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Saphira

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19th Feb. 2024, at 07:03 pm CET#10734

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gagapapamama wrote on 19.02.2024 at 18:27: I need your advice. I was given a Sony XR 75 4K inch TV for my birthday.
I hung it on the wall in my bedroom.

What I urgently need is a streak-free cleaning. Maybe someone knows a product that would be suitable.

I have already used Sidolin extra for TV but it is not streak-free. I always use a microfiber cloth with it.

I've also tried the damp cleaning cloths especially for TVs, but I don't like them either. There are always streaks.

Perhaps someone knows a product that they can recommend to me.

I use the Screen Cleaner from the company "Rogge" together with a microfiber cloth that is especially suitable for screens. The normal microfiber cloths from the supermarket are not suitable. Careful pre-cleaning with washing-up liquid also works.

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Stromberg

Forum posts: 4.600 Member since: 17.07.2017

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19th Feb. 2024, at 07:21 pm CET#10735

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Olli_Eule wrote on 19.02.2024 at 16:51:

the saying "apprenticeship years are not master years" this is already outdated and no longer in keeping with the times.

In the past, my mother even had to clean the toilets as an apprentice "hairdresser". That would no longer be the case today! Apprentices used to get even more of a beating than they do today?

During my apprenticeship in 1997, I also had to fight against my superiors, well, against the other employees. Because it wasn't feasible what they were asking me to do.

Of course, it wasn't supposed to be unnecessary work or harassment.... But if the trainee in a hairdressing salon also cleans the toilets, I think that's actually okay.

You don't have to hire an extra service Provider for this, as there will probably only be 2 toilets or so... Trainees are not only cheap labor, but the training also costs the company money. Even if it is, of course, an investment in a skilled worker who can be retained.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, the trainee can also take on one or two non-topic tasks.

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19th Feb. 2024, at 07:31 pm CET#10736

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I started my apprenticeship as a metalworker specializing in construction technology in 1995,
I even had to clean the band saw on Fridays, even though the old man urinated in it when he was drunk.
And the saying from my master back then was the same, apprenticeship years are not master years...
I carried welding equipment with copper balls up to the fourth floor on my own.
I think our gas and oxygen wagon was still from the Middle Ages, you could still hitch a horse to it and drive to the West.
Nowadays, nobody wants to learn anything,
All influenza and the like...
The times in Germany with the golden trade are unfortunately over, I love my job and am proud of it.
However, I have also practiced numerous other professions.

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Olli_Eule

Forum posts: 3.617 Member since: 15.10.2020

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19th Feb. 2024, at 11:33 pm CET#10737

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HerrLauer wrote on 19.02.2024 at 19:31: I started my apprenticeship as a metalworker specializing in construction technology in 1995,
I even had to clean the band saw on Fridays, even though the old man urinated in it when he was drunk.
And the saying from my master back then was the same, apprenticeship years are not master years...
I carried welding equipment with copper balls up to the fourth floor on my own.
I think our gas and oxygen wagon was still from the Middle Ages, you could still hitch a horse to it and drive to the West.
Nowadays, nobody wants to learn anything,
All influenza and the like...
The times in Germany with golden craftsmanship are unfortunately over, I love my job and am proud of it.
However, I have also practiced numerous other professions.

it's awesome that nobody wants to be a manual laborer, hotel cleaner, asparagus cutter, etc. anymore.

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Olli_Eule

Forum posts: 3.617 Member since: 15.10.2020

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19th Feb. 2024, at 11:39 pm CET#10738

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Stromberg wrote on 02/19/2024 at 7:21 pm:

Of course it shouldn't be unnecessary work or harassment.... But if the trainee in a hairdressing salon helps clean the toilets, I think that's actually okay.

You don't have to hire an extra service Provider for this, as there will probably only be 2 toilets or so... Trainees are not only cheap labor, but the training also costs the company money. Even if it is, of course, an investment in a skilled worker who can be retained.
Nevertheless, in my opinion, the trainee can also take on one or two non-subject-related tasks.

if it's just the toilet.

I had to shovel snow, dispose of garbage, separate garbage, make coffee, wash dishes, shop for the employees in all the stores, get yellow bags from the garbage truck. Distributing posters, etc.

The only problem was that I couldn't learn anything during my normal training because there was no time. My salary at the time was DM 410 per month plus social security contributions.

OKay, I didn't see it that way from the point of view that the employer was paying for the training.

