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Conspiracy theories: Manipulation at BTG? (Page 6)

Topic created on 10th Jul. 2020 | Page: 6 of 16 | Answers: 159 | Views: 24,283
Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 02:25 pm CEST#51
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Jokerboy wrote on 11.07.2020 at 14:19: It doesn't change the coincidence!

As long as the "coincidence" has not been proven you can't talk about it....

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Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 02:32 pm CEST#52
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Jesus Christ.
If you think there is cheating involved, then stop gambling.
And don't get me started on gambling addiction.
Not everyone who gambles is addicted to gambling.

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 02:46 pm CEST#53
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Jokerboy wrote on 11.07.2020 at 14:19
Ok, so explain to me the "interface" in offline casino. It works exactly the same way! Once you win, you will always lose afterwards. Do you think the machine recognizes your money and now knows that you had 5 explorers on Book of Ra yesterday? Even offline there are phases where the machines throw and where they are closed and nothing runs

Another case: Today you win 6 in the lottery. Next week and for the next 20 years you win nothing. Where is the interface now? In this case, the chance is 1:140000000

What is the chance to get a win in the OC? And by win I mean win (so 2000 - 5000x or even more). Do I get such a win every day, because I play and Deposit my money and the box has to give something? I can deposit 10 000 EUR and go out with 0 EUR and I can deposit 50 EUR and go out with 100 000 EUR!

We can turn and turn it as we want. It changes nothing at the coincidence!

The interface would be nothing more than a computer/server that stores all data, as well as the deposit and withdrawal of all players.

Casinos retrieve their data from it, and can react accordingly. Probably
fully automatically. Even large winnings could be stored
it would be technically no problem. You also get every spin on the respective
Page. It's nothing else. Presumably one orients oneself however only at the
Payouts

If the regulation comes in Germany, where everything is stored and processed by a central office
and processed, it's the same. They know exactly whether you have already reached the 1000€,have your data, there are wins with
the deposits, so the planning. Where is the difference now? Why is this so absurd?
You always log in with your name, so the computer does not need to recognize you
Computer does not need to recognize you, it only compares the data.

There are lottery winners who have won several times, sometimes even consecutively, despite the minimal chance.
And there it concerns completely different sums.
In addition, the draw is public. I don't see anything in the slot. Whether I ever had the chance to win, I will never know
never know.

I don't know any player who has won over 50,000€ in 5 different casinos in a row. Despite millions
of players, despite the "chance"! Despite all the years. I am talking about normal players, not high rollers!
The interface prevents this, I am sure.

How high the chance to win is, the OC keep nice and secret. They are not stupid.
One is fobbed off with the statement, everything coincidence, trust us. Yes, of course.
In my eyes, more proof of manipulation. Nothing is made public, everything is done
in secret rooms. Is that a sign of seriousness?

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 03:10 pm CEST#54
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blackmamba wrote on 07/11/2020 at 2:46 pm

If the regulation comes in Germany, where everything is stored by a central place
and processed, it's the same. They know exactly if you have already reached the 1000€,have your data, there will be wins with
the deposits, so the planning. Where is the difference now? Why is this so absurd?
You always log in with your name, so the computer does not need to recognize you
Computer does not need to recognize you, it only compares the data.

That's interesting and I don't believe that this rule applies if I have deposited 500 EUR in two different casinos, that they then suddenly say that you have reached the limit

Would have to watch as soon as this rule (if it then comes at all) is in force. For this case, would certainly be some considerations to make. But I still don't believe that this changes anything about the coincidence

Playing should be fun and not take you completely. This is also always claimed by the casinos - but I mean it seriously. If I have won really big, then I just have to take a break and not believe that I will have this luck again. That's exactly how it looks when I've invested too much. Limits help you do that, and of course you have to stick to them

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 03:29 pm CEST#55
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Jokerboy wrote on 11.07.2020 at 15:10
That's interesting and I don't think that rule applies if I deposited 500 EUR each in two different casinos, that they then suddenly say you've reached the limit

Would have to watch as soon as this rule (if it then comes at all) is in force. For this case, would certainly be some considerations to make. But I still don't believe that this changes anything about the coincidence

Playing should be fun and not take you completely. This is also always claimed by the casinos - but I mean it seriously. If I have won really big, then I just have to take a break and not believe that I will have this luck again. That's exactly how it looks when I've invested too much. Limits help you do that, and of course you have to stick to them.

