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Off topic & small talk: Chatterbox (Page 1066)

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2019 | Page: 1066 of 1380 | Answers: 13,799 | Views: 1,840,311
Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 08:47 am CET#10744
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Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 08:34: Maybe you have to keep your head down a bit as a young professional and not talk directly about slave jobs because you have to do something you don't like so much.
Apart from the fact that I find it extremely derogatory towards people who clean toilets or do similar jobs.

If people clean toilets or similar, I don't think it's a bad thing that they do the job, I don't see it as devaluing, but if you have to do it yourself, no thanks. As a boss, as Stromberg, you should ask yourself whether you would do this job. I bet not one boss will say yes, I'll do it. And as an employee, I think you have the right to have clean toilets and not have to clean them yourself, there are service companies that you can pay for and whose employees have no problem cleaning toilets

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Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:04 am CET#10745
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Who gives you the right that older experienced employees or bosses can denounce young people and give them nonsensical jobs like sharpening pencils. Do it yourself. There are these narcissists at work who act like God. f**king boss is no better than you just because he earns more and has more responsibility. He has to go to the toilet just like everyone else. And if he thinks he's acting like a huge asshole, he'll get an unkind visit at home to remind him how to treat people with respect

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Stromberg
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:21 am CET#10746
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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 08:47:

When people clean toilets or similar I don't think it's bad that they do the job, I don't see it as devaluing, but if you have to do it yourself, no thanks. You as the boss, as Stromberg, should ask yourself whether you would do this job. I bet not one boss will say yes, I'll do it. And as an employee, I think you have the right to have clean toilets and not have to clean them yourself, there are service companies that you can pay for and whose employees have no problem cleaning toilets

Yes well, as a boss, as Stromberg, I would say "the shit always flows from the top to the bottom"... 😄


Unfortunately, I'm not a boss in real life, but I do actually work in an office. Not in an Insurance company, but in a craft business.
The cleaning service comes once a week. If I think the toilet is too dirty, I clean it myself, I have no problem with that. I wouldn't think of having the cleaning service come twice a week just because of the 2 minutes.

Maybe I've generalized too much.
If company xy with 20 employees always has its toilet cleaned by the trainee to save on the cleaning service, then of course that's not clear.

If hairdressing salon xy with 2 colleagues and a trainee clean the store once before opening or after work and the trainee cleans the toilet, then I think that's okay. Simply because there is customer traffic and a small salon may not be able to afford the cleaning service every day.
I don't think the trainee should be exploited, they should mainly learn their trade. But he should also provide support where necessary, as long as it doesn't exceed a certain amount of non-professional work.

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Stromberg
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:24 am CET#10747
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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 09:04: Who gives you the right that older experienced employees or bosses can denounce young people and give nonsensical work like sharpening pencils. Do it yourself. There are these narcissists at work who act like God. f**king boss is no better than you just because he earns more and has more responsibility. He has to go to the toilet just like everyone else. And if he thinks he's acting like a huge asshole, he'll get an unkind visit at home to remind him how to treat people with respect

Anyone who lets anyone do nonsensical work is not suitable as a boss or supervisor anyway...

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Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:27 am CET#10748
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I think it depends for whom you clean the toilets, for valued employees in such a small hairdressing salon you are more likely to do it or for the family instead of in a large company where there are people you don't like

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R3hab
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:33 am CET#10749
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Everyone develops a tolerance depending on how correct their boss is, if he is an asshole and in asshole mode then the employees are also quite simple

I've always had correct bosses, never any stress. Only once there were problems, when the big boss came at me for a small mistake, so I didn't let him talk to me.
Instead of and respect at work is important

But if someone makes a fool of you or tries to cheat you out of your work, say something directly
Nobody should put up with anything

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Stromberg
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:33 am CET#10750
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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 09:27: I think it depends on who you clean the toilets for, for valued employees in such a small hairdressing salon you do it sooner or for the family instead of in a large company where there are people you don't like

Certainly. It always depends on the overall circumstances.

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frapi07
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:54 am CET#10751
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Stromberg wrote on 20.02.2024 at 08:34: Maybe you have to keep your head down a bit as a young professional and not talk directly about slave jobs because you have to do something you don't like so much.
Apart from the fact that I find it extremely derogatory towards people who clean toilets or similar jobs.

Because it's a demotion. You weren't hired for that. Regardless of whether you have to clean toilets or wash the boss's car.

You shouldn't have high expectations as a career starter, but I don't think anyone does. It's clear that you don't immediately get benefits such as a company car and the like. Apprentices also have to pass a final exam. If they don't teach you anything, then that will also be jeopardized.


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Donnie
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 09:56 am CET#10752
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If a toilet is used normally, it is no problem to clean it. However, there are some people in the history of mankind who, for whatever reason, think that a toilet should not be left clean, and not just in the workplace. You can't expect a trainee to do that. Honestly, a CSI team should be called in to track them down

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Stromberg
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Chatterbox

20th Feb. 2024, at 10:15 am CET#10753
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frapi07 wrote on 20.02.2024 09:54:

Because that's a demotion. You weren't hired for that. Regardless of whether you have to clean toilets or wash the boss's car.

You shouldn't have high expectations as a career starter, but I don't think anyone does. It's clear that you don't immediately get benefits such as a company car and the like. Apprentices also have to pass a final exam. If they don't teach you anything, then that will also be jeopardized.



I think I mentioned very explicitly that work that is not related to the topic must remain within a small framework; this should not jeopardize the exam.

Well, as I said, if it's part of the business routine to clean the store in the evening, then in my opinion the trainee has to take part, even if it has nothing to do with cutting hair, cashiering, stocking shelves or whatever. If I, as the store owner, clean the store in the evening and the apprentice says, no, I wasn't hired for that, then I would immediately say f**k off.
If I, as the business owner, finish work at 5 o'clock and the trainee has to clean the store every evening, then of course that's not acceptable.
If, for example, in a larger company with several employee toilets, the trainee is scheduled as a cleaner, then of course that's not clear either.
You simply can't generalize and dismiss it across the board as degradation in my opinion.

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