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Off topic & small talk: Cash Your Opinion (Page 2)

Topic created on 03rd May. 2018 | Page: 2 of 5 | Answers: 42 | Views: 7,870
Anonym
Knochen wrote on 03.05.2018 at 22:56: I agree with you partly but you also exaggerate. Because if it were as you describe then it would be even now so. In fact, the average German has about 60-80 € cash. Who still has cash under the pillow that is enough to travel outside the country? We already have a condition in which hardly anyone uses cash. If there were no more cash tomorrow, could the government or the Insurance company see your account activity? No! Why should they? For that, banking secrecy would have to be abolished, not cash.

(And if someone comes at me here about "Do you think you unworldly fool really that they can not see what you pay with your money and blablabla" I have to say no I think not but if that is so then the fact that there is no cash but nothing changes, keyword is Big Data and not whether you buy an anal dildo)

I think you just do not understand.

You argue something like: Yes, monitor me, take away my basic rights, because I have nothing to hide.

Banking secrecy has not really existed for a long time.
Meanwhile there is already a law which indicates every bank account, savings book, foreign exchange etc.. Almost every authority has without judicial decision insight on it and that with each individual citizen. Guess when this law was passed, like most criminal laws: During a major sporting event and citizens are distracted. Bread and games still works just like before.

And you think because the economic situation is getting worse anyway and the majority has no more money we should now give up the rest of our freedom because eh already no matter?

But you just pay everything with card if it is so indifferent to you, is your decision. But others, many others do not want that.
What advantage would you have exactly if cash were abolished? Name just one advantage that you personally would have then?

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Knochen
Elite
Discussing with people like you really makes no sense. You insinuate things here that I have never said and twist others into the complete opposite. If you had read what I wrote you would know for example that I personally almost always pay with cash and almost never buy online. I never said I was okay with being monitored because I have nothing to hide, that's bullshit. I'm not for the abolition of cash at all and that's what I wrote so why should I give you benefits for something I'm not for at all? This being against it in principle is not a smart way to argue. You should also acknowledge when someone is basically your opinion.

I actually think that the majority of the population has largely abandoned cash, but that doesn't mean that I do. I also think that the government has no interest at all in monitoring 80 million people and their purchasing behavior, only corporations are interested in this for market research, personalized advertising etc.

My father scans each of his shoppers at home and transmits the data to a market research company. In return he gets points which he can exchange for rewards. Nintendo Wii, camping equipment, fitness equipment, etc. Would these companies give out such Bonuses if they could have the same data for free? Not everything is monitored just because it is technically possible. Much is evaluated by algorithms and processed by computer systems but no employee of the oh so evil state sits somewhere and looks at how many cups of whipped cream you have bought and thinks cool, whipped cream.

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S****n
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqdu6tWZcmw

The problem is, once it's really done, it can't be undone.

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Knochen
Elite
Now this is really ridiculous and belongs even in the sub-topic conspiracy theories in a forum for conspiracy theories. We have not even close to states like this? Sure, it illustrates how data is stored, etc., but anyone who takes videos like this at face value really has problems.

Edit: The company is Nielsen and a very well known and reputable market research company. And this is voluntary and of course they sell the data anonymized but it's not like the health Insurance would now know what we have in the fridge.

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Anonym
Knochen wrote on 04.05.2018 at 14:24: Discussing with people like you really makes no sense. You insinuate things here that I never said and twist others into the complete opposite. If you had read what I wrote you would know for example that I personally almost always pay with cash and also almost never buy online. I never said I was okay with being monitored because I have nothing to hide, that's bullshit. I'm not for the abolition of cash at all and that's what I wrote so why should I give you benefits for something I'm not for at all? This being against it in principle is not a smart way to argue. You should also acknowledge when someone is basically your opinion.

I actually think that the majority of the population has largely abandoned cash, but that doesn't mean I do. I also think that the government has no interest at all in monitoring 80 million people and their purchasing behavior, only corporations are interested in this for market research, personalized advertising etc.

My father scans each of his shoppers at home and transmits the data to a market research company. In return he gets points which he can exchange for rewards. Nintendo Wii, camping equipment, fitness equipment, etc. Would these companies give out such rewards if they could have the same data for free? Not everything is monitored just because it is technically possible. Much is evaluated by algorithms and processed by computer systems but no employee of the oh so evil state sits somewhere and looks at how many cups of whipped cream you have bought and thinks cool, whipped cream.

