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Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 1069)

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2019 | Page: 1069 of 1360 | Answers: 13,595 | Views: 1,777,959
Falke
Expert

Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 18:22:

Ok, maybe I should have added conscription or social year!


And that the young demand work life balance is completely ok, but then you can't complain that the money is not enough if I only work 25-30 hours!

Furthermore, I just imagine I have a craft business and there are some who demand a work-life balance!
The customer is king and efficiency and speed are part of a good company.

Reprisals? What kind ?

It depends, of course I resist but I also think the other way round, if you have to work you have to work whether it's 6pm or 6am.
Even if the times change, the money has to be earned, you should also put yourself in the position of the company or customer!

Everyone wants to have their heating repaired quickly in winter, don't they?

Yes, the system has to work somehow. But how productive do you think frustrated and exhausted people are? How many live only for work and are then completely broken when they retire? I don't want to lead a life where I look back and think to myself that I've completely wasted it and worked my ass off for a bit of pay so that the boss can afford his pool.


And this thinking that it's only real work if it hurts and you work as much and as long as possible is also a bit backward thinking.
Companies should invest much more in better working conditions. The better off employees are, the more effective they are. And in this day and age in particular, many things can be automated. Why do we have technology if it doesn't lead to much better conditions?

But let everyone do what they want. Fortunately, the choice of work is still free. When it comes to work, I live by the motto: I'd rather have my feet on the beach than drive my Porsche to the office.

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Donnie
Elite
Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 18:22:

Ok, maybe I should have added conscription or social year!


And that the young demand work life balance is completely ok, but then you can't complain that the money is not enough if I only work 25-30 hours!

Furthermore, I just imagine I have a craft business and there are some who demand a work-life balance!
The customer is king and efficiency and speed are part of a good company.

Reprisals? What kind ?

It depends, of course I resist but I also think the other way round, if you have to work you have to work whether it's 6pm or 6am.
Even if the times change, the money has to be earned, you should also put yourself in the position of the company or customer!

Everyone wants to have their heating repaired quickly in winter, don't they?

I'm pretty untalented with my hands, but that's also because nobody really taught me, I was in a youth home from the age of 14-18 and nobody showed me how. My father can do a lot of things, but he never really taught me anything either, he was more likely to just hand me a drill or a hammer. I have to ask others to help me with a lot of things, not everything, but quite a lot. Repair a machine? Forget it. Install a heater? That would end badly. Replace a front door? Oh dear🙄🤣And I'm not a computer nerd or anything like that. Well, I can still drill a hole in the wall, a ceiling light is still possible and putting together a cupboard is still doable🤣

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B****3

Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 18:32:

Yes, the system has to work somehow. But how productive do you think frustrated and exhausted people are? How many live only for work and are then completely broken when they retire? I don't want to live a life where I look back and think to myself that I completely wasted it and worked my ass off for a bit of pay so the boss can afford his pool.


And this thinking that it's only real work if it hurts and you work as much and as long as possible is also a bit backward thinking.
Companies should invest much more in better working conditions. The better off employees are, the more effective they are. And in this day and age in particular, many things can be automated. Why do we have technology if it doesn't lead to much better conditions?

But let everyone do what they want. Fortunately, the choice of work is still free. When it comes to work, I live by the motto: I'd rather have my feet on the beach than drive my Porsche to the office.

No offense to you Falcon, but you keep living in a dream world!

Of course, your ideas are desirable but difficult to put into practice! It is difficult to replace a nurse or a fitter.
There will always be jobs that are unfair, both positively and negatively!
But it also depends on what and how parents set an example!

I was always told that effort is worthwhile, but perhaps I was also able to fight for my ambition as a young athlete because I made it to the Lower Saxony talent selection in handball!
A lot of hard work, ambition, time and pain as a young man, but still not enough for the national youth team!
While others preferred to play playstation!

Nothing comes from nothing, there's some truth in that!

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MisterL
Expert
when Boris Pistol Shot calls you, everything is obsolete

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Donnie
Elite

MisterL wrote on 20.02.2024 at 19:16: when Boris Pistolshot calls you everything is obsolete

When the drugs start to work on you too, no offense meant, but you sometimes write things that nobody understands

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frapi07
Elite
Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 18:22:

And that the young demand work life balance is completely ok, but then you can't complain that the money is not enough if I only work 25-30 hours!

Furthermore, I just imagine I have a craft business and there are some who demand a work-life balance!
The customer is king and efficiency and speed are part of a good company.

Reprisals? What kind ?

It depends, of course I resist but I also think the other way round, if you have to work you have to work whether it's 6pm or 6am.
Even if the times change, the money has to be earned, you should also put yourself in the position of the company or customer!

Everyone wants to have their heating repaired quickly in winter, right?

So someone who works TC and complains about the lack of money is not normal in the head. I don't know anyone who works so little and complains about the money. Work-life balance doesn't necessarily have to mean TC. A 4-day week is also possible. You work full-time. It works particularly well if you work 37/38 hours a week. You just work 2 hours more a day, but then you have 3 days off at the end. It can even work well in craft businesses. There were some companies that tested this and were satisfied with it. Not only employees were satisfied, but also employers.

What reprisals? Well, imagine that your supervisor suddenly comes up with the idea of giving you a task for which you are underqualified. I don't mean something like "make me 3 copies" or something like that, but something like "clean the microwave in my office, it looks unappetizing again". I think you're at an age where you wouldn't just put up with it and would fight it. But would you have been like that in your early days (i.e. when you were 18-23 years old) or would you have done it without objection and kept your mouth shut because otherwise you would have feared reprisals (e.g. not being taken on, demotion, etc.)? The way you wrote your post earlier, it sounded as if you had done this task. If that's the case, then congratulations. Not everyone has that kind of patience. But today you have the opportunity to defend yourself against something like this and speak your mind. Is that mimimi because you don't put up with everything?