I agree with you there


So I do not doubt that such a Zenrale is feasible. All licensed casinos are connected with this
and the names, addresses, deposits and withdrawals are encrypted. I do not think that this is a big deal.

You are right about the break, but actually it is totally insane. Since supposedly every spin has the same chance,
why should I pause? Contradicts itself.

I just lack the evidence for the high wins in several casinos in a row.
Look at this thread, it should not even exist. It's all based on chance.

Winning series are very rare, no question, but it would have to occur, and also be known.
Such a series with let's say a total of 400.000€ over several days could not be kept secret.
And as I said, each spin has the same chance, so there would have to be bad luck series, but also sometimes the one or other really fat winning series. Over days.

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 04:02 pm CEST#56
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Jokerboy wrote on 11.07.2020 at 14:19
Ok, so explain to me the "interface" in offline casino. It works exactly the same way! Once you win, you will always lose afterwards. Do you think the machine recognizes your money and now knows that you had 5 explorers on Book of Ra yesterday? Even offline there are phases where the machines throw and where they are closed and nothing runs

Another case: Today you win 6 in the lottery. Next week and for the next 20 years you win nothing. Where is the interface now? In this case, the chance is 1:140000000

What is the chance to get a win in the OC? And by win I mean win (so 2000 - 5000x or even more). Do I get such a win every day, because I play and Deposit my money and the box has to give something? I can deposit 10 000 EUR and go out with 0 EUR and I can deposit 50 EUR and go out with 100 000 EUR!

We can turn and turn it as we want. It changes nothing at the coincidence!

If there is one rtp per game, there may as well be one rtp per manufacturer. It's very simple. And the rtp regulates it due to the programming by itself when you win. If you have won a lot, it's over for a while. At some point you win again a few days and then the same again from the beginning. That's what I think. 8 years of playing confirm that. The interface takes care of when you win what and how much where. Every spin is recorded. So every win can be recorded. Is your total rtp in the basement, you can assume with enough turnover that it pops again. I even predicted big wins back then. I predicted several x1000 wins. So how does that work if everything would be pure chance and luck. Simply because it is programmed and predetermined. Rtp per manufacturer makes it possible. Of course, in the long run always with a negative outcome

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 04:24 pm CEST#57
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Chillaqueen92 wrote on 07/11/2020 at 16:02
If there is one rtp per game, there might as well be one rtp per manufacturer. Is quite simple. And the rtp regulates it because of the programming by itself when you win. If you have won a lot, it's over for a while. At some point you win again a few days and then the same again from the beginning. That's what I think. 8 years of playing confirm that. The interface takes care of when you win what and how much where. Every spin is recorded. So every win can be recorded. Is your total rtp in the basement, you can assume with enough turnover that it pops again. I even predicted big wins back then. I predicted several x1000 wins. So how does that work if everything would be pure chance and luck. Simply because it is programmed and predetermined. Rtp per manufacturer makes it possible. Of course, in the long run always with a negative outcome.

I do not want to deny anyone his experiences. Everyone has to carry his baggage. One feels cheated, the other says it's luck

I have never made any calculations that show how much I paid in and what I got out of it in the end. I do not intend to do so, because I think that it spoils the fun of the game. The casino always wins in the end. That's because it's a company that's focused on winning. The games are programmed, of course. And they're programmed so that every single one of us doesn't make a win in the long run

Therefore, don't bite into it so hard. Enjoy the game and don't overdo it. If you always believe in a conspiracy, it's no longer fun and depressing.

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 04:45 pm CEST#58
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Jokerboy wrote on 11/07/2020 at 16:24
The casino always wins in the end. That's because it's a business designed to make a win. The games are programmed, of course. And they are programmed so that every single one of us doesn't make a win in the long run

Therefore, don't bite into it so hard. Enjoy the game and don't overdo it. If you always believe in a conspiracy, it's no longer fun and depressing.


"The casino always wins anyway"
A prime example of standard answers, applicable to all problems that arise...




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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 04:59 pm CEST#59
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Tribeholz wrote on 07/11/2020 at 16:45


"The casino always wins anyway"
A prime example of standard answers, applicable to all problems that arise...





Question is only how they win

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Manipulation at BTG?

11th Jul. 2020, at 06:33 pm CEST#60
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One should simply turn off the naive thinking;-) more I can say about it also no more

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