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Off topic & small talk: Cash Your Opinion (Page 3)

Topic created on 03rd May. 2018 | Page: 3 of 5 | Answers: 42 | Views: 7,871
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4th May. 2018, at 06:30 pm CEST#21
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Matthias wrote on 04/05/2018 at 18:12: Interesting topic.

First of all: I am an absolute opponent of cash abolition!

One hears again and again, that only criminals pay with 500s, or cash should be abolished because it is so often misused...
I do not call myself a gangster, or criminal, but more often I get into the situation where I have to pay some things just quickly cash.
For example, I was just in the situation that I had to pay my rent or the rent Deposit for my apartment in Malta in cash.
Why in cash? Because opening a bank account in Malta takes a bit longer than you might be used to in Germany.
If I imagine I had no cash, I would probably be living on the street now because I canceled all my accounts in Germany.

I also like to pay with cash in the supermarket, like to push a bill into a Slot machine, or can quickly dispose of the money in an emergency.

Cash is simply a piece of freedom and I would not like to have that taken away.
You can pay anonymously, which I like - I don't want every store to store my personal bank data / personal details when I buy something.

That's right, but these are still rather minor effects.

You can only see how brazen the proposal is if you think a little further what all is possible if there is no more cash - and that's exactly why they want to do it.

- Every political opponent or enemy of the system can be immediately put out of action.

- One can require negative interest or confiscate the entire assets. The citizens can do nothing more against it. They can't do it now because otherwise citizens will withdraw their money - the so-called bank run - which politicians fear the most.

-The whole life, every habit, everything becomes thereby visible.

- Many more people fall into poverty, because many earn extra money by doing small extra jobs to feed their families.

- Every citizen is then dependent on banks - private companies that speculate with the money.

- The big financial crash will come soon and is inevitable. Therefore also the law proposal, so that one can delay the everything even longer rauszögern and the citizens can rob even more.

Orwell sends his regards.

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4th May. 2018, at 06:43 pm CEST#22
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Bone wrote on 04.05.2018 at 18:27: I think at all no citizen is for a cash abolition because cash in itself is still nothing negative. Even if I would pay everything with card and online I would want to keep the possibility to use cash. And that alone would cause a law like this to fail. If the majority of the population is against a law, it is difficult to implement.

... .so really! since they ask the citizens in Europe? Has this been newly introduced? Have I missed something important?
Nah times honestly... that is it nevertheless with the centralized systems. The consent of the citizens just no longer to use

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4th May. 2018, at 06:44 pm CEST#23
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Irrespective of the fact that the abolition of cash would be bad:

- Any political opponent or enemy of the system can be immediately put out of action with it.

Not directly. We are still in Germany and not in North Korea. Here, political opponents do not simply have their accounts frozen. Theoretically, it would be feasible, but it already is. If one would freeze me as a political opponent today the account the 30€ cash in my purse would not be the world. Also, political opponents could still be supported by allies in the form of goods. In general, an abolition of cash would have the consequence that a certain form of barter would emerge and probably even an unofficial physical currency would spread, which would be a serious problem for the state - a regulated cash market is still better than an illegal untaxed black market.

- You can charge negative interest or confiscate the entire balance. After all, citizens can't do anything about it anymore. Now they can't do it because otherwise citizens will withdraw their money - the so-called bank run - which politicians fear the most.

It is already possible to charge negative interest rates today. In fact, we have negative interest rates because the interest rate is lower than inflation. One can also confiscate assets today if there is a suspicion that they have been acquired through criminal activities. It would not be otherwise in a cash-free world. And there I must honestly say that I find it good if criminals their criminally earned money is also taken away again, better than a prison sentence even.

- Many more people fall into poverty, because many earn extra money by doing small extra jobs to feed their families.

There is so much political crap going on in this country that I don't want to say anything against it, although I am basically of the opinion that moonlighting is a bad thing and not a good thing.

- Every citizen is then dependent on banks - so private companies that speculate with the money then.

For it however far more would have to change than the cash circulation. The savings banks may not speculate at all on the free market, the other large banking houses secure themselves mostly by options. Even today, you don't speculate with the money in your checking account; in truth, all this money doesn't exist anyway. There is no longer any value at all for the virtual money and that is another huge problem.


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Cash Your Opinion

4th May. 2018, at 06:58 pm CEST#24
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Just don't.

Your arguments are so weak that it is already too tedious for me to respond.

Your way of thinking is just too naive, you still think that they all just want our good and you contradict yourself.
If that is all as you write then I ask myself why do they want to abolish cash at all if everything stays the same anyway?
Jaja,.beautiful Germany.


