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Off topic & small talk: Begging threads and money requests (Page 6)

Topic created on 07th Aug. 2018 | Page: 6 of 9 | Answers: 84 | Views: 14,717
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Begging threads and money requests

7th Aug. 2018, at 09:49 pm CEST#51
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upola wrote on 07/08/2018 at 21:46



How important do you think you are? You are probably also afraid that my phone listens to your calls or secretly reads your emails.

But really. d How can one be so reality-restistant and think that the BND has nothing else to do, as all
To listen to all phone calls. They have enough to do to find the radicals and dangerous people who came with the stream of refugees
who have come with the influx of refugees.

They will also listen to your phone call....sure....

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upola
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Begging threads and money requests

7th Aug. 2018, at 10:00 pm CEST#52
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I have already logged off my phone, then no one can listen to me.

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s****e

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7th Aug. 2018, at 10:00 pm CEST#53
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VM292 wrote on 08/07/2018 at 21:48
We all unfortunately forgot that money is just a piece of paper...

The basic income what Julian has described would be the only and right way! And none of you can tell me that he would not take 1500 € per month more!

Self-realization is but with the underclass as good as impossible! What do you think how our economy would boom if there would sit people who really really Bock have!

I take myself as an example...
After my Abitur I studied ...
and do you know what I was looking for? According to the salary prospects! I decided to study business informatics... I have two children and I want to offer them something! After the bachelor's degree, I stood there and had no desire for all the crap... then I thought about yes what can I do? What do I really want... and the voice in my head said only "well, if it's nothing clever then leave it and sit with the IT‘lern behind the desk" ...

In the end I took a Risk and just went completely across to sales because I'm selling you all my used toothbrush and you're going to love it!


Out there are people eaten up by depression because they have money worries without end! And in these heads is so much because everyone can what! And who gives them the chance?

in Germany everyone is supported. Everyone has his health Insurance, his apartment and his money.



You don't have to give such incentives.



If I have a partner, I have together with this 3000€. From this 1000€ off for ne almost already luxury apartment,

remain still 2000€



Why should anyone go to work when you can sleep in and travel to countries?

Not everyone is so ambitious, and therefore makes what out of his life. Why also, the coal is more than enough!
And the costs would be distributed on much less shoulders, because in my opinion there would be more
unemployed would give, and thus in the long run financially not sustainable.



This is also shown by the countries where it has already been tried

I think you are putting too much trust in the population.



Of course, performance is not always rewarded. There will always be injustices.

But I think giving incentives to faucet is the wrong way to go.



Even with Hartz 4, there are already some who make themselves comfortable in the social hammock and

say themselves, it is relatively good enough for life

Think at 1,500 € can count a few million loose to it!



And all who are here in this forum and gamble but prove that they have money enough or over in principle!

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Begging threads and money requests

7th Aug. 2018, at 10:14 pm CEST#54
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stkrie wrote on 07/08/2018 at 22:00
in Germany everyone is caught up after all. Everyone has his health Insurance, his apartment and his money.

You don't have to give such incentives.

If I have a partner, I have together with this 3000€. From this 1000€ off for ne almost already luxury apartment,
remain still 2000€

Why should someone still go to work, if you can sleep late and travel to countries?
Not everyone is so ambitious, and therefore makes what out of his life. Why also, the coal is more than enough!

And therefore I believe that this basic income would not last long, because there would be more unemployed, and thereby
the costs would rise immeasurably. And the costs would be distributed on much less shoulders, because in my opinion there would be more
unemployed would be, and thus in the long run financially unsustainable.

This is also shown by the countries where it has already been tried
I think you put too much trust in the population.

Of course, one or the other would take advantage of the basic income. But don't those who get Hartz 4 also do that?

Here is always talked about the 400 € but think about it further... there is the rent the electricity the telephone the GEZ... all this must not be paid from this 400 €... and then there are still shopping vouchers for Aldi and Co. yes what do you think why they all have a cigarette butt in their mouth? And if you add it all up, it's much more than just this 400€ ...

