Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 1067)

Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 09:24:

Anyone who lets anyone do nonsensical work is not suitable as a boss or supervisor anyway...

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Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 10:15 am:

I think I had mentioned very explicitly that off-topic work must remain within a small framework, which should not jeopardize the exam.

Well, as described, if it is part of the business process that the store is cleaned once in the evening, then in my opinion the trainee has to participate, even if it has nothing to do with cutting hair, cashing up, stocking shelves or whatever. If I, as the store owner, clean the store in the evening and the apprentice says, no, I wasn't hired for that, then I would immediately say f**k off.
If I, as the business owner, finish work at 5 o'clock and the trainee has to clean the store every evening, then of course that's not acceptable.
If, for example, in a larger company with several employee toilets, the trainee is scheduled as a cleaner, then of course that's not clear either.
In my opinion, you simply can't generalize and dismiss it across the board as degradation.

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Langhans wrote on 20.02.2024 at 10:16 am:

The guy himself was around 70 years old at the time and the owner of this tax firm. So he was born around 1920 and maybe it was still common around the post-war period, when he started his career, that trainees were available for any snot. But the pencils are just one of the really striking things that stuck in my memory. The rest was actually quite normal....except that he was constantly drunk, his wife searched the office for hidden bottles of wine every day and I spent more time smoking on the balcony than sticking my nose into tax laws. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be an apprentice...hadn't even checked out the seriousness yet, the Bild newspaper was constantly on the table and I was 15 minutes late every day. The reason: the S-Bahn only ran every 30 minutes. So I had the choice of always arriving a quarter of an hour early or a quarter of an hour late. Somehow it didn't occur to me that that looked pretty damn bad It took me a while, but by my mid/late 20s I had the right character for "real working life" and was still able to make something of it

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frapi07 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 10:32 am:

Yes, it's not a problem to do non-specialist work. Likewise if it is part of the daily business. You are just learning the profession of hotel specialist and I think it's okay if you clean the toilets, for example. But if you're learning to be a chef, then no.

The problem is that most trainees are young and don't have the confidence. You're afraid of consequences and possible reprisals. Loss of job etc. On the one hand, you're financially weak anyway, but what you don't really want to do is look for a new job/training. I graduated from secondary school at the end of the 2000s. Back then, it was like winning the lottery if you managed to get a training place. The way companies behave (unfortunately still do), I'm glad the situation has changed completely.

My experience shows that you have to stand up for your rights and your dignity. If you remain silent, nothing changes in the situation.

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Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 10:39 am:

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Maybe he also found it useful.
sharpening 50 pencils for 20 seconds each - that's 1000 seconds of working time plus 10 x 10 seconds to walk to all 10 offices. Equal to 1100 seconds, that's 18.33 minutes and 0.3 hours, let's assume you earned €500 for a 40-hour week, that's about €2.95 per hour (unproductive times such as vocational school, training course etc. simply included).
Then sharpening all 50 pencils cost 0.88 cents.

Assuming the cheapest secretary earned 1800 euros and if we take this salary as a basis for everyone sharpening their own pencils, then we arrive at 1000 seconds for sharpening, no time away, i.e. 0.27 hours x 10.65 € hourly wage = 2.87 €.

So even if everyone had only had the salary of the secretary in the office, it was already cheaper if you sharpened the pencils.
Apart from the fact that one pencil sharpener is enough, that's on top of everything else😂

All numbers are made up, of course. 🧐

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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 13:56: So it all sounds a lot like mimimi to me!

Would have been unthinkable for me before, I don't do this or that !

Was anyone else in the Bundeswehr or am I the only one who is that old?

I think that's a good reflection of what you can and can't do!

And this mimimi also gets lost there!

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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 13:56: Was anyone still in the Bundeswehr or am I the only one who is that old?

I think that reflects quite well what you can and cannot do!

And this mimimi also gets lost there!

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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 14:52:

Says the official...

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Blubbo33 wrote on 20.02.2024 at 15:26:

Says the civil servant and ?

You could have become a civil servant or not?

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