024 at 23:33:
I guess that's a lot of money for an open parking lot. It's not a garage. No idea how the 420€/year is justified. What costs have risen due to inflation? It's not using electricity, it's not a building or anything. Maybe you can explain to me what justifies this 40% price increase:D
You wrote that the parking spaces were redone, so of course the landlord has to pay for that.
The parking spaces will also have to be redone at some point in the future, and the costs will of course be affected by inflation.
Fees for rainwater drainage will also be incurred and will rise, unless the landlord has paving that can seep away.
But the main reason will simply be supply and demand and an adjustment to market prices.
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Stromberg wrote on 09.03.2024 at 08:41:
You had written that the parking spaces were redone, of course the landlord pays for that.
The parking spaces will also have to be redone at some point in the future, and the costs are of course affected by inflation.
Fees for rainwater drainage will also be incurred and will increase, unless the landlord has paving that can seep away.
But the main reason will simply be supply and demand and an adjustment to normal market prices.
In addition, you have to pay tax on it!
It always sounds like a lot, even when you consider how much a garage costs!
50 per garage is 600 per year, minus tax.
Think about how long it would take you to make a profit on a garage!
With a low purchase price of 12 to 15 thousand euros!
And it's similar with parking spaces.
What would be a reasonable price?
I own 2 garages myself, but only because they were included in the purchase price of the house!
I wouldn't want to rent one out, stress with tenants possibly included.
You had written that the parking spaces were redone, of course the landlord pays for that.
The parking spaces will also have to be redone at some point in the future, and the costs are of course affected by inflation.
Fees for rainwater drainage will also be incurred and will increase, unless the landlord has paving that can seep away.
But the main reason will simply be supply and demand and an adjustment to normal market prices.
Yes, back then there was the increase from €15 to €25. I could understand it then. But I also wrote in the article that they increased the price again last year from €25 to €35. They didn't do anything again. What I found cheeky was the letter. We were informed about the increase and if we hadn't liked it, we would have canceled it. The reason was inflation blah blah blah. But we also know that e is not always true. I think they took advantage of it like many companies ^^ To be honest, I don't know if that's right. At Vodafone, they also just raised the price to €5 and they're taking legal action against it. I think they were clever and only increased it from the day the contract would have been extended. To be honest, I don't know how long the contract runs for. I think it's always for 1 year. I'd have to look it up, I'm curious myself ^^ Anyway , the parking lot is not directly on a main road. You drive into a "driveway", so to speak, to 4 residential buildings and I think there are 10 parking spaces there. Demand or not, 35€ for an open parking lot is a lot. You can easily get a parking space in a garage for that money. It's just stupid that there's no garage here xD
Sorry if I didn't explain that well. I read through the post again and at least I understand it xD But it's also logical, that's my thought xD
@Blubbo: we've lived here for 21 years and for 10 years we paid 180€ per year. That's 1800€ + 10 years 300€ is 3000€. With the new price of 420€/year we would be at 4200€ in 10 years. That's a lot of money for a parking space in the open air xD
The Malcolm in the Middle actor has invested money in parking lots.
It's been a great investment for him
He did an interesting interview or podcast with one of Jack Ass
Instead of buying houses and renting them out, which is expensive to maintain, he prefers parking lots^
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Talk to your neighbors
They should have the same problem, as the saying goes, together we are stronger
Maybe you can find a solution that way.
Or take a bit of money in your hand and build your own parking lot 🤪
Exactly that I miss zero and blech 35€ a month xD But is really awesome, 20 years ago it was 15€ a month... then the parking lots were redone and that's when it was raised to 25€ and last year they just raised it like that. Well, but the basic rent is cheap xD
When I was little and lived in the city center for a few years, it often took us a good 10-15 minutes to find a parking space. So I don't know how long the problem with the permanent green policy has been going on, but it was a problem when I was little too xD
I wasn't so much referring to the policy itself, but more to this awareness that cars are harmful etc...
