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Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 1068)

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2019 | Page: 1068 of 1346 | Answers: 13,450 | Views: 1,749,000
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 03:41 pm CET#10764
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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 13:56: So it all sounds a lot like mimimi to me!

Would have been unthinkable for me before, I don't do this or that !

Was anyone else in the Bundeswehr or am I the only one who is that old?

I think that's a good reflection of what you can and can't do!

And this mimimi also gets lost there!

I was a regular soldier!

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B****3

Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 03:58 pm CET#10765
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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 15:39:

I don't want to become a civil servant and work for this state, nor did I want to join the Bundeswehr. I postponed my appointment for the draft several times and at some point I was searched by civilian police officers. I wasn't hiding or anything, but they came into the garden and said today or tomorrow, then the next day they drove me to Düsseldorf to the Kreiswehrersatzamt or whatever it's called. However, I had smoked a bit of weed a week and a half before and had then been discharged because of a positive drug test. On the way on the highway I told them to look to the right, someone was talking on their cell phone at the wheel and asked if they wanted to arrest them🤣. Of course you're drilled a bit when you're young, but I don't think you should be forced to do the dirty work for others. Depending on where you work, you have to clean up your workplace, that's for sure, and that includes sweeping or something like that

Of course you shouldn't and don't have to do all the shit in the truest sense of the word!

Then you have to defend yourself against it, even as an apprentice!
But an instructor who kicks you in the ass can't hurt, speaking from personal experience!

I found that the Bundeswehr showed me many facets that I wouldn't want to miss!
I learned camaraderie, trust and pushing myself to my physical limits there!

There are also differences depending on the company or location!
And when I see the younger ones today, I shake my head!

Working hours as they like, max. 25 hours a week and €50 an hour! It's nothing like that!

I would wish for compulsory military service!

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Falke
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 04:11 pm CET#10766
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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 15:58:

Working hours as you like, max 25 hours a week and 50 € hourly wage! It will be nothing like that!

I would wish for compulsory military service!

Where does that exist and what does compulsory military service have to do with it?


It is absolutely criminal to give people a weapon and force them to shoot at other people. Therefore, no to compulsory military service. Being a soldier must be a profession and in the event of a real war, no one should ever be forced to go to war, except for those professional soldiers who have decided to do so voluntarily.

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Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 04:21 pm CET#10767
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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 15:58:

Of course you shouldn't and don't have to do every shit in the truest sense!

Then you have to defend yourself against it even as an apprentice!
But a teacher who kicks you in the ass can't hurt, speaking from my own experience!

I found that the Bundeswehr showed me many facets that I wouldn't want to miss!
I learned camaraderie, trust and pushing myself to my physical limits there!

There are also differences depending on the company or location!
And when I see the younger ones today, I shake my head!

Working hours as they like, max. 25 hours a week and €50 an hour! It's nothing like that!

I would wish for compulsory military service!

I completely agree with you about the youth, it wouldn't hurt if some of them got a kick up the backside. I know and knew soldiers, reservists and non-commissioned officers myself, I know how it works there. I was once at an open day at a barracks in the north. There was a building where you could pick up any weapon and there was also a small target field with camouflage nets, I once had a bazooka on my shoulders. You could also go inside tanks and take a look around. It was a great day. But there are also people who became alcoholics as a result of serving in the Bundeswehr. For example, a reservist lived next door who drank himself to death and treated his family badly, my uncle was also an alcoholic and died early two years ago, he was also in the army. One of them came over with a hand grenade when I was 11 or so. Being in the Bundeswehr doesn't only have positive aspects, there are even more negative examples that could be mentioned. I just didn't want to go there to avoid becoming like them

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frapi07
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 04:59 pm CET#10768
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Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 10:54 am:

Yes, these are still very good times as an employee in many areas. If you can do something in our industry, you can actually choose the job. So the craftsmen, not me in the office 😂.


I'm curious to see how long this will last, how much the German economy will really suffer in the near future.

I hope it lasts a long time. When I was 15 years old and in 8th grade, I also had to do two small internships. I was very interested in computers back then, so I wanted to do an internship in this area. I called a local company that repaired computers and introduced myself. When I said that I attended secondary school, the interview was promptly ended with the explanation that they didn't have any internships to offer. Whether that was true or not is up for debate - an intern doesn't cost you any money and works for you, so why should they refuse? I'm still of the opinion that I was only rejected because of the school. I was so disappointed that I decided to go down the school route and explicitly didn't want to do an apprenticeship.

