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Conspiracy theories: Coincidence or not ? (Page 3)

Topic created on 12th Feb. 2021 | Page: 3 of 5 | Answers: 41 | Views: 9,390
Stromberg
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Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 12:45 pm CET#19
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Have also long thought similar to Begbie, that win or no win is already determined at the Deposit
In the meantime, however, I think that the "normal" sessions that do not go only in one direction, such as steep uphill or downhill, rather fade out or not so much in memory keeps.
Then there are just these sessions where you have maybe first a good win, then eaten like stupid, then put your last 20 on a few sports bets, have a good balance again and maybe again a good hit in the casino afterwards. If it goes well, then I sometimes play with a deposit or after a good sports betting 2 weeks with this deposit, always bet a bit casino etc...

If you reflect every session you make, after payout or loss once, then you already realize that there are very many game progressions.

It also happens that you deposit 50 and then win something good with the last spin.

In the end, you can not disprove the theory now, you can always say that was just the predetermined course of play...

I give begbie but what these lucky streaks right, that is partly already strange. If one already skims an ultra rare x1000 or more win, then switches to any games, where you had so far maybe not so lucky and again free spins here, free spins there... That seems to one then already funny...


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Falke
Expert

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 12:57 pm CET#20
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Begbie wrote on 13.02.2021 at 12:12 pm: Then explain how it can be that if it runs well, you can play any xbeliebigen slot, there it runs then just well. And vice versa. That this should be coincidence for each individual slot, unbelievable.

And that in the Live Casino can not be cheated well, just in Roulette there are umpteen videos that show the completely unnatural behavior of the ball.

How often have you played and won a little?

For example, you Deposit 100€ and quickly get up to 250. But you keep playing and it goes up and down and in the end you are back at zero.

Yes, I know that too.

But I also know this from the live casino.

There were days when a player won pretty much everything he touched. From the Blackjack table to Poker etc. and everywhere an incredible luck

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Falke
Expert

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 12:58 pm CET#21
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Tribeholz wrote on 02/13/2021 at 12:33 PM

Evolution Gaming example:

Why does live Roulette there always switch to a different camera perspective after the ball is thrown?
Logically, that with such a procedure fraud accusations arise.
Because you wouldn't even need to manipulate anything, but just fade in another scene with the desired number.


I'm not talking about online live casinos, but about a real Live Casino where I worked as a Croupier for many years.

So you can believe me that at least the experiences I had there are true.

Since I myself do not play online live casino, but only slots, I can not say anything about it.

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Anonym

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 01:59 pm CET#22
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Falke wrote on 13.02.2021 at 12:58
I am not talking about online live casinos but about a real Live Casino where I worked as a Croupier for many years.

You can believe me that at least the experiences I have made there correspond to the truth.

Since I myself do not play online live casino, but only slots, I can not say anything about it.

All right, I thought "live" meant "online live".


Nevertheless, I'm surprised that hardly anyone talks about these camera perspective changes when talking about "online Roulette fraud".
Probably too simple to be considered as suspicion

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ShakhtarD
Amateur

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 02:19 pm CET#23
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Tribeholz wrote on 02/13/2021 at 13:59 PM

All right, I thought "live" meant "online live".


Still, I'm surprised that hardly anyone talks about these camera perspective changes when talking about "online Roulette fraud".
Probably too simple to be considered as suspicion

I always wonder what advantage the casino would have if the result of a live game round was manipulated
You can bet on whatever you want and if the result is manipulated in such a way that I lose, then someone else wins, because many people are playing at the same time at the same live table
One could now claim that the result would be manipulated so that the events with the largest stakes lose. However, this is put into perspective by the large number of players and stakes.

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Anonym

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 05:19 pm CET#24
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ShakhtarD wrote on 13.02.2021 at 14:19
I always wonder what advantage the casino would have if the result of a live game round was manipulated
You can bet on whatever you want and if the result is manipulated so that I lose, then someone else wins, there are many playing at the same time at the same live table
One could now claim that the result would be manipulated so that the events with the largest stakes lose. However, this is put into perspective by the large number of players and stakes.


What advantage would the casino have in case of Manipulation?
Um well..., e.g. more income and less expenditure...to express it easily understandable

But why do you think they change the perspective after throwing the ball?

That would be the same if at a real Roulette table someone would briefly pull a curtain....

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Falke
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Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 05:50 pm CET#25
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Tribeholz wrote on 02/13/2021 at 17:19


What advantage would the casino have if manipulated???
Uhhm well..., e.g. more revenue and less expenses...to put it in easy terms

But why do you think they change the perspective after throwing the ball?

That would be the same if at a real Roulette table someone would briefly pull a curtain....

So I can tell you from my experience as a Croupier that this is not the thinking

The advantage is always there anyway, due to the bank advantage.

The problem of most players is that they completely misjudge the Bank advantage and estimate their own chances higher than they really are.

I notice that here in the forum quite often when 96% RTP is written. Many players simply do not even understand what that means.
They seriously think if they Deposit 100€ then they have to get 96€ back.

Also, I have often read here that players think that if they lose often that others win more often because of the RTP. And that simply can not be more wrong.

If 100 players each deposit 100, then it can be that all 100 players lose their complete deposit completely. But then there are not 10,000 in the Pot, but it can be that 100 players lose again without a win. 96%RTP is an immense unbeatable advantage for the casino, even if it sounds so great at first. Imagine a slot with 104% RTP. All casinos would go broke just because of the 4% difference.

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Anonym

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 06:24 pm CET#26
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Falke wrote on 13.02.2021 at 17:50
Well I can tell you from my experience as a Croupier that this is not the thinking

The advantage is always there anyway, due to the bank advantage.

The problem of most players is that they completely misjudge the Bank advantage and estimate their own chances higher than they really are.

I notice that here in the forum quite often when 96% RTP is written. Many players simply do not even understand what that means.
They seriously think if they Deposit 100€ then they have to get 96€ back.

Also, I have often read here that players think that if they lose often that others win more often because of the RTP. And that simply can not be more wrong.

If 100 players each deposit 100, then it can be that all 100 players lose their complete deposit completely. But then there are not 10,000 in the Pot, but it can be that 100 players lose again without a win. 96%RTP is an immense unbeatable advantage for the casino, even if it sounds so great at first. Imagine a slot with 104% RTP. All casinos would go broke just because of the 4% difference.

Yes I know, a lot is possible in gambling...or is made possible...

But that still doesn't answer the question why the (online) player doesn't get to see the course of the ball from A-Z continuously.

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Anonym

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 06:59 pm CET#27
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As if the mafia would leave something to chance lol

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ShakhtarD
Amateur

Coincidence or not ?

13th Feb. 2021, at 08:29 pm CET#28
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Tribeholz wrote on 02/13/2021 at 17:19


What advantage would the casino have if manipulated???
Uhhm well..., e.g. more revenue and less expenses...to put it in easy terms

But why do you think they change the perspective after throwing the ball?

That would be the same if at a real Roulette table someone would briefly pull a curtain....

Did you read only the first sentence of my post? Or why do you not go into the reasoning of my argument or my question?

Perhaps a simplifying example:
Let's assume I bet a € on red, the casino manipulates the result or simulates any result - so the result shows black
But then there are still enough players who bet on black in this round -> the casino loses against these players. So, where is the concrete advantage for the casino now?

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