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Topic created on 02nd Apr. 2019 | Page: 1 of 26 | Answers: 253 | Views: 80,454
Unrealmaster32
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 12:53 pm CEST#121
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Hello Com,
actually I wanted to wait with the creation of the thread, but have now decided to create it now. I have already talked to Julian about it.
At the beginning of February I got the message that against me a preliminary investigation was initiated because of participation in illegal gambling, according to §285 StGB
I was first totally shocked, on inquiry with the police how they come then to this opinion the following facts were explained to me:

In late 2016, early 2017 I had my Bigwin in Platincasino of 20,000€, gibts here in the forum also a thread about it. I have in each case in 5K steps the amount paid out to my PayPal account and then to my bank account. (Did not transfer it directly to the bank account). Then in March I received a call from my bank. (VR Bank)
I was asked where these amounts came from, as they do not match my usual bank transactions. I explained to him that I won the money on the Internet, nothing more. He was satisfied with this answer and hung up. About 3 weeks later I received a letter by registered mail that my bank account would be terminated by the bank with the background that I could not explain where these transactions would come from and a suspicion of money laundering could not be ruled out
I thought to myself, well, I'll just go to another bank. If only that had been the case...
At the same time, the bank informed the LKA of the suspicion of money laundering, which was checked and denied by the LKA. However, it so happened that they came across the participation in the online casino, because I have also paid out in the past from time to time smaller amounts to the bank account. And that's how the ball started rolling
On the same day as the proceedings were opened against me, my apartment was searched and my PC, hard drive, tablet and cell phone were seized. (In the meantime I have everything again)

What have I done so far?
Of course I don't gamble anymore and I will never gamble again. At the same time, I was first at the lawyer to look at the file, then finally decided to make a statement myself. (Has other reasons)
I'm still waiting for a response from the prosecutor's office, hope of course for setting.

I think in the meantime there is a lot going on with the authorities and banks. (One sees also again and again in opened Threads)
Think about whether you still want to continue online gambling or rather wait until it comes to a regulated decision. I will in any case no longer gamble online.

cheers

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Julian
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:05 pm CEST#1
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It's funny that you mention above that you supposedly talked to me about it, yet I never received a message from you.
Therefore, for me the story is very questionable and I have the feeling that you would intentionally publish a fictional story.

In addition, your dates do not match the timeline in the forum.
You are talking about 2016 but you won at Platincasino only in November 2017:
https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/beschwerden/hoher-gewinn-bei-platin-casino-4843/

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Anonym

Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:08 pm CEST#2
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Hm, if the amounts that are in the room do not belong to the usual movements, one can understand that somehow. I suspect that someone took the whole thing more seriously than should normally be the case. In general, you should be more careful with online things. PayPal is already quite ok - only your info "won on the Internet" had probably arrived at someone with a short fuse. Stupidly run. I would have told the banker that I have sold my record collection on ebay/ebay classifieds.

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Anonym

Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:08 pm CEST#3
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That is times different violently if it is true.

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Unrealmaster32
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:09 pm CEST#4
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Sorry, have confused you. Meant Daniel and we have written over skype

Why should I invent that? Take it easy...
I'm here since 2017 and read regularly, I have no need to invent something like that....

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Unrealmaster32
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:17 pm CEST#5
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Julian wrote on 04/02/2019 at 13:05: It's funny that you mention above that you supposedly talked to me about it, yet I never received a message from you.
So for me the story is very questionable and I have the feeling you would intentionally post a made up story.

In addition, your dates do not match the timeline in the forum.
You are talking about 2016 but you won at Platincasino only in November 2017:
https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/beschwerden/hoher-gewinn-bei-platin-casino-4843/

So it was late 2017 then, my god. If you're just here to check if I'm lying here or not, then just close the topic and I'm gone. Do you actually know how I've been beating myself up the last week hoping the DA's office doesn't convict me of this shit? You want a copy of the search warrant?!
I thought I'd share this with you to show you that in the meantime they are probably taking action against it, but apparently everything is being doubted here.

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casinochris

Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:22 pm CEST#6
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I happen to be a lawyer and can assure that a house search when money laundering is excluded is not the order of the day.

The defendant would not have received a letter but a visit and a search warrant.

99% of the story is made up.

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Unrealmaster32
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:27 pm CEST#7
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casinochris wrote on 04/02/2019 at 13:22: I happen to be a lawyer and can assure that a house search when money laundering is ruled out is not the order of the day.

The defendant would also not have received a letter for the purpose of Risk of obscurity but a visit and a search warrant.

99% of the story is made up.

Did I mention anywhere that I received a letter? I wrote: On the same day as the proceedings were opened against me, my apartment was searched. What is wrong with you???

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Julian
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Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:33 pm CEST#8
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Unrealmaster32 wrote on 04/02/2019 1:17 PM
So it was the end of 2017 then, my god. If you're just here to check if I'm LYING here or not, then just close the thread and I'm gone. Do you actually know how I've been beating myself up the last week hoping the DA's office doesn't convict me of this shit? You want a copy of the search warrant?!
I thought I'd share this with you to show you that in the meantime they are probably taking action against it, but apparently everything is being doubted here.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to be biased.
I just wanted to explain the facts since the above points seemed a bit Spanish to me.

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Anonym

Indication because of §285 StGB

2nd Apr. 2019, at 01:33 pm CEST#9
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Some people don't want to believe that Online Casinos are illegal in Germany, that there are legal consequences and therefore doubt your story.

But only 2 years after the money came the procedure? Does that really take so long?

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