Then stop blowing the same horn as the corrupt politicians who want to enforce the proposal.

The only argument they bring is that you can eliminate criminals with it - ridiculous to want to introduce something so drastic so that you supposedly have a few less petty criminals.
The argument is completely absurd.
But YOU have mentioned it several times and put it even as a fact and show not only that you believe the nonsense but also imply that it has its meaning anyway and would not be bad.

And the topic is simply too seriously that one must concern oneself also still with Obrighörigen those with it their work carry out.
In this topic, we "small" must be united so that we "small" then do not have to suffer the consequences.

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Matthias
Expert
Interesting topic.

First of all, I am absolutely opposed to the abolition of cash!

One hears again and again, that only criminals pay with 500s, or cash would have to be abolished because it is so often misused...
I do not call myself a gangster, or criminal, but often I get into the situation where I have to pay some things just quickly cash.
For example, I was just in the situation that I had to pay my rent or the rent Deposit for my apartment in Malta in cash.
Why in cash? Because opening a bank account in Malta takes a bit longer than you might be used to in Germany.
If I imagine I had no cash, I would probably be living on the street now because I canceled all my accounts in Germany.

I also like to pay with cash in the supermarket, like to push a bill into a Slot machine, or can quickly dispose of the money in an emergency.

Cash is simply a piece of freedom and I would not like to have that taken away.
You can pay anonymously, which I like - I don't want every store to store my personal bank data / personal details when I buy something.

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Knochen
Elite
I give up. I am against the abolition of cash, but I am also a person who recognizes facts. And the fact is that most Germans do not use large bills. Their usefulness is severely limited. The abolition of these banknotes would not result in the abolition of cash at all. I don't think cash will be abolished and it doesn't look like it will be abolished just because people are discussing abolishing the highest banknotes, which have proven to be of little use in practice, or no longer printing them or taking them out of circulation. The next time you pay your weekly groceries at Lidl with a 500, let me know.

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Anonym
Well at least we all understand each other insofar as we are all opponents of the abolition of cash!

I repeat the slogan:
Cash means freedom!

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Knochen
Elite
I don't think any citizen is in favor of abolishing cash because cash in itself is nothing negative. Even if I would pay everything with card and online I would still want to keep the possibility to use cash. And that alone would cause a law like this to fail. If the majority of the population is against a law, it is difficult to implement.

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Anonym
Matthias wrote on 04/05/2018 at 18:12: Interesting topic.

First of all: I am an absolute opponent of cash abolition!

One hears again and again, that only criminals pay with 500s, or cash should be abolished because it is so often misused...
I do not call myself a gangster, or criminal, but more often I get into the situation where I have to pay some things just quickly cash.
For example, I was just in the situation that I had to pay my rent or the rent Deposit for my apartment in Malta in cash.
Why in cash? Because opening a bank account in Malta takes a bit longer than you might be used to in Germany.
If I imagine I had no cash, I would probably be living on the street now because I canceled all my accounts in Germany.

I also like to pay with cash in the supermarket, like to push a bill into a Slot machine, or can quickly dispose of the money in an emergency.

Cash is simply a piece of freedom and I would not like to have that taken away.
You can pay anonymously, which I like - I don't want every store to store my personal bank data / personal details when I buy something.

That's right, but these are still rather minor effects.

You can only see how brazen the proposal is if you think a little further what all is possible if there is no more cash - and that's exactly why they want to do it.

- Every political opponent or enemy of the system can be immediately put out of action.

- One can require negative interest or confiscate the entire assets. The citizens can do nothing more against it. They can't do it now because otherwise citizens will withdraw their money - the so-called bank run - which politicians fear the most.

-The whole life, every habit, everything becomes thereby visible.

- Many more people fall into poverty, because many earn extra money by doing small extra jobs to feed their families.

- Every citizen is then dependent on banks - private companies that speculate with the money.

- The big financial crash will come soon and is inevitable. Therefore also the law proposal, so that one can delay the everything even longer rauszögern and the citizens can rob even more.

Orwell sends his regards.

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