I also found the work OKay, but as I said, other work was then required that was not feasible in terms of time. There wasn't enough time.

They then gave me 5 sales contracts to work on, which is actually only in the 3rd year of the apprenticeship and I was only there for 7 months.

Or I had 30 minutes to process the mail, and even had to take everything to the post office by 5 p.m. within that time. I had to walk 800 meters. it wasn't feasible in terms of time and was just stressful, and mistakes were made. for example, wrong addresses were written and stamped incorrectly. It was nonsensical, shopping was no problem but there was no time left for mail processing.

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frapi07

Forum posts: 2.816 Member since: 27.02.2021

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20th Feb. 2024, at 01:22 am CET#10739

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Olli_Eule wrote on 19.02.2024 at 16:51:

the saying "apprenticeship years are not master years" this is already outdated and no longer in keeping with the times.

In the past, my mother even had to clean the toilets as an apprentice "hairdresser". That would no longer be the case today! Apprentices used to get even more of a beating than they do today?

During my apprenticeship in 1997, I also had to fight against my superiors, well, against the other employees. Because it wasn't feasible to do what they asked of me.

I wouldn't say that. Today's trainees certainly get more recognition, appreciation and empathy, but there are still companies where it's not easy to be a trainee.

I'm now in my early 30s, I haven't done any training, but I have done a few internships. That was all in the early 2010s. So not during the DM era or anything like that. Do you think I was always handled with gloves? During one of my internships, I had to do janitorial work.

I had to paint walls, clean toilets, weed, cut hedges and vacuum the company for INCREDIBLE amounts of money. An internship like that would certainly be good for a secondary school student, but not for me. I wrote my advanced technical college certificate the following year. This certificate entitles you to enrol on a degree course. So office work (data maintenance, filing, etc.) would have been suitable.

I had to complete several internships due to the type of school (Bavarian FOS), which is why it didn't have to be paid. Of course, you usually got a small "thank you" at the end of the internship, but I never noticed that anyone got more than €100. That was rarely enough anyway. The internship lasted 2.5 months (2 internships of 2.5 months each in 2 different companies). You had to work 36 hours a week. This saved the companies 2.5 months' salary. As a thank you, I then had to do thankless tasks.

Unfortunately, I don't know what it used to be like, but I can at least tell you that you can have an unnecessarily hard time as an apprentice/intern. That won't have changed much today, despite the "shortage of trainees". You can tell from the pay. The pay is still poor, even if the minimum wage is currently €649/month, it's simply not enough. Without support (parents/family/state), an apprentice will not be able to survive on this. I deliberately write minimum wage, there are companies that have heard the bang and offer €1050 or more in the first year. However, the number of companies that offer such a wage is small. In most cases, these companies also have a collective agreement where everything is regulated.

Olli_Eule wrote on 19.02.2024 at 23:39:
if it only stays with the toilet.

I had to push snow, dispose of garbage, separate garbage, make coffee, wash dishes, shop for the employees in all stores, get yellow bags from the garbage truck. Distributing posters, etc.

The only problem was that I couldn't learn anything during my normal training because there was no time. My salary at the time was DM 410 per month plus social security contributions.

OKay, I didn't see it that way from the point of view that the employer was paying for the training.

I also found the work OKay, but as I said, other work was then required that was not feasible in terms of time. There wasn't enough time.

They then gave me 5 sales contracts to work on, which is actually only in the 3rd year of my apprenticeship and I was only there for 7 months.

Or I had 30 minutes to process the mail, and even had to take everything to the post office by 5 p.m. within that time. I had to walk 800 meters. it wasn't feasible in terms of time and was just stressful, and mistakes were made. for example, wrong addresses were written and stamped incorrectly. That was nonsensical, shopping was no problem but there was no time left for mail processing.

I also had to do some things as a working student. But that wasn't my main focus. I was unfortunately a "girl for everything". Nowadays you would call me an "all-rounder". Well, people took advantage of that. I didn't have to clean toilets, there was a cleaner for that, but I had to do other disgusting things. For example, introducing garbage cans. It doesn't sound disgusting, but in summer the garbage cans were full of some kind of creatures. They looked like dung beetles. I also had to measure the level of the drain, so I had to open the manhole cover and measure all that. Of course, I had to lie on my stomach for part of the time because otherwise it wouldn't be possible to measure everything accurately. It's not nice when you have to get your clothes dirty. Fortunately, it's all in the past now.

