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Conspiracy theories: My personal sobering conclusion about online casinos with the support of 8 other players (Page 2)

Topic created on 20th Jun. 2019 | Page: 2 of 10 | Answers: 97 | Views: 23,825
Knochen
Elite
Blubbo33 wrote on 06/20/2019 at 11:39 AM
How do you KNOW they don't have an impact, just like RTP.
There is no evidence for or against it

That's why I'm always amazed with what matter of fact you keep writing this to people
The only thing that is certain is that everyone will end up in the red at some point.

Yes, of course, everyone ends up in the red. Explains the RTP.

If you really understood what RTP means, you wouldn't even doubt that it's true. That's probably why I can't explain it to you, but I'll try one last time. The RTP is nothing else than the house edge of the casino. 96% RTP means that the player gets 96% of his bet IN A CUT PER SPIN. This may sound okay, but it is shockingly low. Let's say you play a round of book of Dead. First spin 0X. Second spin 2X

Sounds pretty normal, but is actually already above average luck. ABOVE AVERAGE.

Why can't the RTP actually be manipulated at all? Because that would be the worst, most obvious and nonsensical fraud of all time.

Everybody can see his RTP by himself. If not on the casino site, then he could always just sit at home and take notes. Anyone who does this will find in the long run that the RTP is somewhat spot on. The more spins, the closer you usually get. The cheating would be conceivably bad, anyone could detect it. Besides, you don't need it at all. A casino makes so much more win with 96% RTP than some would think. For comparison: Roulette has a RTP of 98%. Already 200 years ago casinos made such a turnover that whole cities or principalities were financed by it. A roulette game also lasts much longer than a slot game AND the player loses less

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WithoutWings
Expert
I share your opinion to a large extent.

I started in December and have used monthly 10000 euros in 50 euro increments in all the above casinos.

At the beginning came some 5 digit wins and also always only once in the respective casino, then for months nothing at all
In the Casino Club I deposited without end and never got anything. Rizk LeoVegas mrgreen and co only once a big win after regestrierung and never again what

Last I got 5000 out at BoD since I can Deposit no matter in which casino for weeks and turn as I want I do not even get free spins more.

Probably I win there again something if I play more than 5000 since I could even bet on it

I have largely blocked me because it just makes no sense more

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t****m
WithoutWings wrote on 06/20/2019 at 11:46 am: I share your opinion to a large extent.

I started in December and used 10000 euros monthly in 50 euro increments in all the casinos mentioned above.

At the beginning came some 5 digit wins and also always only once in the respective casino, then for months nothing at all
In the Casino Club I deposited without end and never got anything. Rizk LeoVegas mrgreen and co only once a big win after regestrierung and never again what

Last I got 5000 out at BoD since I can Deposit no matter in which casino for weeks and turn as I want I do not even get free spins more.

Probably I win something again when I play more than 5000 because I could even bet on it

I have largely blocked me because it just makes no sense more.

Hello...that's exactly what I mean. And that is exactly what is striking. And I and my 8 acquaintances have exactly this impression.
Of course, the casinos are able to manipulate...and that with the help of the game manufacturers.....think of Novoline in Austria and the practices of Mr. Gauselmann in the past...

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B****3
Bones wrote on 06/20/2019 11:46 AM
Yes of course they all end up in the red. Explains the RTP.

If you really understood what RTP means, you wouldn't even doubt that it is true. That's probably why I can't explain it to you, but I'll try one last time. The RTP is nothing else than the house edge of the casino. 96% RTP means that the player gets 96% of his bet IN A CUT PER SPIN. This may sound okay, but it is shockingly low. Let's say you play a round of book of Dead. First spin 0X. Second spin 2X

Sounds pretty normal, but is actually already above average luck. ABOVE AVERAGE.

Why can't the RTP actually be manipulated at all? Because that would be the worst, most obvious and nonsensical fraud of all time.

Everybody can see his RTP by himself. If not on the casino site, then he could always just sit at home and take notes. Anyone who does this will find in the long run that the RTP is somewhat spot on. The more spins, the closer you usually get. The cheating would be conceivably bad, anyone could detect it. Besides, you don't need it at all. A casino makes so much more win with 96% RTP than some would think. For comparison: Roulette has a RTP of 98%. Already 200 years ago, casinos made such a turnover that entire cities or principalities were financed by it. A roulette game also lasts much longer than a slot game AND the player loses less


Sorry this is really nonsense for me
RTP are fairy tales in my eyes
I've been playing for years now, and there are games where I don't even come close to the rtp

And sure I can write now, play another 2 years sometime comes the big hit to compensate

And maybe one more.
That would mean in reverse, always play only games where your rtp is bad, because in your opinion it will eventually equalize, and do not play in the games where your rtp is high that it inevitably leads to losses, to achieve a balance here

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t****m
Blubbo33 wrote on 06/20/2019 12:02 PM
Sorry this is really bullshit to me
RTP are fairy tales in my eyes
I've been at it for years now and there are games where I don't come close to rtp

And sure I can write now, play another 2 years sometime comes the big hit to compensate

And maybe one more.
That would mean in reverse, always play only games where your rtp is bad, because in your opinion it will eventually equalize, and do not play in the games where your rtp is high that it inevitably leads to losses, to achieve a balance here.

