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Conspiracy theories: Manipulation at BTG? (Page 14)

Topic created on 10th Jul. 2020 | Page: 14 of 16 | Answers: 159 | Views: 24,459
alexamg

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 06:01 pm CEST#132
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rtp is 96.2 %...actually ok..actually.i always ask myself in which period or from which revenue this return to player must work or run.within a month calculated on all revenues or how.supposedly everything is based on some logarithms and the random principle.but how does a coincidence recognize that it is time to give the guaranteed 96.6 %rtp?

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 08:09 pm CEST#133
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alexamg wrote on 13.07.2020 at 18:01: rtp is 96.2 %...actually ok..actually.i always ask myself in which period or from which revenue this return to player must work or expire.within a month calculated on all revenues or how.supposedly everything is based on iwelchen logarithms and the random principle.but how does a coincidence,that it is time to give the guaranteed 96.6 %rtp here?

I would also be interested in this

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wettibernd
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Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 08:23 pm CEST#134
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The tiresome topic with the RTP, first and foremost, a 96.6% RTP means that you as a player lose 3.4 cents for every spin you make with one euro and you can do that until you are broke. Or to put it another way, it means that the casino keeps 3.4% of the revenue for itself

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 08:32 pm CEST#135
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wettibernd wrote on 13.07.2020 at 20:23 clock: The vexed issue with the RTP, first and foremost means a 96.6% RTP that you as a player for every spin you make with a euro 3.4 cents lost and you can then do so until you are broke. Or in other words it means that the casino keeps 3.4% of the revenue for itself.

That is clear.

But what is not clear to me, in what period and after how many spins must the 97% be reached?
97% must be reached? that would really interest me.

And if a slot should reach a certain percentage after a certain time and spins,
where is the coincidence! I do not understand! Would they deduct the 3% directly from the Deposit as an
running costs, and otherwise leave it to absolute chance, it would be clear to me.

But has the slot 70%, and the spins and time are around, he must still come to the 97%.
And that is depending on the mass of deposits not so little. Does he then necessarily play an
Ultra-Big Win? And where is the coincidence then? And yes, I am aware that intermediate winnings also count
also count

And why do the providers/casinos make such a state secret out of it, instead of breaking it down decently
per slot? That just feeds the conspiracy instead of just countering it.

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 08:37 pm CEST#136
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But if the slot has 70%, and the spins and time are over, it still has to get to the 97%.
And that is depending on the mass of deposits not so little. Does he then inevitably play a
Ultra-Big Win? And where is the coincidence then?? And yes, I am aware that intermediate winnings also count
count as well.


But this is hardly possible if e.g. one has played down to 70% rtp with 1 and 2 euro stake and assumed in the slot 10k miese has and then his life only small with 20 or 40 cent the slot weirerspielen would. How should the slot then please compensate for that if maxwin zb only 5000x would be?

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 08:48 pm CEST#137
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Chillaqueen92 wrote on 07/13/2020 at 20:37: But if the slot has 70%, and the spins and time are around, it still has to get to the 97%.
And depending on the mass of deposits, that's not so little. Does he then inevitably play a
Ultra-Big Win? And where is the coincidence then?? And yes, I am aware that intermediate winnings also count
count as well.


But this is hardly possible if e.g. one has played down to 70% rtp with 1 and 2 euro stake and assumed in the slot 10k miese has and then his life only small with 20 or 40 cent the slot weirerspielen would. How should the slot then please compensate if maxwin zb only 5000x would be?

That again would depend on how everything is calculated. Take BOD. Play per day say 5 million players worldwide, and make 500 million spins on all bet levels. How is that calculated then? When does it have to be at the 97%? And who checks that it is not, say, 85%? Since no player knows from the others how much they have bet and how many spins they have made, at most the own result remains. But this is not supposed to be representative! So I never get that out.


And since the providers/casinos don't publish anything, I have to rely on warm words that everything has its
Has its correctness

Your Ford Fiesta costs 120.000€. Relying on me, everything is correct....
The price of the car is determined in a complex pricing process. Sometimes you pay less,
sometimes more. However, we do not publish anything. Everything is done on a basis of trust.
Conversely, however, I gag them with my terms and conditions. If they make a mistake, the money is gone. We think that's fair!
No one sees through it, but everyone defends the price determination procedure

@Chilla

Then the slot should not let it come purely thoretically it so far.
But because it is not verifiable, no one asks!

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Begbie
Elite

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 09:03 pm CEST#138
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From a practical point of view, when a game is about to be released, a comparison is made between the software and the mathematics. The adjustment runs at least 1mrd games, but can also be 1.5 or 2mrd games. During this adjustment, deviations from the RTP occur, which must be corrected. The adjustment must then be restarted. Only when the above mentioned number is reached without deviation, the game is mathematically ok. So and just to clarify, 1mrd is 1000mio, 1000000000 individual games. A number with 9 zeros. So if you think you have achieved a lot with 500000 games to make a statement about the RTP, you are very wrong

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 09:27 pm CEST#139
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Begbie wrote on 07/13/2020 at 9:03 pm: Times from practice, when a game is about to be released, a match is made between software and math. The alignment runs at least 1mrd games, but can be 1.5 or 2mrd games. During this adjustment, deviations from the RTP occur, which must be corrected. The adjustment must then be restarted. Only when the above mentioned number is reached without deviation, the game is mathematically ok. So and just to clarify, 1mrd is 1000mio, 1000000000 individual games. A number with 9 zeros. So if you think you have achieved a lot with 500000 games to make a statement about the RTP, you are very wrong.

Either way we can't make a statement about the RTP, because we don't have the necessary data.
But thanks for the info!

Industries that control themselves are always a bit suspicious.

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Anonym

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 09:29 pm CEST#140
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blackmamba wrote on 07/13/2020 at 21:27
Either way, we can't comment on the RTP because we are deprived of the necessary data to do so.
But thanks for the info!

Industries that police themselves are always a bit suspect.

Och Blacki... is and remains secret. Must be so, because otherwise we would all be rich or would not play, because we all know when the things throw. And RTP is a basic value - one has an RTP of 20, the other 120 - how does that coincide with the specification of 96?

Look in the contribution of Begbie, then you know it!

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b****a

Manipulation at BTG?

13th Jul. 2020, at 09:34 pm CEST#141
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Jokerboy wrote on 07/13/2020 at 21:29
Och Blacki... is and remains secret. Must be so, because otherwise we would all be rich or not play, because we all know when the things throw. And RTP is by the way a basic value - one has a RTP of 20 the other 120 - how does that now coincide with the specification of 96?

Look in the contribution of Begbie, then you know it!

och nöööööö, but not so simple

so bissl transparency would not be bad. in and payouts at the various game levels would be enough.
should not say when which slot schmeisst


the masses would be calmer, and that's why i still don't know when they're throwing
but maybe they all have an average of 70%, no one knows because no one knows the other millions of players......



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