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Conspiracy theories: Vegas Hero scammer. and maybe GJ supports this OC?

Topic created on 28th Nov. 2019 | Page: 1 of 3 | Answers: 22 | Views: 6,715
Katana1666
Rookie
Dear Community,

after half-hearted partial payouts were made, the thread was closed by GJ as "solved".
Interesting, because I still have screenshots where 800,00€ from Vegas Hero as a payout stand and disappeared from the overview at short notice. Several emails were not answered, although I had attached the screenshot and asked where the please the 800.00 € disappeared to. GJ represents the opinion that VH has but so-something not necessary and I should turn to the MGA. So here was 100% taken sides without knowing the full facts. Interesting!
First help was offered and then ...
Why does GJ react like this? Quite simply, I dared to tell you that they are manipulating you. And that is by too positive OC reviews, because they get for each player who registers here through GJ at a casino a commission for the mediation. And it doesn't matter if you win or lose. So for me the suspicion is obvious, not to cause really negative reviews to make sure that players sign up and Deposit well
OK, you certainly didn't like that. I understand. What I also believe, you don't win anything but nothing at all when you sign up with an OC or want to have your money. Thousands of spins and tens of free spins but no win. Hours, days, weeks. I for my part have today made the decision and Vegas Hero completely the back to turned. The machinations of this OC is no longer supported by me for a second. And as for GJ, this will probably be my last contribution, because I have the feeling to get real help here too, not to be allowed to represent an honest opinion but rather to be portrayed as a frustrated player, although the facts (pictures, videos, correspondence) speak for the player. So I withdraw from GJ and hope that one or the other the right decision, what VH concerns reconsiders
GJ, from you I am only disappointed and do not wish to get a single direct message more. Gladly you can speak against the player again or consider as "solved" or delete the contribution fast times. It is no longer interested

Sincerity I would have found valuable.

In this sense. "Greed eats brains"

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MarcT22186
Expert
Today but also really all were released again...

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chriss1808
Experienced
the contribution is already interesting

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MarcT22186
Expert
chriss1808 wrote on 11/28/2019 at 01:50: interesting the article is already

Yes a good read, that's true, but interesting?
First of all we don't know the exact source case of this story
We only have the origin case https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/casinobeschwerden/vegas-hero/auszahlungen-werden-abgelehnt-119278/ and already there the whole thing is more than suspicious. I come to a forum, I am offered help and I make other members stupid, put untrue things in the room, etc.!?

1. Why should a casino pay out partial amounts? The effort is way too enormous.
2. Have you ever seen an active complaint case here marked as solved when the user in question is still reporting problems there?
3. Why should screenshots be deleted? That makes no sense, because the user probably still has access to them. I rather think that the images were published on a free image hoster. The delete but also from time to time times and that relatively quickly after upload.
4. GJ represents such an opinion and says he should contact the mga? GJ, in this case even Caro, which rips here the backside for such cases, as pro casino person to put is already ne house number. In addition, for GJ at some point the influence is over and it goes only about mga. But that has nothing to do with taking sides.
5. WE are manipulated by GJ through OC reviews, which users write here? Sounds logical... Furthermore, I have bspw. not yet accepted an Affiliate offer from GJ, because so far nix exciting. I like to read reviews, but I make my decision for or against here in the forum.
6. No help...? See link above! Frustrated, aggressive player ? See link above
7. This is a pure bashing attempt by him. Exclusively accusations and not A fact that backs up even one point.

Now, please tell me where the interesting thing is exactly. Maybe I'm missing it!!! If he would have inserted a screenshot where he confirms the content, from my point 4, he would have convinced me instant and we would discuss here with GJ. So, it is for me 100% bullshit

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Katana1666
Rookie
MarcT22186 wrote at 02:49 on 11/28/2019
Yes a good read, that is true, but interesting?
First of all, we don't know the exact source case of this story
We only have the origin case https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/casinobeschwerden/vegas-hero/auszahlungen-werden-abgelehnt-119278/ and already there the whole thing is more than suspect. I come to a forum, I am offered help and I make other members stupid, put untrue things in the room, etc.!?