Did you know that there is already a law that allows the state to listen to your cell phone at any time, without a court order, without any real suspicion, even if it is turned off, to install a spyware that reads all your messages and listens to your conversations, even unnoticed activates your camera while you have sex with your girlfriend? The state has the "right" to invade your bedroom - worse than the Stasi.
And I repeat: this law already exists.
Did you know about it? No, you did not
Because, unfortunately, far too many people still live in their pink bubble, they like to keep quiet about such things in our propaganda media and the most important question is when Manchester will play against Bayern.

You're right about one thing: the money is actually worth nothing.

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4th May. 2018, at 07:06 pm CEST#25
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Okay if there is this law then please tell me. Tell me the paragraphs and give me a source. As far as I know, only the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution is allowed to do this, and the police are only allowed to do this in case of imminent danger, for example, they are allowed to turn on your webcam and place a Trojan if you inform yourself about how to build a bomb. But that is only in Bavaria because police law is a state matter. I also think nothing of this law and find that massively restricts personal freedom.

If there is this law really I take that back but then please tell me the paragraph. Because whether you want to believe it or not we live in a constitutional state and the laws are accessible to the population.

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4th May. 2018, at 07:16 pm CEST#26
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Bone wrote on 04/05/2018 at 19:06: Okay if there is this law then please name it. Name me the paragraphs and give me a source. As far as I know, only the Bundesverfassungsschutz is allowed to do that and the police is only allowed to do that in case of imminent danger, for example they are allowed to turn on your webcam and place a trojan if you inform yourself about how to build a bomb. But that is only in Bavaria because police law is a state matter. I also think nothing of this law and find that massively restricts personal freedom.

If there is this law really I take that back but then please tell me the paragraph. Because whether you want to believe it or not we live in a constitutional state and the laws are accessible to the population.

With pleasure.

I think that should clarify the matter.

https://www.facebook.com/Cashkurs/videos/1387707481319674/

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4th May. 2018, at 07:26 pm CEST#27
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Thank you now I have wasted 3 minutes of my life and still have no paragraph or legal text. Did it ever occur to you to question even such cheapest opinion videos?

Again, it's about crimes and as I said I don't like that either but goddamn no one, really no one, will ever wiretap your cell phone because your neighbor is evading taxes. This is such a huge propaganda bullshit that I don't feel offended when you accuse me of anything about obedience to authorities, I feel well entertained and would like to throw back as a final counter question who actually follows which authority here.

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4th May. 2018, at 07:33 pm CEST#28
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Bone wrote on 04/05/2018 at 19:26: Thanks now I wasted 3 minutes of my life and still have no paragraph or law text. Did it ever occur to you to question even such cheapest opinion videos?

Again, it's about crimes and as I said I don't like that either but goddamn no one, really no one, will ever wiretap your cell phone because your neighbor is evading taxes. This is such a huge propaganda bullshit that I don't feel offended when you accuse me of anything about obedience to authorities, I feel well entertained and would like to throw back as a final counter question who actually follows which authority here.

Dirk Müller is a serious and recognized stock market guru. Also referred to as Mr. Dax and has been in the financial world and media world many times. He is just one of the critical few.

The video is almost a year old. Back when I was looking into it, I checked out the info.
I don't believe everything I'm told unlike the majority who blindly follow the media. Doesn't seem to be any different with you.
Instead of this video as a reason to see from now on to research and inform yourself, you write here immediately after viewing the video that everything is bullshit, without having checked it yourself. Where do you take then the security that it is bullshit?
Or should I now also start a research for you and serve you everything morsels on the silver platter?


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4th May. 2018, at 07:40 pm CEST#29
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But here just for you:

It didn't take two minutes on Google to find something. Here is a report from the Süddeutsche.
Is certainly more "trustworthy" for you.


http://www.sueddeutsche.de/digital/staatstrojaner-bundestag-will-weitreichendes-ueberwachungsgesetz-beschliessen-1.3554426#redirectedFromLandingpage

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4th May. 2018, at 07:40 pm CEST#30
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I have already researched and found the same things I expected. Police law is a state matter and is currently only tightened in Bavaria, the "federal Trojan" may still not be used without criminal background and a corresponding law as you have formulated it simply does not exist. I know Dirk Müller I have dealt with one of his stock exchange systems for a long time but his political attitude still sucks. Expert knowledge never replaces social competence.

To contribute again more to the topic: A very factual overview and a reasonable opinion has I find this young gentleman:



Edit: Can I unfortunately not read because the page of the SZ with me despite deactivated Addblocker just will not work. Have but as I said myself researched and found no law as you described it. Note how you described it. Look again at what you originally claimed.

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