I agree with you completely.
What is going on in the casinos is already too obvious.
The whole then with arguments such as RTP, licensing and seriousness to want to defend is already quite simple thought.
The bone certainly works for a casino or so...... he is quite convinced of their sincerity.

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Knochen
Elite
What a nonsense. So now I'm working for a casino again, huh?

Someone who claims that the stated RTP is bullshit is already very much affected by a perceptual disorder. How do you explain all the winning pictures on Gamblejoe? Are you complaining that the RTP is higher than stated? Surely not. By the way, there is also a second important factor: Variance

If you play games with low variance, you will probably be frighteningly close to the RTP after 200-300 spins, and you will hardly change it much. Games with high variance, such as BoD, may well run a few 10000 spins until the specified RTP is reached. And of course there is no guarantee on this, it is pure mathematics

Imagine a ball rolling randomly across a large map. On the map are different fields painted. A super big field with 0X and a smaller field with 1x. These two fields alone occupy more than half of the map. So it goes on and on until somewhere in the very last corner there is a very small field with 5000x. Every time the ball rolls you pay a bet and get the amount back.

Would you play this game? Probably not, because it sounds boring as shit and the chances to win are pretty bad. But a Slot machine is basically nothing else. Some machines may not have a tiny 5000x field, but a slightly larger 500x field, but basically it always comes down to the same math: the longer you play, the more you lose. After 10 tries it is absolutely realistic to still be in the plus. But who spins only 10 times? Most players play several thousand spins per session. With every single spin they lose on average 3-6%. How should you be in the plus?

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t****m
Bone wrote on 06/20/2019 12:44 PM: What a bullshit. So now I'm working for a casino again, right?

Someone who claims that the stated RTP is bullshit is already very much affected by a perceptual disorder. How do you explain all the winning pictures on Gamblejoe? Are you complaining that the RTP is higher than stated? Surely not. By the way, there is also a second important factor: Variance

If you play games with low variance, you will probably be frighteningly close to the RTP after 200-300 spins and you will hardly change it much. Games with high variance, such as BoD, may well run a few 10000 spins until the specified RTP is reached. And of course there is no guarantee on this, it is pure mathematics

Imagine a ball rolling randomly across a large map. On the map are different fields painted. A super big field with 0X and a smaller field with 1x. These two fields alone occupy more than half of the map. So it goes on and on until somewhere in the very last corner there is a very small field with 5000x. Every time the ball rolls you pay a bet and get the amount back.

Would you play this game? Probably not, because it sounds boring as shit and the chances to win are pretty bad. But a Slot machine is basically nothing else. Some machines may not have a tiny 5000x field, but a slightly larger 500x field, but basically it always comes down to the same math: the longer you play, the more you lose. After 10 tries it is absolutely realistic to still be in the plus. But who spins only 10 times? Most players play several thousand spins per session. With every single spin they lose on average 3-6%. How should you be in the plus?

... I don't care if you work for a casino or not.

I also don't care if I lose in the casino but had fun because it was exciting with ups and downs.

It doesn't matter what you play in the end it's just dull and boring. You get screwed after the line and thread.
In my opinion, you as a player have no chance at all because (and I'm pretty sure of this) everything is manipulated.

There the game manufacturers and the Ocs make common cause. Then the right people bribed and the whole thing runs under the guise of respectability. That's how it works today. Gambling is and remains mafia.

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Anonym

Bone wrote on 06/20/2019 12:44 PM: What a bullshit. So now I'm working for a casino again, right?

Someone who claims that the stated RTP is bullshit is already very much affected by a perceptual disorder. How do you explain all the winning pictures on Gamblejoe? Are you complaining that the RTP is higher than stated? Surely not. By the way, there is also a second important factor: Variance

If you play games with low variance, you will probably be frighteningly close to the RTP after 200-300 spins, and you will hardly change it much. Games with high variance, such as BoD, may well run a few 10000 spins until the specified RTP is reached. And of course there is no guarantee on this, it is pure mathematics

Imagine a ball rolling randomly across a large map. On the map are different fields painted. A super big field with 0X and a smaller field with 1x. These two fields alone occupy more than half of the map. So it goes on and on until somewhere in the very last corner there is a very small field with 5000x. Every time the ball rolls you pay a bet and get the amount back.

Would you play this game? Probably not, because it sounds boring as shit and the chances to win are pretty bad. But a Slot machine is basically nothing else. Some machines may not have a tiny 5000x field, but a slightly larger 500x field, but basically it always comes down to the same math: the longer you play, the more you lose. After 10 tries it is absolutely realistic to still be in the plus. But who spins only 10 times? Most players play several thousand spins per session. With every single spin they lose on average 3-6%. How should you be in the plus?

Just something about the winning pictures

If every gambler would upload "pictures-from-sessions-where-won-nothing" here, this area would be much bigger than the winning pictures...

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t****m
Cryptique wrote on 06/20/2019 12:58 PM

Just something about the winning pictures

If every gamer would upload "pictures-from-sessions-where-no-win-was" here, this section would be much bigger than the winning pictures...

i agree with you unreservedly.....but one would like to see only the positive things...

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Knochen
Elite
Okay you smart guys. Then please both of you be so kind as to answer a question for me:

Why the hell do you let yourselves get screwed over? If you're convinced that everything is rigged and you're being cheated and ripped off, why are you playing at all? Who is so inconsistent as to expose a scam and then get scammed by the same scam?

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