Conspiracy theories: My personal sobering conclusion about online casinos with the support of 8 other players (Page 7)

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Unbeliver wrote on 06/22/2019 at 15:37: So there it is again the big topic of fraud and Manipulation in OCs...
You can give very simple answers, which probably don't read that easy for everyone, as in the case of Knochen, and still not get an inch further, or you could go a little deeper now and try to explain to people like the TE that the actual manipulation (there is no fraud) already takes place in the programming, using all currently legal means, just like in any other economic sector. The player is manipulated, not the game itself and not by the OC and certainly not during the game, a differentiation that some simply cannot comprehend.
What does manipulating the player mean now. Slots today are programmed so that you play more and also Deposit more and also play again. There are various possibilities, such as almost situations that are deliberately programmed in this way. Today a game is also programmed in such a way that the RTP is adhered to but one nevertheless does not come on a green branch, one starts e.g. with 50 euro, it goes with small wins down to 25 euro and then comes a win with 18 euro and always so on. Most continue to play after the 18 euro win, because you want to win a little more and come over the original balance of 50 euros. So the RTP is held without that much is won and it is more deposited and more gambled. Every 50 more that is deposited means again 3-4% more of this sum, one calls such a thing also profit optimization. The large outliers, which can occur naturally always and also so wanted are the good to tidy to super profits and the total losses, the latter more frequently occurring, in order to make possible the former. The possibility of getting a big win keeps the whole thing going, has always been in gambling and will remain so. In principle and mathematically, this has always been the case, even with Roulette hundreds of years ago or even with the disc machine 40 years ago in the pub, but the "system" has been optimized and the player thus more manipulated. The player has always been manipulated, not to limit this to today's situation, but this has also been optimized to encourage people, especially more people, to play more and make more deposits.
All this is not fraud and manipulation in the current game operation, which would also be prohibited and certainly already come to light.
So you can win and lose, both are always possible and despite the aforementioned points you can play with fun and win something but also lose. Everything else like Gambling addiction etc. cannot be blamed 1:1 on online gambling, this has always existed and will always exist. There are reports of people in the 19th century who gambled away everything they owned, even after big wins, until everything and more was gone.
I consider the situation described by the TE to be absolutely impossible, not with the stake levels, the duration of the game and the sums given over this period. The wins do come at some point, not as much as losses but the scenario described simply does not exist.

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wettibernd wrote on 23/06/2019 at 00:49: @Unbeliver

Thanks for your post and I'm hugely pleased when someone here gives it some thought. I agree with you in almost all points, because it is simply so.

But please no more in this besch....enenen color. Since a HIrn hurts yes and not only the eyes.

Thanks for the next time

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t****m wrote on 06/20/2019 at 10:43 am: I have had my share of experiences in various casinos lately with the help of 8 player friends.

It is amazing how congruent our opinions on the individual casinos are.

We all without exception have been playing in Online Casinos for a very long time. In some cases, well over 10 years (StarGames)

The whole "test" took place over the period of just under a year. All "testers" have played in the same casinos
and the stakes were between 20 cents to a maximum of 1 euro per spin.

The highest single win of the 9 testers was 800 euros on 80 cents on the Play N Go game Book of Dead.

The second highest single win was 260 euros on bonus games in the Pragmatic Games game Gold Rush.

Now in short form to the individual casinos:

• RIZK (Feeding after registration to then get worse and worse until as good as nothing comes, RTP is maintained only by small wins, Wheel of RIZK is a very bad joke because there never come anything - service is underground)


• SlotsMillion (same handling as at RIZK...absolutely underground)


• Lapalingo (feeding as so often and then it only goes downhill - extremely stroppy incompetent service)


• LordLucky (belongs to Lapalingo...same approach as Lapalingo)


• CasinoEuro (none of the 9 testers was able to win even one Euro here, totally disgusting rip-off, support is somehow non-existent)


• Frank & Fred (here you were allowed to play with your money for a while in the beginning but not win, after that it only went downhill)


• Fairplay (should change its name...also here none of the 9 testers could win something...zero support and slow games come in addition)


• Twin (also a joke without any win of the 9 testers, also here the support is bad)


• Videoslots (here all have been able to play at the beginning and also sometimes pay out something, this went so about 4 weeks...then the casino was dead for all of us)


• LVBet (worked for a while with fake Novoline games, also here there was only one payout with 9 players)


• Unibet (is only bad, with all test participants no wins, if you complain to the support you fly out)


• Ikibu (feeding and indeed with without exception all 9 participants exactly 1 x...then it went only downward)


• Dunder (absolutely the same procedure as ikibu)

Not listed here are the former big OCs like StarGames, Quasar, VIKS. These are now all no longer active on the German market.
At these casinos, at least I had wins and also higher payouts every now and then until the beginning of 2018. At Quasar, I was even seen on 1 year in the plus.
The other competitors have also made the same experience.

Also still played at: Platin, Duelz, GUTS, energy,betsson, stake7, energy, platin...... ... ..All the same miserable garbage!!!!

The current casinos are just huge money destroying machines for us.
Each of us has lost between 15 and 20 TD euros in the test period and there was not a hint of a chance in hindsight.
It is also no longer exciting to play. Entertainment factor is no longer there at all.

Since we all independently of each other amazingly similar to absolutely the same experiences have made what the individual casinos are concerned we are of the opinion that it is
in these casinos can not go with right things. The intersection is simply too large.

I currently consider this to be a giant scam machine.

Whether MGA or whichever supervisory authorities allegedly control compliance with the regulations. I / we don't believe a word of it.

Conclusion: That one does not become rich from playing should probably be clear to everyone who had not only singing and clapping in school. But the fact that this hobby is no longer even remotely fun, despite its high cost, should inspire everyone to think about stopping.

For the 9 of us, the current OC market is a huge scam and rip-off machine.

We have had our accounts deleted in all of the above casinos. There are fewer and fewer casinos and all the new casinos are getting even weirder.

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Blubbo33 wrote on 06/20/2019 at 11:39 AM
How do you KNOW they don't have an impact, just like RTP.
There is no evidence for or against it

That's why I'm always amazed with what matter of fact you keep writing this to people
The only thing that is certain is that everyone will end up in the red at some point.

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t****m wrote on 06/20/2019 11:52 am
Hi...this is exactly what I mean. And this is exactly what is striking. And I and my 8 acquaintances have exactly this impression.
Of course the casinos are able to manipulate...and that with the help of the game manufacturers.....think of Novoline in Austria and the practices of Mr. Gauselmann in the past...

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