1. Why should a casino pay out partial amounts? The effort is way too enormous.
2. Have you ever seen an active complaint case here marked as solved when the user in question is still reporting problems there?
3. Why should screenshots be deleted? That makes no sense, because the user probably still has access to them. I rather think that the images were published on a free image hoster. The delete but also from time to time times and that relatively quickly after upload.
4. GJ represents such an opinion and says he should contact the mga? GJ, in this case even Caro, which rips here the backside for such cases, as pro casino person to put is already ne house number. In addition, for GJ at some point the influence is over and it goes only about mga. But that has nothing to do with taking sides.
5. WE are manipulated by GJ through OC reviews, which users write here? Sounds logical... Furthermore, I have bspw. not yet accepted an Affiliate offer from GJ, because so far nix exciting. I like to read reviews, but I make my decision for or against here in the forum.
6. No help...? See link above! Frustrated, aggressive player ? See link above
7. This is a pure bashing attempt by him. Exclusively accusations and not A fact that backs up even one point.

Now, please tell me where the interesting thing is exactly. Maybe I'm missing it!!! If he would have inserted a screenshot where he confirms the content, from my point 4, he would have convinced me instant and we would discuss here with GJ. So, it is for me 100% bullshit s

Hi Interesting that you classify it as False. How can I put the screenshots here, I'll be happy to put the mails, pictures etc in here to convince you. And no it is not bashing. On the contrary I even thanked GJ for pushing for the 1,200€ at the beginning. And yes I agree with you that their influence is also limited. However, I had not asked for this. Only if unsolved cases are treated as solved, then there is already a strange aftertaste. It was also asked for my personal mail because the casino manager would like to find a solution with me here. 1. You have the mail address. 2. They have my phone number. Ok I gave GJ the info again, but there was no contact. Why?
And yes I agree with you that where I was looking for help at the beginning I was really hard with some, but please read the comments, there was not really helped but only naively posted and that has angered me

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Dbac79
Elite
GJ does not even have to stand by you in case of problems, they do that voluntarily because they just have a contact person in the respective casinos. most reviews are also written by the users only the "presentation" of a casino with video, pros and cons comes from GJ and in my opinion, the assessment of GJ is actually as they perceived it during testing, just because your experience in a casino was different from GJ does not necessarily mean that GJ this casino intentionally better than it really is,

This is the internet, there is room for everything, you can find anything you want legal, illegal just one thing is hard to find and that is something you can 100% rely on to be true

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Caro
Expert
Now hold your horses. I have written to you via Communicator and asked you to forward me your e-mail address. Because the casino manager needs this information to look at your case. How can we have your phone number and e-mail address? There was no talk of personal here - don't twist the facts. I have also informed you about data protection etc. and have asked for your permission to forward the data to the casino. Point.

I have spoken to the casino manager about your case over several days and the last thing he told me was that you have received all your payouts. Yes you thanked me for the 1.200EUR. After you told me that the 800EUR was not paid out, I told you that you should contact the MGA. I am in the end only the "mediator" and if the casino tells me that all amounts were paid out and you say again 800EUR are missing, then the best thing you can do is to contact the MGA. This has nothing to do with me taking sides, but I can not do more!

If you want, I'll be happy to open the thread again and you can update this once the case has been cleared by the MGA or whoever

One more thing I have to say and this makes me really mad/sad...I think many users who know me know that I really like my job and I enjoy (believe it or not) taking care of your complaints. And just so you know, for each and every complaint, I go to the A**** for you. In most cases it was always in favor of the user, but sometimes not.

So that was my word to the Donenrstag, sorry for the non-existent umlauts...