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Donnie

Forum posts: 3.247 Member since: 07.10.2021

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20th Feb. 2024, at 01:55 am CET#10740

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I once threw away an apprenticeship because I had to clean something all the time - it wasn't the toilets, but they could do that shit on their own. Then I learned something else and better. On the whole, I've never really been put down by a boss, I'm someone who does my work conscientiously, tidily and sensibly. If a boss comes across as stupid, I just say goodbye until sometime and go to the doctor or something (there are doctors here who just hand out sick bills, they don't care, say hello to Dr. Ali who is already retired and was the best man, the charlatan. I don't know how he managed to hardly ever treat anyone and still play a doctor, the guy was really a blast🤣). What I'm saying is that I'm not going to be enslaved, screw them. I certainly won't do anything for money or for a country that rips off its citizens. I've also been to the labor court for something and got justice and compensation. Don't put up with anything out there, a good employer shows respect for their employees anyway, you don't have to be treated like shit

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gamble1

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20th Feb. 2024, at 02:34 am CET#10741

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Donnie wrote on 20.02.2024 at 01:55: I once threw away an apprenticeship because I was supposed to clean something all the time, it wasn't toilets now, but they can do that crap on their own. Then I learned something else and better. On the whole, I've never really been put down by a boss, I'm someone who does my work conscientiously, tidily and sensibly. If a boss comes at me stupidly, I just say goodbye until sometime and go to the doctor or something (there are doctors here who just hand out sick bills, they don't care, hello to Dr. Ali who is already retired and was the best man, the charlatan. I don't know how he managed to hardly ever treat anyone and still play a doctor, the guy was really a blast🤣). What I'm saying is that I'm not going to be enslaved, screw them. I certainly won't do anything for money or for a country that rips off its citizens. I've also been to the labor court for something and got justice and compensation. Don't put up with nothing out there, a good employer shows respect for their employees anyway, you don't have to be treated like shit

The system with work today is more or less designed for injustice at its core

I mean, who stands in front of the mirror, except for the upper ranks, and says to themselves ... Yes, today I'm going back to my job that pays my labor and performance reasonably? Almost nobody

The people who are paid reasonably and well, usually even overpaid, don't stand on the mat at 6 or 7 in the morning and work until 4 or 5 p.m. That's what people who sell their whole lives to be able to live "well" do

Of course there are exceptions, for example the top manager often has a 20 hour day, but he can at least afford a vacation from the money where he gets everything carried after him for 1-2 weeks and can relax 100% something the normal worker can't usually do, no matter how well he earns

And if we then go back to the education system and especially in schools, we can see quite quickly how they are structured, namely not on personal development to make something of themselves but simply to form new cogs that then fit into the existing 9 to 5 system

I hope you understand what I mean

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Falke

Forum posts: 1.796 Member since: 06.03.2020

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20th Feb. 2024, at 02:49 am CET#10742

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gamble1 wrote on 02/20/2024 02:34 PM:

The system with labor in this day and age is more or less designed for injustice at its core though

I mean who stands in front of the mirror except for the upper rows and says to themselves ... Yes, today I'm going back to my job that pays my labor and performance reasonably? Almost nobody

The people who are paid reasonably and well, usually even overpaid, don't stand on the mat at 6 or 7 in the morning and work until 4 or 5 p.m. That's what people who sell their whole lives to be able to live just "well" do

Of course there are exceptions, for example the top manager often has a 20 hour day, but he can at least afford a vacation from the money where he gets everything carried after him for 1-2 weeks and can relax 100% something the normal worker can't usually do, no matter how well he earns

And if we then go back to the education system and especially in schools, we can see quite quickly how they are structured, namely not on personal development to make something of themselves but simply to form new cogs that then fit into the existing 9 to 5 system

I hope you understand what I mean

Well, there are a lot of people who have a degree and have a good job that they are happy with. You wouldn't believe how different the working hours and employment contracts are there. They often start at 9 or 10 a.m. and if they don't feel like it anymore, they go home at 2 p.m. again. Of course, it's not like that every day, but at least you have the freedom to do so.

Those who have to do such "slave jobs" belong more or less mainly to the lower classes.

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Stromberg

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20th Feb. 2024, at 08:34 am CET#10743

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Maybe you have to keep your head down a bit as a young professional and not talk directly about slave jobs because you have to do something that you don't like so much.
Apart from the fact that I find it extremely derogatory towards people who clean toilets or similar jobs.

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