The problem is not that... one is constantly besieged by those must fill out 30 pages here and there to 20 appointments come 100 mediation meetings perceive etc.!!!
The push you then a job for 8.50 minimum wage on which you have anyway no Bock, which as mentioned above is counterproductive whether for AN or AG... and all this only so that the unemployment rate is not quite so high...

All this would not exist if everyone had the same opportunities! If at the Jobcenter not arbitrarily people are pushed into jobs but one really investigates what can this person, where he can really do what and permanently!

This is a very complex issue I find...

For 1000 € you get here in Munich, by the way, certainly no luxury apartmentðŸ˜' with good luck 3 rooms and then but cold

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s****e

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7th Aug. 2018, at 10:23 pm CEST#55
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Yes Munich is now but also really an extreme example!
With us it would be a luxury apartment, and I'm not even from the East

Yes, that topic is really complex. There will be opponents and supporters, who hold on to their opinion
Opinion.

Honestly, if my cottage would be paid off, I would also spread in the social hammock
Hammock broadly make, if I would get then still 1500€. I work to survive
and pay off, but not out of conviction.
And I think there are some of them! And exactly that would be the problem.
And that, although I already work my whole life, and not a day was unemployed, and I with the
BGE would still make minus, but it would be enough for me.
Then rather sleep in, and be able to do what you want!
Maybe still such a mini-job, and I would be happy!

But I am still against it, although it would bring me in the future what.
I think that half the economy would collapse
And just that one should not give incentives for laziness! Just what e.g.
the handicraft occupations, or the occupations, which are unfortunately underpaid,
and for which it would almost be worthwhile to quit.


But let's leave it at that

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7th Aug. 2018, at 10:25 pm CEST#56
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@vm292
If at the Jobcenter people are not arbitrarily pushed into jobs

What do you mean with it? the people get a work vermittele around money to earn.
One must times of it away, which wants to make everyone only that which makes one fun.

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7th Aug. 2018, at 11:13 pm CEST#57
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I bring myself here also times...

Can understand Stkrie and his supporters... the fear of an economic collapse.

But I agree with Julian and VM292... i

I think that the Harzer comparison is not necessarily the best example for the fact that with entitled BGE humans become lazy. On the contrary, I think that a human being is energetic by nature, but the existing system makes him a listless being.

Who really wants to work hard? For a few euros, energy, health and strength are invested, which one would get even with less effort.

Go to work and get at the end for it just as much money as a Harzer, or one is Aufstocker and it comes the same with rum.
For what? Only so that one beautifies the AQ?

No, a BGE eliminates basic existential worries and man can devote himself to more valuable things... I am firmly convinced that creativity can only develop from a contented condition... that shows itself in many through voluntary work.

The problem is of course the policy does not play with, not because it would not be financially possible, but so the Merkel times to... you fear yes, that otherwise no one would go to work more...

Hmmmm.... means the approximately exactly in such a way as them and their colleagues already do? Increase diets for rum hypocritical.

Too bad, because when I look at the global decisions of all politicians, I do not get the feeling that these would somehow primarily benefit the peoples, so their fear is for nen ass and the denial serves only to maintain their advantages.

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8th Aug. 2018, at 12:03 am CEST#58
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upola wrote on 08/07/2018 at 22:25: @vm292
If at the job center people are not arbitrarily pushed into jobs

What do you mean by that?People get a job mediated to earn money.
You have to get away from the fact that everyone wants to do only what makes you fun.

If one can do something well it makes one automatically fun! One achieves better results, reaps more recognition, receives more pay, etc..

it's not about wanting to do but being able to do!

And in the long run it makes no sense to give someone a job just so that he is no longer unemployed.

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Begging threads and money requests

8th Aug. 2018, at 07:16 am CEST#59
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After 6 pages of discussion: Are begging and money requests allowed or not?

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8th Aug. 2018, at 09:53 am CEST#60
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What will happen to the professions that are already difficult to fill?
Hairdressers, butchers, bakers, retail in general.
If everyone only does what he enjoys or what he is particularly good at, the professions will die out.


One goes primarily to work to earn money.Earlier also no one was asked what he would like to do.
In Germany, we are still doing well, better than in many other countries.

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