Coincidence or not ?

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Kleinkariert

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12th Feb. 2021, at 08:01 pm CET#9

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In the context of RTP it is random, otherwise in games with high win factors in the background internal jackpots will ensure that high wins are possible. I can't imagine it any other way with BTG Slots or DoA 2.

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12th Feb. 2021, at 08:11 pm CET#10

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Falke wrote on 12.02.2021 at 19:47
I've given this serious thought many times as well.

But if the casinos can control this completely, how does it happen again and again that some casinos do not want to pay out several thousands or even tens of thousands? They wouldn't have to put their reputation on the line if they could simply prevent anyone from winning that much.

I myself am often skeptical and am basically of the opinion that everything that is feasible is also done. And that you could influence that if you wanted to is indisputable.

But as I said, the above point does not fit into this picture at all.

The global RTP is not controlled by the casino at the push of a button.
Either by a random algorithm or on the basis of several parameters such as past deposits, playing time, previous payouts, etc.. But in no case manually by a casino employee. But that there is this global construct, where already with the Deposit is determined how much you can win in this session, regardless of the slot and regardless of the Provider, that seems plausible to me. You know, deposit, play up to 10x 20x the deposit and then all games dead. If you do not get the point of no return, it goes mercilessly down to 0.

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12th Feb. 2021, at 08:46 pm CET#11

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12th Feb. 2021, at 09:23 pm CET#12

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Begbie wrote on 12/02/2021 at 20:11
The global RTP is not controlled by the casino at the push of a button.
Either by a random algorithm or based on several parameters such as past deposits, game duration, previous payouts, etc. But in no case manually by a casino employee. But that there is this global construct, where already with the Deposit is determined how much you can win in this session, regardless of the slot and regardless of the Provider, that seems plausible to me. You know, deposit, play up to 10x 20x the deposit and then all games dead. If you do not catch the point of no return, it goes mercilessly down to 0

But what you just wrote completely contradicts what I wrote.

Please respond to my argument.

If there is a point of no return, how can a player win 20,000 for example?

You say, somehow, how exactly doesn't matter, but somehow you can set it so that a player only wins XY and then loses again. So he has no chance to get beyond a certain point.
And this theory is opposed by many players who have won too much so that some casinos come up with tricks so that he loses again. Why, if you can control it anyway?

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12th Feb. 2021, at 09:41 pm CET#13

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Falcon wrote on 12.02.2021 at 21:23
But what you just wrote completely contradicts what I wrote.

Please address my argument.

If there is a point of no return, how can a player win 20,000 for example?

You say, somehow, how exactly doesn't matter, but somehow you can set it so that a player only wins XY and then loses again. So he has no chance to get beyond a certain point.
And this theory is opposed by many players who have won too much so that some casinos come up with tricks so that he loses again. Why, if you can control it anyway?

Then the point of no return was not yet reached and the player could play himself so high
According to my thesis, such violent outliers upwards are not impossible. If just after the Deposit a 10000x possible win was generated in the session, such sums can also arise
But as I said, that's all just a theory that certainly has its weaknesses in detail.
If someone has a more plausible explanation for this phenomenon described above, always out with it

/And again: The casino can not adjust or control anything. The global RTP in a casino will also be subject to an algorithm, perhaps on a random basis, perhaps influenced by other parameters.

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Falko

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12th Feb. 2021, at 11:50 pm CET#14

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But could it also be possible that the casinos were now offered a lower RTP by the providers for players from Germany, because they earn a lot less in the country by the new restrictions? And if there should be this offer, then of course all access to it even the casino where there are still no restrictions. So it feels like that in any case, that the slots have been significantly throttled in terms of winning and that much less goes, you let quite often from other players here.

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13th Feb. 2021, at 01:43 am CET#15

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Falko wrote on 12.02.2021 at 23:50: But could it also be possible that the casinos now a lower RTP was offered by the providers for players from Germany, because they earn through the new restrictions by a lot less in the country? And if there should be this offer, then of course all access to it even the casino where there are still no restrictions. So it feels like that in any case, that the slots have been significantly throttled in terms of winning and that much less goes, you let quite often from other players here.

The RTP is displayed in the slot or is visible. There are currently more and more RTP to lower versions.

The theory that a slot has a global RTP on all casinos I do not share. I think that it has per casino a RTP and not as a whole. Play n Go for example has several servers. Evtl technically possible that it is global on all casinos of a group yet would be but almost impossible that it is global on all casinos.

Different RTP versions, game versions and licensing under which the game runs make such a thing difficult to do. And you would need an extremely good server for all players worldwide who play a slot. That can be done by one of the super computers and I doubt that there is one. There are millions of accesses per second for popular slots and with so many requests that have to be answered at once, it quickly becomes critical.

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Falke

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13th Feb. 2021, at 07:21 am CET#16

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Begbie wrote on 02/12/2021 at 9:41 pm

/e and again, the casino can't adjust or control anything. The global RTP in a casino will also be subject to an algorithm, maybe random, maybe influenced by other parameters.

Then we are back to normal gambling anyway.

What is a global RTP supposed to be?

The problem is that players completely misjudge their chances

A slot runs on a very simple principle
It's the same as when you and I flip a coin. Every time heads comes, you get 1€ from me.
Every time I get tails I get 1€ and 5 cents from you.
And now we do this once 10 million times. Well, do you agree?

I have been in the Live Casino business for a long time. And you wouldn't believe how paranoid the players are even there. The cards are shuffled in front of the players. Sometimes you even take off where the players demand it. So way down, or way up, or right in the middle.
And nevertheless, if the players had bad luck one hears quite often sentences such as, That does not give it nevertheless, there can not be something correct, that is surely cheating I would like to know how they make that.
How often players have come to me away from the game and wanted to know "in confidence" what "tricks" we use, or whether I could not deal them the good cards in the future
If the players then actually won shortly after, they sent me a wink milie, which means something like: Thank you, this will remain our little secret. And that even though I explained in detail beforehand that this is not within my sphere of influence. However, the player probably took that as a token statement.
Just as often it happened that the player, if he was unlucky, gave you a disappointed look and left the table with a bitter ironic "Thank you", as if I had given him bad cards on purpose. How could I, when "we" have "discussed" before that I should only deal good cards.

Some players have developed special tics. One of them, for example, drew a circle around each of his cards with his right index finger and then had to tap the cards again. If he didn't do that, he was out of luck, in his opinion. But since he was otherwise a pleasant player, we often teased him about it. When he lost a hand, we would say to him (ironically, of course) phrases like - you have to tap the card harder, or - we were watching closely, you didn't make the full circle

So, after there are very very many players who still believe that in live casinos is cheated and I can exclude that (at least in which I have worked and never heard of any other, except for a few very dubious clubs) to 100%, it is of course in Online Casinos even easier to assume that.

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13th Feb. 2021, at 12:12 pm CET#17

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Then explain how it can be that if it runs well, you can play any slot, there it just runs well. And vice versa. That this should be coincidence for each individual slot, unbelievable.

And that in the Live Casino can not be cheated well, just in Roulette there are umpteen videos that show the completely unnatural behavior of the ball.

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13th Feb. 2021, at 12:33 pm CET#18

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Falke wrote on 13.02.2021 at 07:21: I was in the Live Casino industry for a long time. And you wouldn't believe how paranoid the players are even there. The cards are shuffled in front of the players.

Evolution Gaming example:

Why do they always switch to a different camera perspective after the ball is thrown during live Roulette?
It is logical that fraud accusations arise with such a procedure.
Because you wouldn't even need to manipulate anything, but just fade in another scene with the desired number.

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