When I was a working student at company X, I often kept my mouth shut because I was afraid of reprisals. We had a very young HR manager. She came to this company straight from university and gained her first work experience as an HR manager. She was also very forgetful because of this. I often had to remind her of things and chase after her. Once I forgot to do a task. That can happen. We're all human and not robots. But she was cheeky enough to call me unreliable. I was about to mention to her the umpteen times she had forgotten things. In the end, I kept my mouth shut. If I had opened my mouth, I would certainly have lost my job. Not that it was a super great job, but at least I was able to cover my overheads.


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Falke
Expert

Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 19:03:

Nothing against you Falcon, but you keep living in a dream world!

Of course your ideas are desirable but difficult to put into practice! The nurse or the mechanic is difficult to replace.
There will always be jobs that are unfair, both positively and negatively!
But it also depends on what and how parents set an example!

I was always told that effort is worthwhile, but perhaps I was also able to fight for my ambition as a young athlete because I made it to the Lower Saxony talent selection in handball!
A lot of hard work, ambition, time and pain as a young man, but still not enough for the national youth team!
While others preferred to play playstation!

Nothing comes from nothing, there's some truth in that!

What does it have to do with a dream world if I don't accept certain things in my life? I know what reality looks like, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.


Most companies are completely outdated and could provide better conditions for their workers long ago. It's just that this is often simply not wanted, even though both parties would benefit from it.

And yes, nothing comes from nothing and that's exactly why I would never let myself be forced into a low-paid job where you earn more to survive than to live. I've worked more than enough and I've worked hard, but I've worked towards my own goals and on my own terms, not for some company where an idiot boss tells you how to sit and eat and you have to justify yourself for every screw-up and act as a lightning rod for your bad mood.

That's certainly not what I mean by "nothing comes from nothing", it's exactly the opposite. But of course that's very individual and what ambitions and goals each person has. You're just someone who thinks that you have to sweat, put in the effort and suffer for your work and then fall onto the couch in the evening, completely exhausted, so that you feel like you've achieved something and then get a bit of compensation at the end of the month. That's just not my idea at all.

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Stromberg
Legend

Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 20:07:

What does it have to do with dream world if I don't accept certain things for my life? I realize what reality looks like, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.


Most companies are completely outdated and could provide better conditions for their workers long ago. It's just that this is often simply not wanted, even though both parties would benefit from it.

And yes, nothing comes from nothing and that's exactly why I would never let myself be forced into a low-paid job where you earn enough to survive rather than live. I've worked more than enough and I've worked hard, but I've worked towards my own goals and on my own terms, not for some company where an idiot boss tells you how to sit and eat and you have to justify yourself for every screw-up and act as a lightning rod for your bad mood.

That's certainly not what I mean by "nothing comes from nothing", it's exactly the opposite. But of course that's very individual and what ambitions and goals each person has. You're just someone who thinks that you have to sweat, put in the effort and suffer for your work and then fall onto the couch in the evening, completely exhausted, so that you feel like you've achieved something and then get a bit of compensation at the end of the month. That's just not my idea at all.

You also have a strange idea of the world of work and bosses in general, I have to say... 🤔😬

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Falke
Expert

Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 20:18:

But you also have a strange idea of the world of work and bosses in general I have to say... 🤔😬

The issue at hand here is poor working conditions and that you have to pinch your "ass cheeks" together. And that's all I'm responding to. I realize that there are also good companies and good bosses. That's exactly the kind of work I propagate, where Blubble thinks that people are too soft and shouldn't work like that. The fact is, however, that the majority of companies still have outdated structures where you work 8 to 10 hours straight with a 30-minute break in between and usually have a strict hierarchy.

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B****3

Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 20:07:

What does it have to do with dream world if I don't accept certain things for my life? I realize what reality looks like, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.


Most companies are completely outdated and could provide better conditions for their workers long ago. It's just that this is often simply not wanted, even though both parties would benefit from it.

And yes, nothing comes from nothing and that's exactly why I would never let myself be forced into a low-paid job where you earn enough to survive rather than live. I've worked more than enough and I've worked hard, but I've worked towards my own goals and on my own terms, not for some company where an idiot boss tells you how to sit and eat and you have to justify yourself for every screw-up and act as a lightning rod for your bad mood.

That's certainly not what I mean by "nothing comes from nothing", it's exactly the opposite. But of course that's very individual and what ambitions and goals each person has. You're just someone who thinks that you have to sweat, put in the effort and suffer for your work and then fall onto the couch in the evening, completely exhausted, so that you feel like you've achieved something and then get a bit of compensation at the end of the month. That's just not my idea at all.

I am someone who knows that you get nothing for free and I don't live in a world as I would like it to be, but as it is!

I know my rights and also my duties.
Everyone has to know for themselves how much they work and under what circumstances, but complaining that the money is not enough because I have fewer hours than the person who earns more is not acceptable at all!

It's not always the others who have to do something to make things better for me or my family! A lot is down to yourself.

And I now have a relaxed, well-paid job that I didn't get for free but had to do a lot for in the past!
Achievement can be worthwhile!

To be honest, it's hard to understand what would be a good and fair job for you? Apparently self-employment. But the way it reads, that wasn't fulfilling for you either! ?

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