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Anonym
I honestly do not understand...I thought everyone here is aware that gamblejoe about each of the you about their page at oc logs money earned...there you do not even have to be smart to know that . How else should this site be financed..and also the lotteries take place..you don't really think that they do that as a hobby..or that they take money from their private account..no one would be so naive... this site is their thing with which they earn bread and water...and then people come and want to tell that gj are scammers oh man..so I signed up with the knowledge that I with each oc where I register about the money collect...and what can I say..me is indifferent. I would have signed up somewhere either way..and fraud is not it for me either because the reviews are made by people like me..and I basically make honest reviews even if they are sometimes very negative. No one has forced anyone to register through this site at the casinos..so I would remain calm despite the frustration and look for another online casino, where you hald then just do not sign up through their link and is good

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wettibernd
Expert
Bella wrote on 28.11.2019 at 11:33 am: I honestly do not understand...I thought everyone here is aware of the gamblejoe about each of you about their page at oc money earned..there you do not even have to be smart to know that . How else should this site be financed..and also the lotteries take place..you don't really think that they do that as a hobby..or that they take money out of their private account..no one would be that naive..this site is their thing where they earn bread and water.

Exactly so it is, Gamblejoe earns the money over Affi and from it they never made a secret. In my opinion, this site is the best thing you can find in German about Online Casinos on the net, even with criticism and suggestions for improvement is handled properly here. The reviews are objective and come from users who have played there themselves, why should the team of GJ prefer any casino or even engage in fraudulent machinations with such a company? This lacks any logic!
I would also like to say that over 90% of the users who have turned to the community with a justified complaint have also been helped. In any case, I was helped quickly and unbureaucratically in each case and everything has dissolved into goodwill

Conclusion: I would not want to miss this site and will recommend it to every gamer without hesitation.

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MarcT22186
Expert
Katana1666 wrote on 11/28/2019 10:41 AM
Hi Interesting that you classify it as Wrong. How can I paste the screenshots here, I'll be happy to put the mails, pics etc in here to convince you. And no it is not bashing. On the contrary I even thanked GJ for pushing for the 1,200€ at the beginning. And yes I agree with you that their influence is also limited. However, I had not asked for this. Only if unsolved cases are treated as solved, then there is already a strange aftertaste. It was also asked for my personal mail because the casino manager would like to find a solution with me here. 1. You have the mail address. 2. They have my phone number. Ok I gave GJ the info again, but there was no contact. Why?
And yes I agree with you that where I was looking for help at the beginning I was really hard with some, but please read the comments, there was not really helped but only naively posted and that has angered me.

Why is this interesting? Here are constantly complaints about casinos from new users, Caro is always in front when it comes to help and to act as an interface. Compared to other sites like AG, a pro-user solution here is huge. Sometimes it takes time you have not had two weeks patience. Such cases lie at the mga sometimes for months and your chance to get there what goes against 0.
Your original idea to run this through a lawyer, would have driven you, by the way, probably in the ruin. As far as I know, no one has ever won a case and legal protection does not pay in such cases
Caro could have simply referred you to AG. After two weeks the case would have been rejected and closed. Because they only mediate rudimentary and decide clearly in favor of OC. Their Affiliate contracts are simply too big and you are only a Risk decision for them should they agree with you.
As for the comments, you come here in as a new user in a forum with loud old hands, they have Starburst still played with stones and see such an opening post. Then it is their duty to classify you first something. This is not even meant badly, with complaints about which it is about a good rod of money, you must remain cool, even if it is difficult. Anything else makes you look bad on the one hand and on the other hand you become unfocused and in such cases details are more important than pure aggression.

Once again: To forward you to the mga is not a pro-OC behavior or even to take sides with it, it is simply the only remaining possible means. To build pressure on the basis of factual descriptions you have destroyed directly with your opening post.

Apart from that, if you had only taken the trouble to read over the solved complaints, you would have immediately recognized why it ended like this
Caro has won much more difficult, but factually presented, against probably much more lucrative (in terms of affiliate contracts) active partners. At the latest, it should have been clear to you that the outcome could have had nothing to do with profit on the part of GJ.

I find it really scary how normal it has become people who help you for FREE and make from 0 already times safely deposited on the account 1200€, so can attack from behind. / ready alley further would no longer be suitable for the day program!

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