Of course you used to have to look for parking spaces, but not on the outskirts of the city center, at least not in the evening
Here, about 12 parking spaces were destroyed for a recreational park (not used by anyone) and 20 along a street also for a bus stop as well as a cab stand and large concrete pillars with a few plants in them but is now to be converted to 100% only for cyclists in the next few years so a ban on motorized vehicles
Then 2-3 more were stamped out for a bicycle dome to park your bike and another 2-3 for e-scooter areas where they can be parked
For motorists, 2 large parking garages were built at the other outer end of the city, which means a 30-40 minute walk depending on where you live and parking fees of €2 per hour, even overnight
So if I now ride my bike or e-scooter, I can park virtually on my doorstep, but if I use a car where I pay taxes, Insurance and everything else, in 8 out of 10 cases I still have to walk 30 minutes and pay for it - that's what I call super well thought-out
@R3hab
Already tried have gone there to 10 to the OB no chance talks what of yes is just so you can do nothing KFZ free districts (is a green or was he once no idea)
gamble1 wrote on 09.03.2024 at 13:53:
By that I meant less the policy in and of itself but more this awareness car is harmful etc...
Of course you used to have to look for parking spaces, but not on the outskirts of the city center, at least not in the evening
Here, about 12 parking spaces were destroyed for a recreational park (not used by anyone) and 20 along a street also for a bus stop as well as a cab stand and large concrete pillars with a few plants in them but is now to be converted to 100% only for cyclists in the next few years so a ban on motorized vehicles
Then 2-3 more were stamped out for a bicycle dome to park your bike and another 2-3 for e-scooter areas where they can be parked
For motorists, 2 large parking garages were built at the other outer end of the city, which means a 30-40 minute walk depending on where you live and parking fees of €2 per hour, even overnight
So if I now ride my bike or e-scooter, I can park virtually on my doorstep, but if I use a car where I pay taxes, Insurance and everything else, in 8 out of 10 cases I still have to walk 30 minutes and pay for it - that's what I call super well thought-out
@R3hab
Already tried have gone there to 10 to the OB no chance talks what of yes is just so you can do nothing KFZ free districts (is a green or was he once no idea)
The trend is towards bicycles and away from cars. In this respect, it's well thought out by those who want it that way and are pushing it through over the heads of many. It should no longer be fun to drive a car. That's why road damage is no longer repaired, or only sporadically or at a snail's pace. The next stage will be smart cities and cluster apartments
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gamble1 wrote on 09.03.2024 at 13:53:
By that I meant less the policy in and of itself but more this awareness car is harmful etc...
Of course you used to have to look for parking spaces, but not on the outskirts of the city center, at least not in the evening
Here, about 12 parking spaces were destroyed for a recreational park (not used by anyone) and 20 along a street also for a bus stop as well as a cab stand and large concrete pillars with a few plants in them but is now to be converted to 100% only for cyclists in the next few years so a ban on motorized vehicles
Then 2-3 more were stamped out for a bicycle dome to park your bike and another 2-3 for e-scooter areas where they can be parked
For motorists, 2 large parking garages were built at the other outer end of the city, which means a 30-40 minute walk depending on where you live and parking fees of €2 per hour, even overnight
So if I now ride my bike or e-scooter, I can park virtually on my doorstep, but if I use a car where I pay taxes, Insurance and everything else, in 8 out of 10 cases I still have to walk 30 minutes and pay for it - that's what I call super well thought-out
@R3hab
Already tried have gone there to 10 to the OB no chance talks what of yes is just so you can do nothing KFZ free districts (is a green or was he once no idea)
what comes to my mind on the subject of parking spaces is that the hotels sometimes charge a lot for parking. In the city 15 to 20 euros per night. So I will never stay in a hotel where you can't park nearby free of charge.
When I used to live in Berlin in 2000, I had to pay 30 euros a year for a resident's parking permit.
gamble1 wrote on 09.03.2024 at 13:53:
By that I meant less the policy in and of itself but more this awareness car is harmful etc...