Blubbo33 wrote on 02/20/2024 at 1:56 pm: So it all sounds a lot like mimimi to me!

Would have been unthinkable for me before, I do this or I don't do that!

Was anyone else in the Bundeswehr or am I the only one who is that old?

I think that's a good reflection of what you can and can't do!

And this mimimi also gets lost there!

Times change. Society is changing. In the past, it would have been ungrateful to go on strike like the train drivers, for example, or to ask for so much pay. More people are paying attention to work-life balance these days. It may not be for everyone, but that's the trend. Does that sound like a lot of mimimi to you too? Is this change not positive for you or do you wish for the old days and rules? Would you not exercise your right if you could? It would be interesting to know if, as a civil servant, you would simply accept reprisals or if you would also insist on your rights. Wouldn't you mimimi then as well?

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Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 05:11 pm CET#10769
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Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 16:11:
Where does that exist and what does compulsory military service have to do with it?


It is absolutely criminal to give people a gun and force them to shoot at other people. Therefore, no to compulsory military service. Being a soldier must be a profession and in the event of a real war, no one should ever be forced to go to war, except for those professional soldiers who have decided to do so voluntarily.

Currently Ukraine-Russia. I could never forgive myself for shooting at a building where there are children, for example. A weapon is just an object and no weapon kills on its own. Why do you go along with this and obey the orders of a general or president? Just put down your guns and stop killing each other and chill out together

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Julian
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 05:25 pm CET#10770
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Guys, before the discussion moves even further in the direction of politics.
I would like to point out once again, just to be on the safe side, that discussions about politics are forbidden in the entire forum.

I therefore ask for your understanding that the discussion in this area at least will not be deepened any further.

Edit: You are of course welcome to talk about your education or experiences, but before the conversation turns back to the topic of Russia-Ukraine or other political conflicts, I just wanted to mention this again as a precaution.




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Yoshi26
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 05:40 pm CET#10771
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Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 16:11:
Where does that exist and what does compulsory military service have to do with it?


It is absolutely criminal to give people a gun and force them to shoot at other people. Therefore, no to compulsory military service. Being a soldier must be a profession and in the event of a real war, no one should ever be forced to go to war, except for those professional soldiers who have decided to do so voluntarily.

That's how I see it too, I think it's bad that taxpayers' money is being spent on weapons. Somehow I wonder, aren't we all indirectly involved in wars?

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Falke
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 05:58 pm CET#10772
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Yoshi26 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 17:40:

That's how I see it too, I think it's bad that tax money is spent on weapons. Ask me somehow we are not all indirectly involved in wars?

No. You can stay away from it and not take part. And I'm not responsible for what politicians do. I know what you mean, but I don't see any "we" in such questions. The absolute majority of people want peace. Only the 1% at the top are leading their "subjects" into war for the sake of power politics and monetary interests, and they themselves are sitting pretty in the dry.


You have to imagine that even in the Middle Ages there was more humanity on this subject. There, kings still went to war themselves and most knights etc. were nobles who also risked everything. In most cases, an army also consisted of mercenaries who volunteered and were paid for their services. Something as inhumane as a professional army has only existed since Napoleon, the more or less inventor of the nation state. Of course, the Middle Ages had completely different problems and I would never prefer them to the current system. But in terms of conscription orders and wars, it has become more inhumane instead of better.

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B****3

Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 06:22 pm CET#10773
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Falke wrote on 20.02.2024 at 16:11:
Where does that exist and what does compulsory military service have to do with it?


It is absolutely criminal to give people a gun and force them to shoot at other people. Therefore, no to compulsory military service. Being a soldier must be a profession and in a real war, no one should ever be forced to go to war, except for those professional soldiers who have voluntarily chosen to do so.

Ok, maybe I should have added conscription or social year!


And the fact that young people demand a work-life balance is completely ok, but then you can't complain that there's not enough money if I only work 25-30 hours!

Furthermore, I just imagine I have a craft business and there are some who demand a work-life balance!
The customer is king and efficiency and speed are part of a good company.

Reprisals? What kind ?

It depends, of course I resist but I also think the other way round, if you have to work you have to work whether it's 6pm or 6am.
Even if the times change, the money has to be earned, you should also put yourself in the position of the company or customer!

Everyone wants to have their heating repaired quickly in winter, don't they?

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