Of course you used to have to look for parking spaces, but not on the outskirts of the city center, at least not in the evening
Here, about 12 parking spaces were destroyed for a recreational park (not used by anyone) and 20 along a street also for a bus stop as well as a cab stand and large concrete pillars with a few plants in them but is now to be converted to 100% only for cyclists in the next few years so a ban on motorized vehicles
Then 2-3 more were stamped out for a bicycle dome to park your bike and another 2-3 for e-scooter areas where they can be parked
For motorists, 2 large parking garages were built at the other outer end of the city, which means a 30-40 minute walk depending on where you live and parking fees of €2 per hour, even overnight
So if I now ride my bike or e-scooter, I can park virtually on my doorstep, but if I use a car where I pay taxes, Insurance and everything else, in 8 out of 10 cases I still have to walk 30 minutes and pay for it - that's what I call super well thought-out
@R3hab
Already tried have gone there to 10 to the OB no chance talks what of yes is just so you can do nothing KFZ free districts (is a green or was he once no idea)
Ahh, I see.
Okay, the parking garage really sucks. 2€/h lol. I would deregister my car and sell it. 50€ Germany ticket rules xD No, it's not that drastic here^^ Only if you have the "bad luck" and don't get home from work until around 10 pm to 11 pm (e.g. gastronomy), then you might have a bit of a hard time. At night, however, you can park your car in a "forbidden" zone in the worst case, as the public order office usually doesn't come xD But I understand if you park in the wrong place. There's just no other option. But if we go back to the topic of the "chief of the police", he always denounced people who were simply too lazy and only looked out for themselves. Especially with the guy who unloaded. 5 meters further and he could have unloaded there. You'd think it was the exception, but unfortunately not ^^
Okay, the parking garage really sucks. 2€/h lol. I would deregister my car and sell it. 50€ Germany ticket rules xD No, it's not that drastic here^^ Only if you have the "bad luck" and don't get home from work until around 10 pm to 11 pm (e.g. gastronomy), then you might have a bit of a hard time. At night, however, you can park your car in a "forbidden" zone in the worst case, as the public order office usually doesn't come xD But I understand if you park in the wrong place. There's just no other option. But if we go back to the topic of the "chief of the police", he always denounced people who were simply too lazy and only looked out for themselves. Especially with the guy who unloaded. 5 meters further and he could have unloaded there. You'd think it was the exception, but unfortunately not ^^
Yes, but that's exactly the kind of scenario where the OA writes you up for not being able to get home late in the evening and getting a ticket the next day at 9 o'clock sharp, but well, you've just parked incorrectly for whatever reason and you pay it if there's no other way, but your own driveway No, not with me, that's going too far
The head of the police station even said at the beginning "many people think there's no OA at the weekend, but then people like me come" meaning he would also write you up if you parked incorrectly out of sheer necessity
He also wrote you up for the reason "parking in front of a lowered curb" was a driveway and when asked if you are not allowed to stand there even if it is your own driveway he said "legally not according to StVO"
Usually the OA is even more accommodating than the guy when you come out directly when they are writing haha
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You wrote that the parking spaces were redone, so of course the landlord has to pay for that.
The parking spaces will also have to be redone at some point in the future, and the costs will of course be affected by inflation.
Fees for rainwater drainage will also be incurred and will rise, unless the landlord has paving that can seep away.
But the main reason will simply be supply and demand and an adjustment to market prices.
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In addition, you have to pay tax on it!
It always sounds like a lot, even when you consider how much a garage costs!
50 per garage is 600 per year, minus tax.
Think about how long it would take you to make a profit on a garage!
With a low purchase price of 12 to 15 thousand euros!
And it's similar with parking spaces.
What would be a reasonable price?
I own 2 garages myself, but only because they were included in the purchase price of the house!
I wouldn't want to rent one out, stress with tenants possibly included.
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Yes, back then there was the increase from €15 to €25. I could understand it then. But I also wrote in the article that they increased the price again last year from €25 to €35. They didn't do anything again. What I found cheeky was the letter. We were informed about the increase and if we hadn't liked it, we would have canceled it. The reason was inflation blah blah blah. But we also know that e is not always true. I think they took advantage of it like many companies ^^ To be honest, I don't know if that's right. At Vodafone, they also just raised the price to €5 and they're taking legal action against it. I think they were clever and only increased it from the day the contract would have been extended. To be honest, I don't know how long the contract runs for. I think it's always for 1 year. I'd have to look it up, I'm curious myself ^^ Anyway , the parking lot is not directly on a main road. You drive into a "driveway", so to speak, to 4 residential buildings and I think there are 10 parking spaces there. Demand or not, 35€ for an open parking lot is a lot. You can easily get a parking space in a garage for that money. It's just stupid that there's no garage here xD
Sorry if I didn't explain that well. I read through the post again and at least I understand it xD But it's also logical, that's my thought xD
@Blubbo: we've lived here for 21 years and for 10 years we paid 180€ per year. That's 1800€ + 10 years 300€ is 3000€. With the new price of 420€/year we would be at 4200€ in 10 years. That's a lot of money for a parking space in the open air xD
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The Malcolm in the Middle actor has invested money in parking lots.
It's been a great investment for him
He did an interesting interview or podcast with one of Jack Ass
Instead of buying houses and renting them out, which is expensive to maintain, he prefers parking lots^
My Tip for you gamble
Talk to your neighbors
They should have the same problem, as the saying goes, together we are stronger
Maybe you can find a solution that way.
Or take a bit of money in your hand and build your own parking lot 🤪
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I wasn't so much referring to the policy itself, but more to this awareness that cars are harmful etc...
Of course you used to have to look for parking spaces, but not on the outskirts of the city center, at least not in the evening
Here, about 12 parking spaces were destroyed for a recreational park (not used by anyone) and 20 along a street also for a bus stop as well as a cab stand and large concrete pillars with a few plants in them but is now to be converted to 100% only for cyclists in the next few years so a ban on motorized vehicles
Then 2-3 more were stamped out for a bicycle dome to park your bike and another 2-3 for e-scooter areas where they can be parked
For motorists, 2 large parking garages were built at the other outer end of the city, which means a 30-40 minute walk depending on where you live and parking fees of €2 per hour, even overnight
So if I now ride my bike or e-scooter, I can park virtually on my doorstep, but if I use a car where I pay taxes, Insurance and everything else, in 8 out of 10 cases I still have to walk 30 minutes and pay for it - that's what I call super well thought-out
@R3hab
Already tried have gone there to 10 to the OB no chance talks what of yes is just so you can do nothing KFZ free districts (is a green or was he once no idea)
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The trend is towards bicycles and away from cars. In this respect, it's well thought out by those who want it that way and are pushing it through over the heads of many. It should no longer be fun to drive a car. That's why road damage is no longer repaired, or only sporadically or at a snail's pace. The next stage will be smart cities and cluster apartments
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what comes to my mind on the subject of parking spaces is that the hotels sometimes charge a lot for parking. In the city 15 to 20 euros per night. So I will never stay in a hotel where you can't park nearby free of charge.
When I used to live in Berlin in 2000, I had to pay 30 euros a year for a resident's parking permit.
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Ahh, I see.
Okay, the parking garage really sucks. 2€/h lol. I would deregister my car and sell it. 50€ Germany ticket rules xD No, it's not that drastic here^^ Only if you have the "bad luck" and don't get home from work until around 10 pm to 11 pm (e.g. gastronomy), then you might have a bit of a hard time. At night, however, you can park your car in a "forbidden" zone in the worst case, as the public order office usually doesn't come xD But I understand if you park in the wrong place. There's just no other option. But if we go back to the topic of the "chief of the police", he always denounced people who were simply too lazy and only looked out for themselves. Especially with the guy who unloaded. 5 meters further and he could have unloaded there. You'd think it was the exception, but unfortunately not ^^
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Yes, but that's exactly the kind of scenario where the OA writes you up for not being able to get home late in the evening and getting a ticket the next day at 9 o'clock sharp, but well, you've just parked incorrectly for whatever reason and you pay it if there's no other way, but your own driveway No, not with me, that's going too far
The head of the police station even said at the beginning "many people think there's no OA at the weekend, but then people like me come" meaning he would also write you up if you parked incorrectly out of sheer necessity
He also wrote you up for the reason "parking in front of a lowered curb" was a driveway and when asked if you are not allowed to stand there even if it is your own driveway he said "legally not according to StVO"
Usually the OA is even more accommodating than the guy when you come out directly when they are writing haha
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